yvesvidal Posted November 17, 2021 Author #91 Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) While planks are drying, I started working on the pleasant stuff of Session #2: Some parts of the gun deck and the rear capstan. The assembly above will be glued to the deck and will provide a sturdy pivot/bearing for the main axle. The capstan will be rotating. The lower part of it is fixed and is used as pivot for the axle. The upper part and the 10 feet long sticks are rotating and will be coupled with the capstan on the upper deck. It probably won't be easy to see the lower part rotate, but I will know that it is there. The bars are made of bamboo sticks, for Smores (Publix stores). Each bar is cut at the right length (real bars were 10 feet long) and inserted into the upper part of the drumhead (see pictures below). The upper part of the capstan rotates smoothly and is a pleasure to operate. The deck is planked with maple planks of 0.4 mm thick, 8 mm wide (easy to cut with a pair of scissors) and stained with old oak Minwax varnish (very smelly). Yves Edited November 17, 2021 by yvesvidal John Ruy, JeffT, ccoyle and 13 others 14 2 Quote
mtaylor Posted November 18, 2021 #92 Posted November 18, 2021 That is one huge and impressive hull. I hope the rest of the planking goes as well. What method are you using on bending the cherry planks? Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Kusawa2000 Posted November 18, 2021 #93 Posted November 18, 2021 5 hours ago, yvesvidal said: I completed the wales on the port side. I still have to fix and paint the gun ports on that side, as well as install the upper wale. That one is easy (1.5 mm basswood) compared with the main wales (3 mm x 8 mm cherry wood). For a change of pace and more self inflicted torture, I decided to start planking that monstrous hull. Each plank is made of 3 mm thick by 8 mm wide poplar/lime wood and is very stiff. I split the hull in three belts, following the recommendations of experts (such as Chuck) and started planking the garboards and the first planks to the keel. So far, I have installed 4 planks on each side. About 24 planks should go under the wales, on each side. This is still Session #2 and it is by far the biggest session, with the hull planking, wales, upper hull planking, channels, gun deck and 28 big caliber guns to assemble, not counting two capstans, bitts and numerous grates. Session #2 also includes the copper tiling of the hull. I have not decided if I will tile the ship and it will depend of the appearance of the hull. Honestly, I have never planked such a big and curvy hull and each plank presents its amount of challenges. I may be stuck for months on Session #2 and the sanding of that behemoth will require an electric sander, preceeded by a wood scraper. I have secured all five sessions of the kit (you never know what may happen between the USA and China) and I will be presenting the remaining three sessions at a later time. Crazy stuff for sure and tons of parts to assemble for a life time. Yves Yves: Is Session 5 now available? CAF models website still has it not available. If its available how do you purchase it? Mike Draper Quote Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Member, Nautical Research Guild
Blue Ensign Posted November 18, 2021 #94 Posted November 18, 2021 Impressive work Yves, that model is certainly going to have 'presence' B.E. hollowneck 1 Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
Kevin Posted November 18, 2021 #95 Posted November 18, 2021 6 hours ago, Kusawa2000 said: Yves: Is Session 5 now available? CAF models website still has it not available. If its available how do you purchase it? Mike Draper ask Tom @cafmodel Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat
yvesvidal Posted November 18, 2021 Author #96 Posted November 18, 2021 10 hours ago, mtaylor said: That is one huge and impressive hull. I hope the rest of the planking goes as well. What method are you using on bending the cherry planks? Mike, the cherry wood planks were bent after dipping them in alcohol. Also, for the bow, I sliced them in two parts (a little bit like a two pointed fork) as it helps tremendously the curvature of the wood. Once glued, filled and painted, it is not really visible. All the wales planking is glued with epoxy slow curing two components glue. A must in this case. Yves mtaylor 1 Quote
