Jeff5115 Posted June 15, 2020 Share #1 Posted June 15, 2020 After deciding to try out this hobby I made my first mistake. I selected a ship that had poor instructions and did not have a single build log on this site. I have put that model on the shelf for now and decided to look for a model more fitting to be built by a newcomer. After seeing and reading the build logs by James H and BE I was very interested in building the Lady Eleanor for my first ship build. The Vanguard model site had the complete manual for this kit available for reading. That convinced me that between the other build logs and the very complete instructions that this was a good kit for a total newbies first build. The model is extremely well built and the directions take a beginner thru the steps assuming you know very little about ship building and terminology. I really appreciate the instruction detail and there are plenty of photos to help visually with the build. The initial building of the bulkheads on to the false keel was very easy. The bulkheads fit snugly into the keel and required no squaring. Here is the ship assembled with the bulkhead and sub structure put together. pythagoras, VTHokiEE, BobG and 9 others 12 Quote Current Build 18th Century Armed Longboat-Model Shipways Completed Build Lady Eleanor-Vanguard Models King of the Mississippi-Artesania Latina Future Build Vanguard Models- Alert Jeff Farber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff5115 Posted June 15, 2020 Author Share #2 Posted June 15, 2020 The bulkheads and some of the infill parts had engraved lines on them. These parts were beveled prior to gluing on the hull. You can see in the pictures the beveling helped as a starting point to begin fairing the bulkheads. You can also see the false deck has been glued down at this point. The deck fit into a recess on each of the bulkheads so it was perfectly aligned. This step was a little nerve racking as the deck had to be nudged into position and I was concerned about it cracking. Once I had it in place and dry fitted I was not going to remove the deck as it takes a little work to get into place. Diver, chris watton, VTHokiEE and 7 others 10 Quote Current Build 18th Century Armed Longboat-Model Shipways Completed Build Lady Eleanor-Vanguard Models King of the Mississippi-Artesania Latina Future Build Vanguard Models- Alert Jeff Farber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted June 15, 2020 Share #3 Posted June 15, 2020 I'm so pleased you found the instructions easy to understand, and from what I can see, they work well! Lovely work so far, and I can't wait to see another Fifie in my regular updates here. BobG and chris watton 2 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff5115 Posted June 15, 2020 Author Share #4 Posted June 15, 2020 After fairing the bulkheads the it was on to gluing on the bulwarks. After gluing on the first side of the bulwarks I noticed some small indentations from the clamp pressure. This was resoved on the other side by using some scrap wood under the clamps. James H, JeffT, GrandpaPhil and 8 others 11 Quote Current Build 18th Century Armed Longboat-Model Shipways Completed Build Lady Eleanor-Vanguard Models King of the Mississippi-Artesania Latina Future Build Vanguard Models- Alert Jeff Farber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff5115 Posted June 15, 2020 Author Share #5 Posted June 15, 2020 Next up was the start of the first layer of planking. This was the point as a newbie I was dreading. Just hoping I could muddle thru this step without ruining the model. While the planking may not be great I was able to complete the first layer. James H, VTHokiEE, yvesvidal and 12 others 15 Quote Current Build 18th Century Armed Longboat-Model Shipways Completed Build Lady Eleanor-Vanguard Models King of the Mississippi-Artesania Latina Future Build Vanguard Models- Alert Jeff Farber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted June 15, 2020 Share #6 Posted June 15, 2020 'Not great'? That's certainly better than some of my attempts! It's only a base for the second layer anyway, and as long as you sand it nice and smooth, you'll have zero problems with what I can see. chris watton, coalman and catopower 3 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted June 16, 2020 Share #7 Posted June 16, 2020 You are off to a great start. I think that will turn into a great looking model. Keep it up. catopower, BobG and coalman 3 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted June 16, 2020 Share #8 Posted June 16, 2020 Well done so far, Jeff! You chose a great model to build and saved yourself a lot of confusion and frustration by starting with a model that has instructions that are as good as they come. The best piece of advice that was given to me when I was starting out was to slow down, take my time and enjoy the building process. To that I'll add, read ahead a few steps in the instructions so you can better see where your current step is taking you and refer often to your plans for measurements and further understanding of what you are doing. I look forward to seeing following your progress. EricWilliamMarshall, Ryland Craze, catopower and 1 other 4 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted June 16, 2020 Share #9 Posted June 16, 2020 I always look at the end of the section I'm working on, if I know what it's supposed to look like when its done its easier following the instructions to get me there. As others noted the first planking serves only as a base for the second. Be comfortable sanding the heck out of it and using wood filler as necessary. The smoother that base becomes the easier and better