realworkingsailor Posted September 29, 2013 Author Share #1021 Posted September 29, 2013 Robbyn, properly it was a length of served rope. But for the purposes of model building, something a bit more rigid like wire or bamboo works better. With all the counteracting lines at that point (shrouds, futtock shrouds and catharpins) threatening to turn the top of the shrouds into a rat's nest, you need something to keep everything separate and aligned. Andy cookster and augie 2 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverboat Posted September 29, 2013 Share #1022 Posted September 29, 2013 Very nice Andy!! Frank Quote completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat HMAT SUPPLY USRC "ALERT" in progress: Red Dragon (Chinese junk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkerryAmp Posted September 29, 2013 Share #1023 Posted September 29, 2013 Andy, just once again got caught up and am really impressed with how good the Pegasus is coming along. The staves trick is terrific, your servings are awesome!! Very nice project - and I love the outdoor shots; make the colors really come out. -Adam Quote -Adam Current Builds Santa Maria - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB MayFlower - Model Shipways (5/32"=1') POB Blue Shadow - Mamoli Revolutionary War Brigantine. (Fict) (1:64) POB (Recommissioned as the Kara June) On The Shelf Waiting so Patiently USRC Ranger - Corel (1:50) POB 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways (1:4) POF La Nina - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB U.S Brig Syren - Model Shipways (1:64) POB Completed Builds Phantom NY Pilot Boat - Model Shipways (1:96) Solid Hull Decommissioned Builds (Time and conditions were not good to these. They have been cancelled =( ) Willie L Bennett - Model Shipways (1:32) POF USRC Harriet Lane - Model Shipways (1:128) Solid Hull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted September 29, 2013 Author Share #1024 Posted September 29, 2013 If the weather cooperates I'll be sure to add a few more before I head back to work Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted September 30, 2013 Share #1025 Posted September 30, 2013 Andy, the bowsprit rigging looks superb and the rigid staves are a clever way to solve the "Rats Nest" to use your term at the confluence of the assorted lines shrouds etc. Michael realworkingsailor 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jthemanjack Posted September 30, 2013 Share #1026 Posted September 30, 2013 Very nice work,really enjoyed your log....just wandering how the friezes were done? transfer or painted by hand,if by hand i take my hat off to you sir! Jack realworkingsailor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted September 30, 2013 Author Share #1027 Posted September 30, 2013 (edited) Thanks Michael There's plenty of opportunities to make furballs out of rigging a ship, I figure anything I can do to try to keep things in order has to pay off at some point. Welcom aboard, Jack. The friezes are photo etched brass that came with the kit, the trick is trying to make them look painted on... judging by your comments, I guess I did alright... thank you.. Small update time. The weather today has turned...well... fall-ish. Good day to stay indoors and poke at model ships... In that light, I went after the boomkins and their associated rigging. By and large, fairly straight forward, the biggest challenge is maintaining some semblance of symetry. The fore-tack blocks mark my first use of Chuck's excellent aftermarket blocks. I'll need to order a few more before I get finished rigging. Besides, you can never have enough extras laying about Oh yeah... another GFP... Andy Edited September 30, 2013 by realworkingsailor egkb, fnkershner, mtaylor and 7 others 10 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 30, 2013 Share #1028 Posted September 30, 2013 She's starting to look a bit like a sailing warship, Andy! John popeye the sailor and realworkingsailor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookster Posted October 1, 2013 Share #1029 Posted October 1, 2013 Andy, the more I see of your rigging the more it makes me hope I can somehow come close to your results! realworkingsailor 1 Quote Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbuilder101 Posted October 1, 2013 Share #1030 Posted October 1, 2013 The futtock staves and boomkins look great! Chuck's blocks look wonderful and I'm probably going to be ordering some in the future. realworkingsailor 1 Quote Sherry Every goodbye is the birth of a memory... Current Build: San Felipe Finished Builds: Mayflower Build Log Gallery: Mayflower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdsaplala Posted October 1, 2013 Share #1031 Posted October 1, 2013 Excellent looking boomkins there, Andy. realworkingsailor 1 Quote Best regards,AldoCurrently Building: HMS Pegasus (Victory Models)-Mothballed to give priority to Triton HMS Triton (first attempt at scratchbuilding) Past build:HM Brig Badger (Caldercraft), HM Brig Cruizer, HM Schooner Ballahoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share #1032 Posted October 1, 2013 Thanks everyone for your kind comments Sherry, they are a worthwhile purchase, that's for sure. Chuck is to be commended for making them so well, and accessible to the market. Wes, I'm sure you can do it too. All it takes is a good resource to follow and a little patience Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookster Posted October 1, 2013 Share #1033 Posted October 1, 2013 "All it takes is a good resource to follow and a little patience" Yes, yes, yes!! Quote Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share #1034 Posted October 1, 2013 Well... this will probably be the last little bit of "fun in the sun" until next spring. I expect to leave Thursday morning, so the shipyard will have to be tidied up before then, and I don't plan on any more building until I get home in December... and by then it's too snowy for outdoor pics. As it is I had to wait until just before noon for enough sun to filter into the backyard... Another sign the days are getting shorter and cold weather is coming. Hopefully this will satisfy a few of the photo-addicts that lurk around here..... (you know who you are.... Sjors.... ). Incidentally... based on the number of questions I've received from people... I may have to consider writing my own rigging manual.... and for some reason that strikes me as rather odd.... since I'm far from an expert on the subject.... I dunno.... Something to ponder over