Suzdal Posted July 24, 2020 Share #871 Posted July 24, 2020 Chris There is an ancient Egyptian boat in very good condition in a museum at the base of the pyramids. It's a bit earlier the the middle kingdom under Hatshepsut's , by about 1000 years. It date from the period of the pyramids. Richard Canute, chris watton and mtaylor 3 Richard Current build : Victory cross section / DeAgostini, Lady Eleanor / Vanguard Models Other builds : N scale computer controlled model railroad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErnieL Posted July 25, 2020 Share #872 Posted July 25, 2020 On 7/22/2020 at 4:03 AM, chris watton said: Cheers again, very helpful posts. I shall probably go with a 20 gun and work up, as this make most sense. I have to be honest and say I have never bothered to see what other companies are doing, I have never cared one jot, as I have always preferred to do what I think is right/what I like, rather than reacting to what others are doing. Having said that, Initially, Atalanta was on the cards, as I bought the plans for that - but I now realise the everyone and their mother are now doing a Swan class, so I feel a 20 gun small frigate from the same period is a very good substitute. Out of all the kits I have designed in the past, there are only two I would very much like to revisit and give them the treatment/designs they so deserve, a brig and a small ship of the line, which I did two decades ago. Lou, I keep looking at my Bristol designs, and may carry on with them, but knowing what I know now, I need more slightly smaller kits before purchasing the large amount of materials needed for such a large kit. When I started Bristol, the plan was to use standard materials (basswood), and use my Italian sub contractor to laser cut the parts - but this has changed as I realised quickly that the standards/quality of cutting were not what I had envisaged. The upside to this is that it forced me to purchase my own laser machine, and a lot more freedom to design how I like without worrying about the costs of paying someone for the time, and wondering if all the parts I paid for will fit as I want them to. One more thing I would like to add, not a single part of my new kits are an 'afterthought', I try to give each and every part the attention they need, so that they fit with the 'whole' I most certainly agree there. If only for totally selfish reasons. Chris, my skillset improves slowly and can and does improve as our product line grows. You know Jim beat me over the head for the best part of a year, and now that I’m in, I’m hooked for life. I love the idea of a 26, a 36, and 44, in succession. Possibly after that, maybe a 50 gun 4th Rate? Before tackling the 64s... That being said, I’d love a 1/64 scale revisit of the classic Royal Navy 74. Bellerophon beckons in the scale you’ve chosen that everyone loves. And maybe even a heavy American frigate? Although I’ll buy your 1/64 Victory design, I doubt I’ll ever build her, and even if I do, it’s years down the road. The one thing I absolutely love about the Vanguard kits is how, for a newbie like me, are almost idiot proof. Not that craftsmanship is left at the door of course, but because you make it mighty hard to misread an ambiguous booklet or line drawing. I’m in for every one of your future releases! Keep ‘em coming, please! DelF, Portsoy, mtaylor and 5 others 8 On the bench: Vanguard Models 1/64 HMS Speedy On Deck: Vanguard Models 1/64 Zulu, Vanguard Models 1/64 Fifie, Victory Models 1/72 HMS Bellerophon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErnieL Posted July 25, 2020 Share #873 Posted July 25, 2020 On 7/23/2020 at 4:35 PM, chris watton said: It is hard to work out the times involved, because I do this from home, so am always thinking about the designs and tweaking. Sometimes at 2 or 3 in the morning when I think of a solution to a problem that's been bugging me all day! I think perhaps one full week for the very small kits, with a lot more hours tweaking aspects of the initial designs. The more complex the design the longer it takes, but to the modeller, they wouldn't know as most of the hard parts are 'ironed out' before ever being kitted - although there's always something that slips through, no matter how much time I spend checking stuff... I would very much like to do an ancient vessel one day, I think perhaps one of Hatshepsut's vessels, complete with a scale figure of her would be pretty cool... Perhaps a 1/64 Sperm Whale? Jonah’s ride of choice. mtaylor, chris watton, hollowneck and 1 other 4 On the bench: Vanguard Models 1/64 HMS Speedy On Deck: Vanguard Models 1/64 Zulu, Vanguard Models 1/64 Fifie, Victory Models 1/72 HMS Bellerophon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted July 25, 2020 Share #874 Posted July 25, 2020 I don't think Jonah had much choice! But we digress. Canute, mtaylor, chris watton and 2 others 5 Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share #875 Posted July 25, 2020 9 hours ago, ErnieL said: I most certainly agree there. If only for totally selfish reasons. Chris, my skillset improves slowly and can and does improve as our product line grows. You know Jim beat me over the head for the best part of a year, and now that I’m in, I’m hooked for life. I love the idea of a 26, a 36, and 44, in succession. Possibly after that, maybe a 50 gun 4th Rate? Before tackling the 64s... That being said, I’d love a 1/64 scale revisit of the classic Royal Navy 74. Bellerophon beckons in the scale you’ve chosen that everyone loves. And maybe even a heavy American frigate? Although I’ll buy your 1/64 Victory design, I doubt I’ll ever build her, and even if I do, it’s years down the road. The one thing I absolutely love about the Vanguard kits is how, for a newbie like me, are almost idiot proof. Not that craftsmanship is left at the door of course, but because you make it mighty hard to misread an ambiguous booklet or