Keith Black Posted October 20, 2020 Share #1591 Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Cathead said: I've got a Viking ship, it may end up at the bottom of my pond. I didn't know Vikings had submarines! Landrotten Highlander, flying_dutchman2, mtaylor and 3 others 3 3 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted October 20, 2020 Share #1592 Posted October 20, 2020 I'm still waiting for the lower tier of rowers (Ducks for cover to avoid the dynamite) That has turned into a very interesting and well executed model Steven, so I am guessing that that if you are going with the same sort of theme - your new build will have crew to carve, be quite colourful and very rarely modelled? Now what fits into that theme........ cheers Pat mtaylor, cog, Keith Black and 2 others 5 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schrader Posted October 21, 2020 Share #1593 Posted October 21, 2020 Steven your level has served to me as inspiration and motivation to try to take my models to the next level congratulations!!!! and now what is next? GOOD JOB!!! Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share #1594 Posted October 21, 2020 Gee! I've barely finished after five years of work and you guys want me to rush into a new model! Gimme a break! mtaylor, usedtosail, Jack12477 and 2 others 5 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sceatha Posted October 21, 2020 Share #1595 Posted October 21, 2020 Awesome work Steven! A very impressive and lively model. Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote Current build: Greek Galliot (scratchbuilt) Previous: Byblos Ship (scratchbuilt) Keep building. https://www.scalemodelspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted October 22, 2020 Share #1596 Posted October 22, 2020 On 10/20/2020 at 9:51 PM, Louie da fly said: Gee! I've barely finished after five years of work and you guys want me to rush into a new model! Gimme a break! No rush... take the weekend off. Keith Black, Binho, Cathead and 2 others 4 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share #1597 Posted October 22, 2020 Ha ha, bloody ha ha ha . . . Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted October 22, 2020 Share #1598 Posted October 22, 2020 OK we'll be generous, have a make-n-mend also, and as we're in a good mood, you can also have an extra tot cheers Pat Keith Black, EJ_L, cog and 1 other 3 1 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted October 23, 2020 Author Share #1599 Posted October 23, 2020 All a-tanto . . . cog, Keith Black and mtaylor 3 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Coleman Posted October 25, 2020 Share #1600 Posted October 25, 2020 Absolutely gorgeous Steven. It’s not just one aspect that sets it apart, but your carvings, painting and work you put into researching the actual design. Bravo, good sir, bravo. EJ_L, mtaylor and Keith Black 3 Quote “The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever.” ― Jacques Yves Cousteau Work in Progress: US Brig Syren Completed Works: Thermopylae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yancovitch Posted October 28, 2020 Share #1601 Posted October 28, 2020 just soooo impressed...soooo impressed.....congrats!!! EJ_L and Keith Black 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted October 29, 2020 Author Share #1602 Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) Thanks everybody. The last thing I'll be doing is to make a case - I'm off to buy perspex today. A final comment - If I were to build the model again there are quite a few things I'd change. For a start I'd make it about 2 metres longer (full scale) - the poop deck needed to be considerably bigger than I'd made it in my drawings if it was to take the awning and the steersmen, and I had to sacrifice an oarbench on each side to fit it in. I'd also start the curve of the "tail" further forward so it was higher - the poop deck had to be lowered so it didn't overlap the sides of the ship. And I would have made the forecastle higher - according to the sources much of the Greek Fire apparatus should have been underneath the foredeck, not on top. The pump would still have to be on the deck, but the oil tank and brazier should have been below. At the time I was worried that the parapet would get in the way of the lateen yard, but I believe I could have had a higher parapet and still not had a problem. I'd also have been a lot more careful about the placement of the benches - they weren't spaced as equally as they should have been. I do know the benches on the Yenikapi galleys weren't exactly spaced, but the differences were pretty minor. As it was, the spacing between the tholes and the benches was different for every oarsman - another reason I couldn't mass-produce them. And I'd have a double-sheaved calcet (integral block) at the top of each mast, not single, as I've since found large numbers of near-contemporary calcets - all of them double sheaved. However, having said that, I'm very pleased with the model as it turned out. Certainly it could have been improved, but I think it's pretty darned good. Edited October 29, 2020 by Louie da fly EJ_L, EricWilliamMarshall, Keith Black and 9 others 12 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted October 30, 2020 Share #1603 Posted October 30, 2020 Steven, you're being too hard on yourself. Louie da fly and Keith Black 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Hunt Posted October 30, 2020 Share #1604 Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) A great build of a fascinating model. I've loved all the interesting research, the build challenges and their clever solutions, the artistry, the whole thing. It's been treat and frankly I'm a bit sorry to see it end! Edited October 30, 2020 by Tony Hunt Keith Black, mtaylor and Louie da fly 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted October 30, 2020 Share #1605 Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) @Louie da fly Steven, it a master piece! Congrats. She is a beauty and an excellent model, am going to download a few pictures for my archives and I shall also send them to Prof. Maritime archeolol. Demesticha of the Cyprus Univ. She is teaching byz. sea archeol. Great work