Mike Y Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share #301 Posted March 25, 2016 I am lucky, my admiral is very understanding. She does not like smelly things though, so my experiments with diluting tung oil with turpentine failed.. Also, if she complains about my "workshop" - I will complain about her knitting machine corner So no complains, perfect balance. mtaylor, Omega1234, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted March 25, 2016 Share #302 Posted March 25, 2016 Finished the most risky part of the fairing - the outer surface of the side that would be opened. Lesson for the future - if you add the bolt simulation - add another millimiter of margin to the frame lines, especially on the sides of the hull (it is unlikely that the bottom would be problematic). Ended up with some really thin sides around the midship: IMG_3693.jpg But overall - nothing is screwed up! Just some bolts that are too close to the edge of the frame, but they are not poking to the side! No finish applied, and will sand with fine grits right before finishing - apparently, finger marks are very visible. IMG_3689.jpg IMG_3703.jpg The transom wings required a lot of shaping! You can compare with the non-faired side on the right. IMG_3705.jpg I tried lots of different tools for fairing, but ended up with this set: Foto 2016-01-24 18 54 45.jpg Cork block shaped to be round on one side, and remains flat on another. Sandpaper - Mirka 120 grit. Semi-flexible yellow thingy was very useful when sanding the bow and transom. Right the exact flex! Grit 90. French curve scraper helped to level the frames, especially in the tight areas. In another areas, miniature chisel was used for that. Surprisingly, block plane was very useful to quickly even out the frames, to later finish it with the sanding block. Beautiful build Mike..., Nils Mike Y, Canute, AON and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted March 25, 2016 Share #303 Posted March 25, 2016 Spent few weeks working on my "living room corner workshop" My goodness I can't even keep my computer desk that clean and tidy. The hull framing is looking very nice. Michael Omega1234, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igorcap Posted March 25, 2016 Share #304 Posted March 25, 2016 Mike , most dust gives sander , so be sure to use a vacuum cleaner, it is recommended with control power (low power thrust is sufficient, but less noise). Moreover I recommend vacuum cleaner controller which automatically turns the vacuum cleaner together with your sander , for example PROXXON AS/E Canute, Omega1234 and mtaylor 3 Quote Igor ------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share #305 Posted March 25, 2016 Igor, all shop vacs are too loud and too big for my room... So I am using a tiny detachable vac (http://cache.air-n-water.com/images/electrolux-el1014a-6-l.jpg) I put it close to the sander, under the left bottom corner where the majority of dust goes, and that helps a lot. Omega1234, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share #306 Posted March 25, 2016 Finished fairing the exterior of the hull: No finish applied yet. First time I show the hidden side of it It is the port side, it would be fully planked and fully hidden - hence no iron bolts, very rough fairing and less attention to the frame alignment - ended up adding strips of wood to patch the low spots. Now need to make a frame to support the hull in an inverted position (keel down), to be able to comfortably work with the internals of the hull. Internal fairing would be fun! CharlieZardoz, Niklas, Omega1234 and 21 others 24 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jose_b Posted March 25, 2016 Share #307 Posted March 25, 2016 She looks really good. mtaylor, Omega1234, Mike Y and 1 other 4 Quote Building Le François: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9952-le-fran%C3%A7ois-by-jose-scale-1-48-1683/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik W Posted March 25, 2016 Share #308 Posted March 25, 2016 Well done Mike! I also like your lighting and photography with these. The bow and stern photos look awesome. Erik Mike Y, Canute, Omega1234 and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: HM Cutter Cheerful - Scratch Build - 1:48Finished build: 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share #309 Posted March 25, 2016 Thanks Erik! This time I gave up and used iPhone 5 to take photos, instead of the proper camera (Canon S120). The colours on the iphone photos are much more correct and realistic then the ones made by canon, which makes everything too warm and yellow under this light. Tried to reset the WB - ended up with colours that are too cold. Tried iPhone - hah, it just gives a right colour with no tweaks or filters or adjustments Canute, mtaylor, Omega1234 and 2 others 5 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted March 26, 2016 Author Share #310 Posted March 26, 2016 Installed the false keel. It is the first time I work with ebony, and probably the last. Working with ebony is all about cleaning, cleaning, cleaning and again cleaning. Bleh! Shaped it with the Veritas mini block plane, its blade is really hard, cuts ebony without any issues: Result: Timmo, Stuntflyer, tadheus and 23 others 26 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted March 26, 2016 Share #311 Posted March 26, 2016 Beautiful work Mike Michael Omega1234, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted March 26, 2016 Share #312 Posted March 26, 2016 Nice, Mike! Ebony may be a pain for clean up, but nothing looks quite as good. Mike Y, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jose_b Posted March 26, 2016 Share #313 Posted March 26, 2016 (edited) Ebony is also very rigid and it's very difficult to bend it, but the result is impressive (use steel wool to finish work). Edited March 26, 2016 by jose_b Omega1234, Canute, Mike Y and 1 other 4 Quote Building Le François: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9952-le-fran%C3%A7ois-by-jose-scale-1-48-1683/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted March 26, 2016 Share #314 Posted March 26, 2016 Absolutely superb work, Mike! Cheers Patrick Canute, Mike Y and mtaylor 3 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 26, 2016 Share #315 Posted March 26, 2016 Just lovely, Mike. Yeah, ebony is a pain.. but when you see the results it's worth it. Omega1234, Canute and Mike Y 