then next few months anyway..... Andy rdsaplala, NAZGÛL, SkerryAmp and 18 others 21 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarvalley Posted October 1, 2013 Share #1035 Posted October 1, 2013 Well well, that's some nice looking rigging there Andy... I can't name half the stuff I see but I can appreciate it Suck up those rays while you can.... and for what its worth... we all love a pic or two.... words are nice but pictures... well, you know... realworkingsailor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted October 1, 2013 Share #1036 Posted October 1, 2013 She looks very impressive Andy, great shot of the rigging at the Main Mast top. B.E. realworkingsailor 1 Quote Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted October 1, 2013 Share #1037 Posted October 1, 2013 Very nice indeed Andy, for one, I'd certainly welcome a tutorial on the rigging method - especially the serving on the more complex bits. TBlack and realworkingsailor 2 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted October 1, 2013 Share #1038 Posted October 1, 2013 Andy, Thank you very much !!!!!!!!! It keeps me satisfied till december when you can make new pictures Wonderful pictures of a wonderful build ! And when you are writing that manual , send me a copy please….. Have a safe trip and I will follow you again on that other topic. Have calm seas and watch out for all the danger that is around you ! newbuilder101 and realworkingsailor 2 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted October 1, 2013 Share #1039 Posted October 1, 2013 superbly done Andy.........such a clean look about her! sad to hear your going to be gone for that amount of time.......is it normal for you to be gone this long........it about two months Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted October 1, 2013 Share #1040 Posted October 1, 2013 Lovely set of photos, Andy! If you're a bit short of sun you could always come over here. It's still early spring and the temperature's over 30 degrees already! john realworkingsailor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share #1041 Posted October 1, 2013 Always glad to oblige you folks with a photo or two when opportunity presents itself. Popeye, you should know there's no such thing as "normal" in the transportation industry The way I'm looking at it, two months now means a longer break until spring AND I get Christmas at home... Well worth it if you ask me BE, Steve, thank you both for stopping by. Always nice to get some positive reinforcement from a couple of Pegasus/Fly vets such as yourselves. Jason and Sjors you're just two of many names that popped into my head when I thought of doing my own rigging manual... Keep in mind that at the moment it's still only a possibility, I'm neither a writer, and artist or a teacher, and there's a lot of ground to cover.... That and I'd like to try to get my ship done next spring...... I hope... Andy popeye the sailor and Sjors 2 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share #1042 Posted October 1, 2013 Take lots of photos! Not just for me, there are many people around here who would love to see them. Thanks in advance. Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb0190 Posted October 1, 2013 Share #1043 Posted October 1, 2013 Andy, she looks absolutely impressive realworkingsailor 1 Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted October 2, 2013 Share #1044 Posted October 2, 2013 I love these outdoor shots Andy - she looks really great! hamilton realworkingsailor 1 Quote current builds: Corel HMS Bellona (1780); Admiralty models Echo cross-section (semi-scratch) previous builds: MS Phantom (scuttled, 2017); MS Sultana (1767); Corel Brittany Sloop (scuttled, 2022); MS Kate Cory; MS Armed Virginia Sloop (in need of a refit); Corel Flattie; Mamoli Gretel; Amati Bluenose (1921) (scuttled, 2023); AL San Francisco (destroyed by land krakens [i.e., cats]); Corel Toulonnaise (1823); MS Glad Tidings (1937) (in need of a refit); HMS Blandford (1719) from Corel HMS Greyhound; Fair Rosamund (1832) from OcCre Dos Amigos (missing in action); Amati Hannah (ship in a bottle); Mamoli America (1851); Bluenose fishing schooner (1921) (scratch); Off-Centre Sailing Skiff (scratch) under the bench: MS Emma C Barry; MS USS Constitution; MS Flying Fish; Corel Berlin; a wood supplier Colonial Schooner Hannah; Victory Models H.M.S. Fly; CAF Models HMS Granado; MS USS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted October 2, 2013 Share #1045 Posted October 2, 2013 Great stuff Andy, your work on the rigging detail is incredibly impressive and inspires me to take that step up when I get there (a serving machine is required). A beautiful ship model you have there. I second Hamilton, the outdoor shots are great. Cheers Alistair realworkingsailor 1 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted October 2, 2013 Share #1046 Posted October 2, 2013 I really like the pics in the sun! She looks great. /Matti realworkingsailor 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share #1047 Posted October 2, 2013 Thanks Larry, Hamilton, Alistair and Matti... And anyone else I've missed With any luck, my next outdoor pics will be of a completed or very nearly completed ship.... Fingers crossed Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted October 2, 2013 Share #1048 Posted October 2, 2013 hi Andy, just caught up with you being home and now away again, lovely work, have a safe trip, ill be following, and hopefully getting some work on my build as well realworkingsailor 1 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookster Posted October 2, 2013 Share #1049 Posted October 2, 2013 Safe travels Andy! I won't even ask for a rigging manual, just a tutorial (collection) of steps you took while rigging. Newbies like me need lots of help, and oh yea pictures! I'm still awed by that all that serving. I gotta get me a serving machine, or build one for sure... And then copy your methods realworkingsailor 1 Quote Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share #1050 Posted October 2, 2013 Kevin, thank you very much. I'm looking forward to your progress. I see you slowly inching your way towards rigging. Wes, I hope I've done ok for you as far as the picture department goes. As for a serving machine, I ended up making my own, there are many variants out there from other people, find one you like or are capable of putting together, and you'll go miles. Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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