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Wouldn't it have been possible to cautiously lift off the assembly just a little bit after each strake ? In this way you deal with the problem strake by strake, rather than having multiple 'sticking points'. 

wefalck

 

panta rhei - Everything is in flux

 

 

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Posted

Not really, Eberhard, as the stem and frame tops are secured to the plug. Certainly I do this with clinker style hulls where no internal frames are needed when constructing the shell.

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Posted (edited)

🤞

Bruce

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HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style

Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild 

French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold

Posted

This post should be labelled 'Snatching victory from the jaws of disaster'.

 

The removal of the model from the plug was more difficult than usual. I now realize why. In the past I've used holly for planking open boats. It bends easily and almost no moisture or heat was required. Castello is a different story. It needed a lot moisture and heat to form. In the process the planks welded in spots to the gesso layer on the plug. The photo tells the story. Repairs are under way, as you can also see.  This will take a little time.

 

 

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Posted

The wife claims she heard you using your "sailor words" ... muffled as it was due to the distance.

Alan O'Neill
"only dead fish go with the flow"   :dancetl6:

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Posted

 David, hoping the repair goes smoothly and that you're pleased with the end result. 

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Posted (edited)

And for those who doubted that this was salvageable, after a few hours work:

 

It still needs finessing before I can begin to install the rest of the framing.

 

 

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Posted

David, I don't think any doubted your ability to recover. Nicely done. To my uncalibrated eye it appears that the plank thickness is just about that of an egg shell, close? 

Current Builds:  1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

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                             Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

                       Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration

 

 

Posted (edited)

I see you used the special "planking repair clamps".  Would you now recommend sticking to holly, or some other prophylactic?  Now on to the making and installing of the remaining frames?

Maury

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Posted

Druxey, has anyone ever mentioned that you are pretty damn good at this?

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A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin

current builds:

HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style

Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild 

French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold

Posted

Keith: The planks are 1/64" thick or a scale 3/4". I haven't yet measured an eggshell! Not much gluing surface, so I was not surprised by things giving way, other than the 'welded' areas.

 

Maury: In hindsight holly would have been a better choice, but I wanted to try for an unpainted single-color model. I had not tried using Castello for planking on a boat this size before. Live and learn! If I were to repeat the exercise, I would not gesso the plug but go with plain waxed wood instead.

 

Yes, after some fine-tuning the shell, the frames will be the next step. There are still some doubtful seams needing attention first.

 

Thank you for looking in and commenting, ladies and gentlemen all.

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Posted
38 minutes ago, druxey said:

I haven't yet measured an eggshell!

 I just did, the eggshell measured .015 to .016 , 1/64 inch = .015625   Glueing surface, what glueing surface? :wacko:

Current Builds:  1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

                             Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee

                             Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

                       Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration

 

 

Posted (edited)

To put that in perspective...

That is about the thickness of 4 human hairs side by side.

Edited by AON

Alan O'Neill
"only dead fish go with the flow"   :dancetl6:

Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class

Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014)

Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021)

Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)

Posted

I suspect many members of this group would have difficulty fielding four human hairs, Alan!

 

As for me I had no doubt that Druxey would be able to recover. When he said "this will take a little time to repair" I'll bet many were thinking days. Of course it turned out to be only a few hours in Druxey time.

Greg

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, dvm27 said:

I suspect many members of this group would have difficulty fielding four human hairs, Alan!

 Greg, I'm sure most of us could scrounge at least four from the wasteland perimeter. 

Edited by Keith Black

Current Builds:  1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

                             Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee

                             Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

                       Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration

 

 

Posted

Bending in frames has now begun. Again, bending Castello is a very different experience to bending in holly. With the latter, all I had to do was wet it and in it went. Castello has to be soaked and heat bent off-model. This is going to be a long and drawn out procedure. I'm beginning to regret my decision to build an open boat in this specie of wood!

 

The model has spread a little and will be cinched in when the risers and thwarts are added.

 

 

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Posted
19 hours ago, Keith Black said:

 Greg, I'm sure most of us could scrounge at least four from the wasteland perimeter. 

Another advantage to being a girl! 👸

Toni


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Posted

Thank you, Toni!

 

Forming and bending in of frames is now under way. I made a small jig to heat and moisture bend the stock on. I still need to fine-tune the spacing of a couple of installed frames. Another 18 of 27 frames to go, then the floors need to be added after that. So the next update will be a while.

 

Thanks for dropping by.

 

 

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Posted

Ouch !  But a very nice recovery Druxey.
 

On 4/28/2021 at 7:35 PM, druxey said:

I'm beginning to regret my decision to build an open boat in this specie of wood!


Yes, but I don’t see how you could have anticipated the difficulties beforehand.  Sometimes a thing just needs to be tried.  
 

I have no doubt she will be an absolute beauty in the end.

 

Gary

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Completed Scratch Builds

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Posted

Druxey,

So the frames do not butt up against the keel or the opposing frame part?  Will a keelson go on top of the frames?  The jig is tapered so the bend is different as you move fore and aft?  The frames appear to be tapered before being bent.

Maury

Posted

Maury:  There are floors that will go in that butt against the futtocks. The keelson runs above the floors in this case. You'll see all this - eventually! The jig just give a me basic bend. After that, each frame has to be free-hand bent to fit. That is why this takes so much time. In previous models all I had to do was wet the holly stock and bend it in place, quick and easy.

 

Progress to this point:

 

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Posted

Progress continues. I'm improving my ability to bend frames freehand to fit the hull. As there are no cant frames, the most forward ones have to be twisted as well as curved to shape. An interesting experience! Only four more pairs to make and fit at the stern. Next will be making and fitting floors that abut the futtocks.

 

 

 

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Posted

The futtocks are now complete. The S-curved timbers aft were very challenging to bend and fit. Next are the floors. You can see the first midship floor already installed. Floors are in two parts for convenience, as the joints will be covered by the keelson.

 

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Posted

There is much work yet to do, Eberhard. I'm going as fast as I can while still maintaining quality!  The transom is still overheight at this point. All will become clear in time. There is a wash strake yet to go on, interrupted by tholes. It is supported by separate stub toptimbers. However, that is a long way off yet.

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Posted

A nice step forward with all these futtocks in place. What finesse. On the way to a new little beauty!

Jean-Paul

 

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