sir! Christos Edited October 30, 2020 by MESSIS mtaylor, bigpetr, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binho Posted October 30, 2020 Share #1606 Posted October 30, 2020 She's absolutely stunning Steven, congrats! I love how colorful she is, and the figures add so much life to it! EJ_L, mtaylor and Keith Black 3 Quote Alberto - "Binho" Current Build: Dusek 1:72 Scale Longship Digital Shipyard: Viking-era ships and boats 3D Art: Artstation, Sketchfab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted November 2, 2020 Share #1607 Posted November 2, 2020 Congratulations! Beautifully done! EJ_L, mtaylor and Keith Black 3 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted November 6, 2020 Author Share #1608 Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) I'm working on making the case for the dromon. A plywood body, with the "glass" made of [Edit] polycarbonate acrylic [/Edit]. Front view Back view (from "inside") The [Edit] polycarbonate acrylic [/Edit] is a separate structure which will be screwed to the body once the model is inside. I used "metal" screws because of their fine threads. Because the [Edit] polycarbonate acrylic [/Edit] is so fragile I had to be very careful about making the holes - first I drilled small pilot holes through both body and [Edit] polycarbonate acrylic [/Edit] - then larger ones - almost as wide as the outside of the screw threads. I rubbed each screw against a bar of soap (to provide lubrication), and slowly and carefully turned the screw, which acted as a die-cutter, making a female thread in the hole in the [Edit] polycarbonate acrylic [/Edit]. The guy who supplied and cut the [Edit] polycarbonate acrylic [/Edit] to size showed me how to do the gluing between the pieces - didn't reckon my inexperience, so there are a few places where the glue has interfered with the pure clarity of the surface. But not too bad for a first time. I'll be staining the plywood so it doesn't just look like cheap pine. And I have some ideas for the background panel. But don't expect anything to happen for a while. I have other things that have to be done first. Edited February 8 by Louie da fly Discovered that what I thought was polycarbonate was really acrylic. Apparently both are available clear, but polycarbonate is used where a stronger material is needed - which isn't in a display case. EJ_L, Baker, Brinkman and 9 others 12 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J11 Posted November 6, 2020 Share #1609 Posted November 6, 2020 Museum quality model. The base you have chosen using the marble, adds to the actual historic time period is really a sharp idea. Love the color scheme also with all the individual men and shields blending in with the ship. Outstanding work, next years calendar show image for sure! Congratulations! EJ_L, Louie da fly, Keith Black and 3 others 6 Quote Current build project: CSS Alabama 1/96 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/20148-css-alabama-by-jonathan11-revell-196-scale-kit-bash-90-historical-accuracy/ Finished build projects 2018: H.L Hunley 1/24 CSS Arkansas 1/96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted November 14, 2020 Share #1610 Posted November 14, 2020 @Louie da flySteven please tell me what kind of glue you used for the polycarbonate and what thickness are the poly plates. Thank you Christos mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share #1611 Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) Hi Christos, The [Edit] polycarbonate acrylic [/Edit] was 4.5mm thick (any thinner and the joints don't join), and the glue was supplied by the people I bought the [Edit] polycarbonate acrylic [/Edit] from, so I don't know what it was. If you're looking to make a case the same way, the people who sell you the [Edit] polycarbonate acrylic [/Edit] might be able to provide glue, or at least tell you what to get and where to get it. Edited February 8 by Louie da fly Discovered that what I thought was polycarbonate was really acrylic. Apparently both are available clear, but polycarbonate is used where a stronger material is needed - which isn't in a display case. EJ_L, EricWilliamMarshall, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted November 14, 2020 Share #1612 Posted November 14, 2020 Thank you Steven. I had untill today made my display cases out of glass, its costly and the seller joins the glass by a sort of laser welding maschine. The problem is, its heavy to carry home from the shop and also fagile, I broke that of Hermione's the other day. I dont know where I can find polycarbonate to buy here in Limassol, may be Amazon does sell. Anyway thank you very much for your help Steven. Christos EJ_L, mtaylor, Louie da fly and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share #1613 Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) Just be aware that [Edit] polycarbonate acrylic [/Edit]has disadvantages as well - the main one is that it scratches easily, and if you get glue on the surface where it's not supposed to be, the surface goes "cloudy". But if you're careful enough (not like me!) this won't happen - but I found the glue sometimes spurts unexpectedly out of the nozzle of the tube of glue as you squeeze it. So take care! Edited February 8 by Louie da fly Discovered that what I thought was polycarbonate was really acrylic. Apparently both are available clear, but polycarbonate is used where a stronger material is needed - which isn't in a display case. Jeff T, mtaylor, EJ_L and 2 others 5 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithbrad80 Posted November 14, 2020 Share #1614 Posted November 14, 2020 From the research to the build, your model is museum quality to me. I plan to build a case within the next few months so I’ll be using your log as a guide! Thanks for the history lesson! Bradley Keith Black, Louie da fly, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Builds: Flying Fish - Model Shipways - 1:96 Future Builds: Young America 1853 - Scratch Build - 1:72 Completed Builds: HMS Racehorse - Mantua - 1:47 (No pictures unfortunately) Providence Whale Boat - Artesania Latina - 1:25 (Also no pictures) Lowell Grand Banks Dory - Model Shipways - 1:24 Shelved Builds: Pride of Baltimore 