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Very nice Sjors; looks just 'jim dandy' cheers Pat
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Ships Pumps
BANYAN replied to bluenose2's topic in Discussion for a Ship's Deck Furniture, Guns, boats and other Fittings
Les, I recommend having another look at that diagram. Marquardt shows the overall pump and it is correct for an Elm Tree pump style. All pumps went all the way down to the bilges. What is shown below decks is the pump chamber/suction pipe (trunk). the bit above deck is the exposed bit seen on almost all drawing s of ship using this design. Sometimes they were on the upper/weather deck as for Endeavour, sometimes on the gun deck for multiple gun deck vessels, and sometimes a couple on one deck, and a couple on the other. What is different with Marquardt's depiction is the height of the trunk (raising pipe as he calls it) protruding above the deck. Whether the amount protruding that he shows is correct or not I cannot say, but the concept/style of pump is correct. Also note the scale of the drawing as the height would be a little more than perhaps perceived at first glance; but it is depicted as a shorter exposed trunk than normally seen for this style of pump. cheers Pat -
Thanks Per, just found this post of yours - a very handy link cheers Pat
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Nice job Dave; they look very good, and makes me wonder why I didn't consider yellow/ochre for the thwarts etc - looks good against the white. cheers Pat
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Great pictorial description of the process and jigs Michael. A masterclass in micro metal-smithing. cheers Pat
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Great progress with your guns Ulises. Will you be adding Quoins? cheers Pat
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If hidden, the framing size does not matter as long as it fits the required space save yourself some additional work unless it looks hideously over engineered cheers Pat
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Great example of restoration Michael; you would be hard pressed to notice any repairs in most places which maintains the integrity of the model itself. cheers Pat
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Hi Greg, I just added a little about salt to my last post - wires crossed in passing As COG said, don't overdo salt as it is a very poorly maintained ship that would have too much of it. The Japanese in modern times have some of the best maintained ship's I have seen, so that must be a cultural thing also and would have been evident in WWII also. But in prolonged periods of high-intensity operations, some issues would have developed, no matter how disciplined the ship's husbandry - a matter of priorities. A salt line on the waterline would indicate a ship alongside for a prolonged period with very little maintenance or water movement (current etc). The action of the sea on the hull would have prevented such encrustation. Have a look at the many photos of ships at sea (steel navy - waterline/hull etc) and notice there is no salt encrusted; sometimes a little wear and tear from bumps etc but that would be about it. cheers Pat
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Hi Greg, Chris has basically nailed it. Unless the ship was in an operational environment for a prolonged period, the upper decks were well maintained with a washdown as required. Noting in older ships, up to 1980s or so, fresh water was a real hassle and needed to be carefully managed (I well remember the 3 minute rule of the splash, lather, rinse and dash daily shower :)), so a wash down was done with sea water unless the salt had caked too much. Breakwaters etc would only rust if maintenance access was a problem or the area had been chipped due to shell casing chipping or other operational wear and tear, (prolonged periods in an operational environment where crews were closed up in two watches and manning their weapons, making maintenance a lower priority). So, if depicting a ship in an operational environment which had been at sea for awhile, then there would have been some minor upper deck rust runs etc from fittings, depending on how long at sea and in what Defence State the ship had been operating. But it would not have been too much as basic maintenance, such as wash downs would have been observed regularly, for crew safety, weapon and ship husbandry etc. As you have depicted significant rust etc on the sides, this I would assume would mean she has been at sa for a while, and some minor rust and streaks on upper deck fittings may have ensued, especially in unmanned areas (away from some weapons and ready access). Things such as capstans, boats, davits and cranes that were required for safety and weapons service would have been well maintained but painting/ship's husbandry may have been minimal. As to salt, minimal on the upper deck and superstructure areas ready to hand, unless immediately after some roughers, at which time a wash down would have been organised. Ship's are designed to shed water so accumulation of salt would have been in nooks and crannies only, and then would only have been a slight puddle of crystals, and a powdery effect on some screens - I would stay away from showing too much salt build up as it would have been a very poor XO and Bosun who let it build up to an extent that it would show, even in war time. Then again, on the Murmansk run In the tropics we would actively chase down passing showers etc when possible to provide nature's wash down cheers Pat
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Very nice John; a beautiful model. cheers Pat
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Great progress Sjors; and she is looking very good. Nice job of the rattlin! cheers Pat
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That's a very good finish Greg, just the right amount of shading and highlight to make out the the armour belt panels. From this angle at least, the shadow for the various downpipes etc are just right also. cheers Pat
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Looks good Carl, an impressive amount of PE detail which will give the model a very detailed finish. cheers Pat
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That looks great Dave, nice recovery job cheers Pat
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Thanks Dashi, how goes things? Long time no hear I hope you are finding time for your build also? cheers Pat
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Well folks I have found this online so I believe I can say which movie it will be part of http://if.com.au/2017/01/23/article/Shane-Jacobson-and-Magda-Szubanski-to-lead-cast-of-The-BBQ/HWBLGNPJXT.html and also this: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/entertainment/sydney-confidential/shane-jacobsons-latest-comedy-flick-the-bbq-a-labour-of-love-ill-never-say-no-to-a-sausage/news-story/4132a782c9de40c5559b8f97e5cc54af cheers Pat
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Nice production line Michael Your approach to all this is enlightening; I am following with great interest. cheers Pat
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