looking is the the 2nd planking. Think through any tapering you might need to do on the 2nd planking, better yet look at BE's and James builds, they've done one or two so steal, I mean learn whatever you can from their build on the second planking - even if its not in the words you'll see things in the photos. Believe me I'm doing that with my first scratch build in Cheerful - I have 4 particular build logs I look at, only at the post and pages that are at and just after the step I'm on. That's the best thing about this forum, you're not alone. Stealing, I mean adopting the best practices of others is how we all get better. If all else fails leave the area a few up from the keel and below the curve of the side until last. If you have to fill it in, fill it in a place where you can't see it when it's sitting on the shelf. Don't tell anybody I told you that, the perfectionists just fell off their chairs. Me I never make a mistake, that I can't hide. I'm a big fan of @chris watton and Vanguard Models, I'm first in line (at least in my mind) for his shipwright version of HMS Flirt and already have HMS Speedy. I believe you chose wisely, not only because of the superb instructions but because Chris is a world class designer. AND he's on this forum so you can always ask the guy who designed or his ace master builder @James H any question. Here's my modeling maxim: It won't all go perfect, mistakes are a part of the process. The best fun is to Adapt, Improvise, Overcome. Clint Eastwood borrowed that quote from me, no wait - I stole it from him. Have fun, power through any frustrating moments, get to the other side and enjoy your work. That's my whole list of platitudes for the day, I'm all out now. catopower, Richard44, BobG and 5 others 8 Quote Regards, Glenn Current Build: HMS Winchelsea Completed Builds: HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryland Craze Posted June 16, 2020 Share #10 Posted June 16, 2020 I agree with the above comments. You have picked a good model for your first build and you will find a lot of support here on Model Ship World. I look forward to following your build. BobG, VTHokiEE and coalman 3 Quote Ryland Member - Hampton Roads Ship Model Society - Ship Model Society of New Jersey - Nautical Research Guild Current Build - Armed Virginia Sloop, 18th Century Longboat Completed Build - Medway Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turangi Posted June 17, 2020 Share #11 Posted June 17, 2020 The model looks good so far! I am a relative newcomer to the hobby and this forum is a tremendous resource. Reading the build logs and other postings have really helped me. Don't hesitate to ask any questions, I have found the members here very willing to help and encouraging without exception! I lok forward to following your progress. coalman and BobG 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolin Posted June 17, 2020 Share #12 Posted June 17, 2020 I recently received a delivery from Vanguard models containing Lady Eleanor and some blocks. I will follow your build with interest until I have freed up space at the shipyard to start building her. Ryland Craze, coalman and BobG 3 Quote Current builds Meta - Billing Boats - Pentikontoros - Navarino Completed builds Swampscott Dory - BlueJacket - Will Everard - Billing Boats - Bohuseka (Swedish west-coast rowboat) - scratch build - Medieval long-ship Helga Holm - scratch build - Sloop from Roslagen - scratch build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted June 17, 2020 Share #13 Posted June 17, 2020 19 hours ago, glbarlow said: Don't tell anybody I told you that, the perfectionists just fell off their chairs. Me I never make a mistake, that I can't hide. 🤣 That's funny. Glenn, and a great post with lots of good advice to boot! Ryland Craze, coalman and glbarlow 3 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turangi Posted June 17, 2020 Share #14 Posted June 17, 2020 Remember, seeking perfection can be the enemy of good! yvesvidal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff5115 Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share #15 Posted July 3, 2020 The second planking started out quite well. I was able to get 7 planks on without tapering any planks. I was able to complete the planking but did need to add a stealer plank on both the starboard and port sides. I am not sure if this is an acceptable technique to use on the second planking. VTHokiEE, coxswain, Rik Thistle and 9 others 12 Quote Current Build 18th Century Armed Longboat-Model Shipways Completed Build Lady Eleanor-Vanguard Models King of the Mississippi-Artesania Latina Future Build Vanguard Models- Alert Jeff Farber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted July 3, 2020 Share #16 Posted July 3, 2020 Dang, your second planking is better than mine was! What a great job you've made. Sand her nice and smooth and make sure you at least fill in any slight gaps below the waterline area (if any). BobG 1 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTHokiEE Posted July 3, 2020 Share #17 Posted July 3, 2020 Nice job on that planking! You’re doing really well on so far (and tapering planks isn’t necessarily a bad thing 😉). As far as I know stealers are fine (I have a few in my second planking). BobG 1 Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted July 3, 2020 Share #18 Posted July 3, 2020 Excellent work especially for your first build! coalman 1 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff5115 Posted July 5, 2020 Author Share #19 Posted July 5, 2020 I sanded the hull and then glued on the rubbing strakes. Unfortunately, I snapped one of the strakes in half and beyond