2 - Model Shipways - 1:64 (Also no pictures) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share #1615 Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) Bradley, I've found [Edit] polycarbonate acrylic [/Edit] very good. Nice and light, and rigid so long as you do your gluing properly. But be cautious with the gluing - I got spots of glue on the [Edit] polycarbonate acrylic [/Edit] surface when I squeezed the air out of the (really thin!) nozzle as instructed, and drops of glue flew into the air and landed just where I didn't want them to. And once they're on the surface there's nothing you can do about it - trying to wipe the glue spots off just smears them and makes it worse. And if you squeeze too hard when applying the glue down the length of the joint it spreads out onto the surface instead of just staying within the join. I think it's mostly just a matter of practice, but forewarned is forearmed. You run the glue along the inside of the join and surface tension "pulls" it into the space between the two surfaces. It's really quite cool to watch. It doesn't take long to dry solid, either. I found one joint came apart a bit and had to be re-done. But once everything's successfully glued together it's light, strong and self supporting. Pretty cool! Making the first join is the hardest because you have to somehow hold everything together in exactly the right configuration while you're gluing. Once the first two panels are joined it becomes easier because they support the following panels. Edited February 8 by Louie da fly Discovered that what I thought was polycarbonate was really acrylic. Apparently both are available clear, but polycarbonate is used where a stronger material is needed - which isn't in a display case. EJ_L, EricWilliamMarshall, Cathead and 5 others 7 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodrat Posted November 16, 2020 Share #1616 Posted November 16, 2020 Steven, The proper adhesive for polycarbonate is, I believe, methylene chhloride. This a bit toxic and you have to hold the sheets in jigs and run the liquid along the seam with a needle and syringe. This will actually fuse the sheets together. Superglue will produce clouding at the join. I elected to put he polycarbonate in slotted wooden frames which means they can be replaced if scratched. This is the third large case I have done this way ( see my round ship build, last page). Also see this link: https://www.cutplasticsheeting.co.uk/blog/uncategorized/how-to-glue-polycarbonate/ cog, Keith Black, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current build: Le Gros Ventre 1:48 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/564-le-gros-ventre-by-woodrat-scale-1-48-pof-1767-french-exploration-vessel/ Past builds: Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame:https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33384-mycenaean-war-galley-by-woodrat-148-shell-first-plank-on-frame Venetian round ship 14th century by Woodrat fully framed - 1:40 scale Completed https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/17991-venetian-round-ship-14th-century-by-woodrat-fully-framed-140-scale Venetian Carrack or Cocha 1/64 by woodrat https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4915-venetian-carrack-or-cocha-164-by-woodrat completed United States Frigate Essex 1:64 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4496-usf-essex-by-woodrat-scale-1-64-fully-framed-from-takakjian-plans/ - completed Yenikapi12 by Woodrat - 1/16 scale - a small Byzantine merchant vessel of the 9th century https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23815-yenikapi12-by-woodrat-116-scale-a-small-byzantine-merchant-vessel-of-the-9th-century-finished/ The Incredible Hulc by Woodrat - an experimental reconstruction of a mediaeval transport https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25641-the-elusive-hulc-by-woodrat-finished-a-speculative-reconstruction-of-a-mediaeval-merchantman-132-plank-on-frame/ Location: Perth, Western Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapinas Posted November 16, 2020 Share #1617 Posted November 16, 2020 Wow this build is out of this world. I was amazing to see difficult ship body assembly, but when you started hand carve ships crew... Keith Black, mtaylor and EJ_L 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted November 16, 2020 Share #1618 Posted November 16, 2020 Superglue won't hold Steven. You can take it apart again without to much force. Dick is right, you need a glue which fuses the polycarbonate. Not certain if MEK works, but there are a few glues which are specially used for this material EJ_L 1 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff T Posted November 16, 2020 Share #1619 Posted November 16, 2020 There is a glue called Craftics Thickened Cement #33 that I have used for gluing small pieces of polycarbonate to styrene on my plastic model, and since it is not too thin, I think maybe one could mask the edges of the polycarbonate being joined to protect the surfaces from overflow and “spider web” strings from extruding glue, without the glue creeping under the tape. The surfaces would probably need to be masked on the inside and the outside of the seams. Here is a link: https://www.craftics.net/ShowItems.aspx?Category=80&ParentCategory=3 Craftics makes thin glues too that can be used on polycarbonate. I do not know if any of these are available outside of the United States, however. EJ_L 1 Quote Jeff Current build: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/24519-spanish-galleon-by-jeff-t-revell-196-plastic-with-modifications/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share #1620 Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) The glue I used was supplied by the people I bought the [Edit] polycarbonate acrylic [/Edit] from, so presumably it's the right glue for the job. It's not superglue. Edited February 8 by Louie da fly Discovered that what I thought was polycarbonate was really acrylic. Apparently both are available clear, but polycarbonate is used where a stronger material is needed - which isn't in a display case. mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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