VTHokiEE Posted September 6, 2019 Share #331 Posted September 6, 2019 49 minutes ago, chris watton said: ...No one wants the Alert with the cheaper wood... Well darn, I was thinking about getting the version with the cheaper wood. I suppose I have to upgrade now 😉 Thanks for the update! chris watton, Canute and mtaylor 3 Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted September 6, 2019 Author Share #332 Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, VTHokiEE said: Well darn, I was thinking about getting the version with the cheaper wood. I suppose I have to upgrade now 😉 Thanks for the update! To be honest, for me at least there is nothing wrong with the Tanganyika, I wouldn't have chosen it if I didn't like it (I do know that some suppliers offerings of this wood is shockingly bad quality). Bellona, Alert and Speedy prototypes were all done using this wood, as I think the warm tone of the hull looks great. It is also a lot more pliable than pear, so perhaps easier to use than the more expensive main option. Having said that, the pear also looks great, and does have a much tighter grain. Edited September 6, 2019 by chris watton Jörgen, ErnieL, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTHokiEE Posted September 6, 2019 Share #333 Posted September 6, 2019 At this stage I probably need all the pliability that I can get so I’ll stick with the Tanganyika for this kit and leave the nicer woods for the following one. Thanks for having options like this! chris watton, Edwardkenway, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vane Posted September 7, 2019 Share #334 Posted September 7, 2019 Thanks for the update Chris. Yes, its fully understandable that you want to start small and gradually increase. Vanguard models is definitely one of the more interesting model companies these days when many dont do any product development at all. So keep up the good work and we definitely appreciate your updates. Next kit i order will of Course be one of yours. Canute, chris watton and mtaylor 3 Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortgrass Posted September 11, 2019 Share #335 Posted September 11, 2019 Chris - am pretty sure the next kit I order will be from you - either the Alert or whatever comes next. Canute, mtaylor and chris watton 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Greig Posted September 12, 2019 Share #336 Posted September 12, 2019 yes, I agree, my vote (and Visa) is definitely with Chris & Vanguard Models. chris watton, mtaylor and Canute 3 Completed builds; Caldercraft Mars; Vanguard Alert, Amati Revenge On the shelf; Vanguard DOK & the Sphinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted September 12, 2019 Author Share #337 Posted September 12, 2019 Thanks guys, your kind words are very much appreciated. I should have the Speedy prototype model fully complete by the end of the weekend. I do have another Speedy hull, with pear planking done, perhaps I will do another as Flirt in the future, with white hull below waterline and earlier rigging layout. I quite like frigates, and plan a 32 (Amazon), 38 (Saucy Arethusa) and 44 gun (Indie) after Bristol. Rustyj, ErnieL, Ryland Craze and 5 others 8 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted September 12, 2019 Share #338 Posted September 12, 2019 (edited) Chris what woods are you doing the first release of Speedy in? ( I'm waiting patiently for Speedy) Cheers Scratch this question as I've realised you posted earlier with Pear, cherry and tanganyika. Edited September 12, 2019 by Edwardkenway mtaylor and Canute 2 Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted September 12, 2019 Author Share #339 Posted September 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Edwardkenway said: Chris what woods are you doing the first release of Speedy in? ( I'm waiting patiently for Speedy) Cheers A choice of Pear, Cherry or Tanganyika. I may add boxwood, but this would be a very expensive option. Just finished clews and sheets (apart from lower yards, which is done last), now have to get ready for work, dammit... mtaylor, Canute and Edwardkenway 3 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted September 12, 2019 Share #340 Posted September 12, 2019 5 hours ago, chris watton said: Thanks guys, your kind words are very much appreciated. I should have the Speedy prototype model fully complete by the end of the weekend. I do have another Speedy hull, with pear planking done, perhaps I will do another as Flirt in the future, with white hull below waterline and earlier rigging layout. I quite like frigates, and plan a 32 (Amazon), 38 (Saucy Arethusa) and 44 gun (Indie) after Bristol. The frigates would be cool. Canute, VTHokiEE, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted September 14, 2019 Author Share #341 Posted September 14, 2019 OK, I finished the Speedy prototype model half an hour ago, and have taken some quick pics. Now I have a lot of PC based work to do, box artwork, plans, instructions and parts list. I had the Alert stern patterns re-designed and re-cut, a pic of one set is included here, these will be included in all new kits. Rustyj, CiscoH, MEDDO and 35 others 38 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vane Posted September 14, 2019 Share #342 Posted September 14, 2019 OMG... definitely my next buy! BenD, Canute, chris watton and 2 others 5 Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted September 14, 2019 Share #343 Posted September 14, 2019 That is a must have kit for me!! Still waiting patiently but definitely getting itchy fingers now. She looks amazing😜 mtaylor, BenD, chris watton and 1 other 4 Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK VIKING Posted September 14, 2019 Share #344 Posted September 14, 2019 Wow sign me up for this one, stunning Martyn Canute and chris watton 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTHokiEE Posted September 14, 2019 Share #345 Posted September 14, 2019 That is one beautiful ship! Great work! chris watton, mtaylor and Canute 3 Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted September 14, 2019 Author Share #346 Posted September 14, 2019 Thanks guys! Everything you see on the model will all be included in the kit (including the cast resin Cochrane figure). I do like the lines of this, much more graceful and nicer curves compared to the later versions. The 1770's and early 1780's seem to be the perfect sweet spot for these vessels (of all types) for curves and decoration. That dolphin striker is photo etched brass, by the way, as I know all too well how easy they are broken when laser cut in wood, even ply ErnieL and mtaylor 2 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTHokiEE Posted September 14, 2019 Share #347 Posted September 14, 2019 Not certain if this