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted March 27, 2016 Share #316 Posted March 27, 2016 Wonderful, Mike. How do you want to cut the rabbet on the keel? Omega1234, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share #317 Posted March 27, 2016 Christian, it is only cut on the side that would be fully planked. No rabbet on the other side, for aesthetics reasons. Bobstrake, Omega1234, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted March 27, 2016 Author Share #318 Posted March 27, 2016 Made a support jig to install the hull in an upright position. It is a first time I see it this way, very, khm, unusual! Like it is upside down. Or, hold on, right side up? Very confusing after working on the inverted hull for little bit more than 1.5 years.. The jig is simple and surprisingly stable. I was planning to add a diagonal braces to it to increase stability, but looks like it is not necessary. Now it even looks much bigger when stored right side up Ok, so now I do not have any more excuses, time to fair the inside of the hull. See you in a few dusty weeks! gjdale, robin b, druxey and 20 others 23 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 27, 2016 Share #319 Posted March 27, 2016 Mike, Welcome to the "Let's flip it over and see what it looks like right side up" club. She's looking very good. Mike Y, Omega1234, AON and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted March 28, 2016 Share #320 Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) Now she looks like a ship, Mike. The next huge reveal when you cut the frame extensions and free her from the jig but wait as long as possible to do this. Have fun with that internal fairing. I foresee some bloody knuckles! Edited March 28, 2016 by dvm27 druxey, mtaylor, Mike Y and 3 others 6 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyz Posted March 28, 2016 Share #321 Posted March 28, 2016 Mike, the model is coming along nicely. Yes, ebony is a royal pain in the butt to use. Not only is it brittle but the dust from it can cause real problems. Many years back I needed some thin strakes from ebony wood. I made them with my thickness sander. Every time I went to put them on the hull they cracked. Over and over I had to remake them. Stupidly I wasn't wearing my dust mask and ended up breathing enough ebony dust that I started having respiratory problems. I almost called 911. Ebony looks really nice but it can be nasty to work with. I ALWAYS use the mask now, for all woods. Tom Canute, AON, Omega1234 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jose_b Posted March 29, 2016 Share #322 Posted March 29, 2016 She looks vey good. I like all photos, in special 3rd and 5th. Canute, mtaylor, Mike Y and 1 other 4 Quote Building Le François: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9952-le-fran%C3%A7ois-by-jose-scale-1-48-1683/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted March 29, 2016 Share #323 Posted March 29, 2016 Consider dye or paint when you make the wales, Mike. Ebony is a b*gg*r from every point of view, as others have mentioned. mtaylor, Omega1234, robin b and 3 others 6 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggrieco Posted April 3, 2016 Share #324 Posted April 3, 2016 That is one beautifully fair hull, Mike. Wonderful craftsmanship! Omega1234, mtaylor, Mike Y and 1 other 4 Quote Glenn ___________________________________ My Gallery 9 inch Dahlgren on Marsilly Carriage<p><p> Heroine Shipwreck Diorama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share #325 Posted April 9, 2016 Robin, that is very easy - click on the image to open a fullsize version, right click -> save image, then post it to your thread. Canute, robin b, cog and 2 others 5 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niklas Posted April 9, 2016 Share #326 Posted April 9, 2016 Mike, just catching up on your excellent build. Your'e making a beautiful Cromwell! Niklas Omega1234, Mike Y, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted May 1, 2016 Author Share #327 Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) Latest updates: Got a shipment of cast cannons (from http://shipmodels.com.ua/) andanchor and also a cnc milled figurehead (from igorcap) Very little time for modelling, but briefly visited Paris to admire the great collection of fully framed models in its maritime museum. Still fairing the inside of the hull. The "planked" side fairing is finished, but the "prime" fully opened side will take more time. It is a nasty process, I will really follow a traditional build sequence next time - fairing bow and stern first, before midship is assembled. Out of all my tools, just two are usable for it - curved scraper and a similarly shaped sanding block. Also some xacto blades for a fine scraping later during the process: Found a super simple way to keep the dust away - two sheets of paper - and it is collecting under the hull, not getting onto the floor. Also looks spooky These parts are really tricky due to very convex curves: My frame alignment was not perfect, some ended up too thin, but I will cheat a beat and leave them slightly unfair on the internal side - it would be hard to see anyway. Lesson for the future - build in the upright position, where it is much easier to control the alignment of the thin top timbers. If building in Hahn way, upside down - leave a lot of margin around top timbers, where they are thin and sensible to misalignment, when you cut the frames. Edited May 1, 2016 by Mike Y tlevine, paulsutcliffe, Cap'n Rat Fink and 21 others 24 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siggi52 Posted May 2, 2016 Share #328 Posted May 2, 2016 Mike, may be you have seen it already, I upload an album with my pictures of the Royal George in the gallery of contemporary models. Regards, Siggi Mike Y, robin b, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Regards, Siggi Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747) Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share #329 Posted May 2, 2016 Thank you, Siggi! They are really valuable for me. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted May 2, 2016 Share #330 Posted May 2, 2016 Hey Mike Seriously gorgeous work. I reckon, after 18 months, that you're pretty chuffed and deservedly so! Keep the great work going! Cheers Patrick Canute, mtaylor and Mike Y 3 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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