line drawing. I’m in for every one of your future releases! Keep ‘em coming, please! Thank you, Ernie! I think my love of frigates will be well reflected in future developments. If all goes well, this will be my 'Flagship' model, as I have no desire to ever revisit Victory.... catopower, marktiedens, JeffT and 11 others 14 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted July 25, 2020 Share #876 Posted July 25, 2020 Royal George? catopower, mtaylor and Canute 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share #877 Posted July 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, Morgan said: Royal George? Yes. Carving masters will cost a small fortune to get made, so it's a while off yet... AJClark, BenD, Ryland Craze and 15 others 18 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted July 25, 2020 Share #878 Posted July 25, 2020 From the plans it was either Royal George or Britannia. Royal George is a good shout for research, plenty of contemporary drawings, paintings and models. When you say it’s a while off we probably have to allow for Chris Watton development timescales with 6 models out in 2 years you run at a different pace to your competitors! Gary Ryland Craze, Ronald-V, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted July 25, 2020 Share #879 Posted July 25, 2020 lol im ready to order the Royal George NOW Canute, chris watton, Gord-Canada and 3 others 6 Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted July 25, 2020 Share #880 Posted July 25, 2020 Let’s see......my name is Sjors. Translated in English...........George!! I’m royal ( in my dreams) so......i think i need to build this beauty.... Dilemma....Royal George or Victory....l i think Royal George won 😆 Take your time to develop her. I’m retired in 2 years and 9 months.....no pressure. Sjors ( Royal George ) 😊⛵️ Canute, egkb, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonV Posted July 25, 2020 Share #881 Posted July 25, 2020 Royal George ... Can I already pay an advance 🙂. This one is defenitely on my shopping list (price does not matter). Ronald-V, Canute, chris watton and 2 others 5 Simon Current build: Royal Yacht, Duchess of Kingston by Vanguard Models Mercury by Victory Models - scale 1:64 - (99% scratchbuild) - on hold Finished: Bluenose by Amati - scale 1:100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted July 25, 2020 Share #882 Posted July 25, 2020 Nice, but after Vanguard too big for me. Fortunately I think we’ll see Sphinx first. I can call it Royal Glenn. Canute, Murphy, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted July 25, 2020 Share #883 Posted July 25, 2020 At 1:64 definitely too big for both my bench and my house. (probably also too big for my bankaccount ) But a wonderfull model it will make... I'm still hoping for someone going into the McNarry/Philip Reed sized kits . I'm not a good enough builder (and have far too litte machinery) to go into that direction by myself, but that size would fit both bench and house.... (not sure about the bankaccount, though: Chris already explained to me a long time ago that smaller models do not come at a substantially lower price) Jan mtaylor, Canute and chris watton 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted July 25, 2020 Share #884 Posted July 25, 2020 I love these big ships. I have already done the Royal William,so this would be a nice addition! Mark chris watton, Canute and mtaylor 3 current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share #885 Posted July 25, 2020 Cheers! At the moment, a big three decker is way off. When I start this, I would need to be in a position to be doing this full time plus have a lot of extra cash to cover development costs. But working up to Royal George is my aim and it is the flagship of the range I have settled on. I did think about Caledonia at one point (even San Josef), but that would be too much of a monster, and flatter lines than the mid 18th Century First Rates. Although I did laugh to myself envisioning my wife's face when seeing the hull grow on the dining room table.. marktiedens, BobG, st george and 9 others 12 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErnieL Posted July 25, 2020 Share #886 Posted July 25, 2020 Haha. I can hear my wife now......DEFCON 1 Mushroom Cloud Rustyj, chris watton, marktiedens and 2 others 5 On the bench: Vanguard Models 1/64 HMS Speedy On Deck: Vanguard Models 1/64 Zulu, Vanguard Models 1/64 Fifie, Victory Models 1/72 HMS Bellerophon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Greig Posted July 26, 2020 Share #887 Posted July 26, 2020 It maybe that Chris's Amati Victory design and Chris's Vanguard's Royal George are heading toward a two or three year release date. That would be a great head to head battle. I suspect not to many folk could buy or build both??? Chris is an expert now, he'll be a super expert in a few years time. I think the Royal George is a fantastic flagship and a build to aspire to. Malcolm chris watton, Canute, VTHokiEE and 3 others 6 Completed builds; Caldercraft Mars; Vanguard Alert, Amati Revenge On the shelf; Vanguard DOK & the Sphinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenD Posted July 26, 2020 Share #888 Posted July 26, 2020 The cost of making Royal George kits would be immense. 100 turned brass or resin Guns. boxwood planking for master version. Half a pallet of mdf only makes like 8 kits. Madness... I guess we should start saving chris watton, Canute, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Ropes of Scale.com - Rope and cable for the scale modeler. Finished builds: HM Cutter Sherbourne - Caldercraft - 1:64 - 9th century longship - Falkonet - 1:72 Current builds: HMS Snake - Caldercraft - 1:64 - Tender Avos by BenD - Master Korabel - 1:72 - 19th Century Four-Oared Yawl by BenD - Falkonet - 1:24 scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErnieL Posted July 26, 2020 Share #889 Posted July 26, 2020 2 hours ago, BenD said: The cost of making Royal George kits would be immense. 