repair. Because of the mistake I only have one lower rubbing strake instead of the two. Ordered some 1 x 1 stock and if it is a good match I will use it. The other option is to paint the top of the hull in black. I tried to use the Amati waterline tool but the line went way too high in the center of the hull. I saw that BE had the same problem in his build log. On to plan B. I made a copy of the plans showing the waterline and cut them out to use as a template. The hull was taped off with frog tape and painted with Vallejo red paint. BobG, James H, GrandpaPhil and 9 others 12 Quote Current Build 18th Century Armed Longboat-Model Shipways Completed Build Lady Eleanor-Vanguard Models King of the Mississippi-Artesania Latina Future Build Vanguard Models- Alert Jeff Farber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted July 5, 2020 Share #20 Posted July 5, 2020 It is quite surprising just how high that waterline does go, but it's correct. There's very little space between it and the strakes.....enough for the white boot and some bare wood above it. Nice to see this coming along! BobG and chris watton 2 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff5115 Posted July 5, 2020 Author Share #21 Posted July 5, 2020 Thanks James. I have gone back and used the Amati waterline marker to draw new lines. They now look much closer to your picture. It is actually good to new that I was using the waterline marker correctly. This model has been a great learning experience and loads of fun to build. Hopefully my ship modeling skills are improving and can carry over to future builds. I am absolutely hooked on this hobby. BobG, VTHokiEE, chris watton and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build 18th Century Armed Longboat-Model Shipways Completed Build Lady Eleanor-Vanguard Models King of the Mississippi-Artesania Latina Future Build Vanguard Models- Alert Jeff Farber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff5115 Posted July 7, 2020 Author Share #22 Posted July 7, 2020 With the waterline re-drawn the hull was painted again and it does look better. Next I will paint the boot top. However, I have to decide what to do with the top of the hull. Since I only have the one lower rubbing strake. I purchased some 1 x 1 wood but it obviously does not match the pear wood rubbing strake. The choice is to use the wood and paint the top portion of the hull black. I would prefer to leave it natural wood but I do not know if these types of vessels would have ever had just one lower rubbing strake. If someone could let me know I would appreciate it. coxswain, yvesvidal, GrandpaPhil and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build 18th Century Armed Longboat-Model Shipways Completed Build Lady Eleanor-Vanguard Models King of the Mississippi-Artesania Latina Future Build Vanguard Models- Alert Jeff Farber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted July 7, 2020 Share #23 Posted July 7, 2020 I think you'd be ok with one strake. Don't beat yourself up over it. Pretty sure there were so many variations in stuff with the strakes. You'll love that pear when under varnish. Under polyurethane it looks great! BobG and Ryland Craze 2 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff5115 Posted July 22, 2020 Author Share #24 Posted July 22, 2020 Hull assembly is now complete. Other than some sanding and trimming some pieces all went together fairly easily. Now on to the masts, rigging and sails. This is the part I am really nervous about. Especially since I will be working from plans instead of instructions. Time to take a deep breath and slow down. coxswain, ccoyle, BobG and 12 others 15 Quote Current Build 18th Century Armed Longboat-Model Shipways Completed Build Lady Eleanor-Vanguard Models King of the Mississippi-Artesania Latina Future Build Vanguard Models- Alert Jeff Farber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted July 22, 2020 Share #25 Posted July 22, 2020 I must say, considering you are new to this, you have done a remarkable job on your model. very well done! MEDDO, Ryland Craze and BobG 3 Quote Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted July 22, 2020 Share #26 Posted July 22, 2020 That looks fantastic!! What a lovely, clean build, and for a first ever! I think this proves how ideal this is for a beginner, and you'll have no probs with the masts or rig. Any questions, and you'll get them answered here. barkeater, Ryland Craze, BobG and 1 other 4 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barkeater Posted July 22, 2020 Share #27 Posted July 22, 2020 Nicely done. Quote Completed scratch build: The armed brig "Badger" 1777 Current scratch build: The 36 gun frigate "Unite" 1796 Completed kits: Mamoli "Alert", Caldercraft "Sherbourne" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted July 23, 2020 Share #28 Posted July 23, 2020 Nice work, I agree with everyone. What a great job for a first time build! Quote Regards, Glenn Current Build: HMS Winchelsea Completed Builds: HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff5115 Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share #29 Posted July 28, 2020 Finished BobG, chris watton, VTHokiEE and 13 others 16 Quote Current Build 18th Century Armed Longboat-Model Shipways Completed Build Lady Eleanor-Vanguard Models King of the Mississippi-Artesania Latina Future Build Vanguard Models- Alert Jeff Farber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTHokiEE Posted July 28, 2020 Share #30 Posted July 28, 2020 Congratulations, she looks great! Quote Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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