is the right place to ask, but how does the redesign to the Alert stern pattern effect the construction? mtaylor and Canute 2 Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted September 14, 2019 Author Share #348 Posted September 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, VTHokiEE said: Not certain if this is the right place to ask, but how does the redesign to the Alert stern pattern effect the construction? It just makes it a little easier if all bulkheads are already glued in place, and the material is correct so stronger. That is all. The shape are exactly the same apart from the forward most slot, but they fit in exactly the same places. ErnieL, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted September 21, 2019 Author Share #349 Posted September 21, 2019 Today I took the Speedy box art shots and then put the box art together, does this look OK? Just have the manual and plans to put together now, all laser and PE have been sent for cutting/etching. VonHoldinghausen, Edwardkenway, Murphy and 35 others 38 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASAT Posted September 21, 2019 Share #350 Posted September 21, 2019 (edited) Looks awesome Chris, the royal blue and gold is very “RN looking” and I think the pictures inspire the promise of a beautiful outcome.... very posh..... is that still a word? 😎 Edited September 21, 2019 by ASAT Lou, In Pleasant View Harvey by ASAT- AL Scale 1:50 - Kitbash Fair American by ASAT - LSS Craftsman Plus https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23121-revenge-1577-by-asat-amati-164/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Greig Posted September 21, 2019 Share #351 Posted September 21, 2019 Looks fantastic. Very, very professional. chris watton, Canute and mtaylor 3 Completed builds; Caldercraft Mars; Vanguard Alert, Amati Revenge On the shelf; Vanguard DOK & the Sphinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffT Posted September 22, 2019 Share #352 Posted September 22, 2019 yes, looks great mtaylor, Canute and chris watton 3 Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Rogers Posted September 22, 2019 Share #353 Posted September 22, 2019 Sweet. mtaylor, hollowneck, chris watton and 1 other 4 Regards, Jim Rogers Damn the Torpedoes , Full speed ahead. Adm David Farragut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vane Posted September 22, 2019 Share #354 Posted September 22, 2019 Looking really great! Do you have any info on possible price and release date? chris watton and Canute 2 Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted September 22, 2019 Author Share #355 Posted September 22, 2019 Thanks, guys, and for the likes. There are eleven separate laser cut sheets in various thickness's and six separate PE brass and copper sheets. I did mean for this to be a quick development, but as usual it didn't turn out to be so, as I knew such a vessel deserved more attention. I haven't compromised very much with this kit, and is as I would like it if I were to buy it. However, lack of compromise always equates to a higher price, but if the Alert sales have taught me anything, it's that people prefer quality materials over standard. This weekend I managed to write the complete parts list, take the main box art photos and then put the box art together. I have the manual and plan sheets to do next, but all pics and line drawings are already done, so I just need to make up the manual and add the text (which takes longer than it sounds, as it is just me doing everything....) There is only one metal casting in this kit (anchors), as I hate white metal. The 14 x 4-Pounder barrels are cast in resin (so perfect shape and scale), as are the 20 half-Pounder swivel guns. Having these done in resin is a lot more expensive than white metal, but I feel a lot better knowing the quality is perfect, and I do not think people will mind paying a little more for such fittings that require no finishing aside from perhaps scraping the smallest amount of easily removable flash. The guys that do the resin castings for me are experts in resin and injection moulding kits and well established, so quality is never an issue on that front. I think I already mentioned this, but I did add at the last minute an extra cradle on the 3mm MDF laser sheet, for use whilst building the model, leaving the clear acetate nice and clean for the finished model. I already have the Speedy resin castings done and here with me, plus the laser engraved decks. The final laser cut and PE have been given to my colleague in Italy to be done, and the pear wood strip ordered and on its way. For future gun resin castings, they will be cast in black - I didn't realise at the time that this was an option, dammit! I am aiming for a late October (possibly November if I have problems with getting final parts in time or finishing plans/manual take longer than I thought) for release. I cannot give a final price yet, as I still need to know the cost of the PE and laser cutting, but I am aiming for the following (all versions relate to secondary planking materials): Tanganyika version - £220 (as shown on prototype model) Pear or cherry - £245 Boxwood (limited to 15 kits) - £280 All versions will include the copper plating, Cochrane figure and 18 foot cutter. Canute, VTHokiEE, ErnieL and 20 others 23 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Greig Posted September 22, 2019 Share #356 Posted September 22, 2019 Wow, great update, this really looks a wonderful build and sets a very high standard for model ship kit manufactures. Canute, hollowneck, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Completed builds; Caldercraft Mars; Vanguard Alert, Amati Revenge On the shelf; Vanguard DOK & the Sphinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted September 22, 2019 Share #357 Posted September 22, 2019 Well done Chris, looks fantastic, i will nominated you for an award on the new years honours , for saving the British model producer award Jim Rogers, Canute, Edwardkenway and 8 others 11 Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Posted September 22, 2019 Share #358 Posted September 22, 2019 Sounds great cant wait for her to come out chris watton and mtaylor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vane Posted September 23, 2019 Share #359 Posted September 23, 2019 Great update, looking forward to place an order! mtaylor, chris watton and Canute 3 Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted September 23, 2019 Share #360 Posted September 23, 2019 You can put me down for one Chris. I don't have any preference on wood type so long as I can get a Speedy. 😃👍 Canute, mtaylor, chris watton and 1 other 4 Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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