100 turned brass or resin Guns. boxwood planking for master version. Half a pallet of mdf only makes like 8 kits. Madness... I guess we should start saving And supporting him by buying everything he produces. marktiedens, Canute, BenD and 6 others 9 On the bench: Vanguard Models 1/64 HMS Speedy On Deck: Vanguard Models 1/64 Zulu, Vanguard Models 1/64 Fifie, Victory Models 1/72 HMS Bellerophon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted July 26, 2020 Share #890 Posted July 26, 2020 it is about time we had new lads on the block supporting the hobby we enjoy, I hope the big company's will very soon take note and wonder why they have catalogues of kits that are, frankly outdated, we buy them as there is nothing else, i dont think euromodels como, Caldercraft, and others have done anything new in quite a while chris watton, hollowneck, BenD and 3 others 6 Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wahka_est Posted July 26, 2020 Share #891 Posted July 26, 2020 To support these kinds of developments maybe support system like Kickstarter would be wise to use. Smaller contributions get name in the booklets, biger get the kit etc. Just an idea. But lets not push Chris Gord-Canada, mtaylor, chris watton and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted July 26, 2020 Author Share #892 Posted July 26, 2020 Thanks for all the great comments! I do know that a healthy number of kits in a new range is around 12, and if and when I reach this number, I will be very happy. At the moment, I have another 11 definite kits in my 'Future Kit Developments' folder, all complete with bought and paid for plan sets for each (including Royal George). I am thinking for the larger kits, two versions may be the best way to go, due to material costs. Standard versions would have Tanganyika planking (I must stress I have very high quality tang, not the crap we usually get) and basswood or walnut wood laser cut parts, and 'Premium' versions will have the pear planking and laser cut parts - and perhaps boxwood 'Master Shipwright' versions made strictly to order. But this is a while away. Right now, Flirt release is imminent (I am very happy with this kit), all printed materials, manual, plans and box labels, arrive tomorrow (was promised last Thursday, but due to a lot of people still furloughed, they took longer than their quoted time), and I am promised the new size shipping sleeves next week, too. I am currently having a full suite of 64th scale cannon barrels 3-d printed and then cast in black resin (100 of each initially) of 9, 12 (2 sizes), 18, 24 and 32 pounders. These should cover all future kits (except for carronades). Right now, I am working on the royal yacht, line drawings for profiles and mast and rigging plans - these do take a while to do, but need to do them before making the masts, yards and adding the rigging to the prototype. And that's where I am up to.. Oh, one more thing. I can get flags produced, but this is an area I know little about. If someone could give me sizes and correct colours for the era (1750-1815), I could also offer these... Bobbuild, DelF, Canute and 9 others 12 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted July 26, 2020 Share #893 Posted July 26, 2020 https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb-enshs.html chris watton, Canute and mtaylor 3 Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbuild Posted July 26, 2020 Share #894 Posted July 26, 2020 http://www.schiffsmodellflaggen.de/english/Catalog/2._England.pdf http://www.schiffsmodellflaggen.de/english/Catalog/catalog.html Canute and mtaylor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted July 28, 2020 Share #895 Posted July 28, 2020 I was (again) looking at your last development. Wondering: what paint does he use, and how is the guilding done? It is not flashy gold-leaf, but is also not just yellow ochre-paint. Jan mtaylor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share #896 Posted July 28, 2020 Cheers for the links OK, All Flirt stuff is now with me, plans, manuals, box labels and shipping sleeves, so all Flirts will be shipped over the next couple of days, It is no longer pre-order, as they are now in stock. I have another large pear block and deadeye order arriving from Master-Korabel very soon, so pear block sets will be an option for standard Flirts soon (also Speedy and Alert) mtaylor 1 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share #897 Posted July 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, amateur said: I was (again) looking at your last development. Wondering: what paint does he use, and how is the guilding done? It is not flashy gold-leaf, but is also not just yellow ochre-paint. Jan It is Vallejo Liquid Gold. I do like the Vallejo paints, as they dry very quickly. I spray the PE and resin decoration in white primer first, and then brush painted the Vallejo gold onto the parts. Ryland Craze, amateur, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share #898 Posted July 28, 2020 All UPS shipping for pre-order Flirts done. According to UPS, all US customers should receive by end of day Thursday, and for the UK, tomorrow. glbarlow, Nirvana, Ryland Craze and 6 others 9 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vane Posted July 28, 2020 Share #899 Posted July 28, 2020 Flags would be nice to get as extras. Its difficult do sails that looks nice on ships but if you get some various 1/64 flags for the Royal navy i would likely order them. Nirvana, Bobbuild, glbarlow and 5 others 8 Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted July 28, 2020 Share #900 Posted July 28, 2020 Yay, Flirt is on the way mtaylor, chris watton, Gord-Canada and 1 other 4 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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