yvesvidal Posted November 18, 2021 Author #97 Posted November 18, 2021 7 hours ago, Kusawa2000 said: Yves: Is Session 5 now available? CAF models website still has it not available. If its available how do you purchase it? Mike Draper Mike, yes Session #5 is available and I ordered it directly from CAF Model. With the shipping and handling charge, I think it was close or slightly above $300 for it. Session #5 has tons of interesting things, all 74 brass guns, decals for the hull, and lots of plastic and 3D printed parts. At first, I was disappointed by the presence of plastic parts, but they are very detailed and having them made of wood or cast metal would have been cost prohibitive. Yves mtaylor 1 Quote
Kusawa2000 Posted November 18, 2021 #98 Posted November 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Kevin said: ask Tom @cafmodel Figured as much.. thanks! Mike Draper mtaylor 1 Quote Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Member, Nautical Research Guild
Kusawa2000 Posted November 18, 2021 #99 Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, yvesvidal said: Mike, yes Session #5 is available and I ordered it directly from CAF Model. With the shipping and handling charge, I think it was close or slightly above $300 for it. Session #5 has tons of interesting things, all 74 brass guns, decals for the hull, and lots of plastic and 3D printed parts. At first, I was disappointed by the presence of plastic parts, but they are very detailed and having them made of wood or cast metal would have been cost prohibitive. Yves Yves; Thanks for the reply and detailing what is in Session 5. When I received session 2 I was surprised by the size of the gun carriages. The gun must be massive! I didnt appreciate how big this kit is. Having the spar deck 12 inches wide at the widest spot was mind boggling. Judging from your post the stern ornamentation and figurehead on the bow is also plastic? Keep up the great build log! Mike Draper mtaylor 1 Quote Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Member, Nautical Research Guild
PierreM Posted November 18, 2021 #100 Posted November 18, 2021 Bonjour Yves De ce qui précède j’ai cru comprendre que le kit était subdivisé en 5 parties achetées séparément. Est bien cela? Bravo pour ce qui est déjà achevé. Bonne continuation Mr Whippy 1 Quote
yvesvidal Posted November 18, 2021 Author #101 Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Kusawa2000 said: Judging from your post the stern ornamentation and figurehead on the bow is also plastic? That is correct Mike. Yves mtaylor 1 Quote
yvesvidal Posted November 18, 2021 Author #102 Posted November 18, 2021 50 minutes ago, PierreM said: Bonjour Yves De ce qui précède j’ai cru comprendre que le kit était subdivisé en 5 parties achetées séparément. Est bien cela? Bravo pour ce qui est déjà achevé. Pierre, yes the kit is made up of 5 sessions. In my humble opinion, it is not possible to assemble Session #1 without Session #2 and ideally Session #3. I have provided the dimensions between the top of the futtocks for each bulkhead and that is paramount for the success of this kit. Session #4 is, for the first time, offering a gorgeous scale 1:1 blueprint (top and side) of the model, with all its details. Yves Kusawa2000, JeffT and mtaylor 3 Quote
Kusawa2000 Posted November 18, 2021 #103 Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, yvesvidal said: Pierre, yes the kit is made up of 5 sessions. In my humble opinion, it is not possible to assemble Session #1 without Session #2 and ideally Session #3. I have provided the dimensions between the top of the futtocks for each bulkhead and that is paramount for the success of this kit. Session #4 is, for the first time, offering a gorgeous scale 1:1 blueprint (top and side) of the model, with all its details. Yves Yves: That is good news about the 1:1 blueprint of the model being in session #4. That will be a useful to have especially with the size and complexity of the hull construction. I noticed that was missing in session #1 and 2 when I opened up and inspected what I have received. MIKE mtaylor 1 Quote Mike Draper Whitehorse, Yukon Canada Member, Nautical Research Guild
yvesvidal Posted November 18, 2021 Author #104 Posted November 18, 2021 Since there seems to be a lot of interest and questions about the various Sessions, here is a quick rundown on what they offer: Session #3: SESSION #4: Yves hamilton, mtaylor, BobG and 2 others 5 Quote
yvesvidal Posted November 18, 2021 Author #105 Posted November 18, 2021 SESSION #5 This is the richest session and heaviest box: I am planning to follow the sessions independently. Every time I start a new session, I will describe the contents of the box, in greater details. Yves GrandpaPhil, hamilton, Kusawa2000 and 6 others 9 Quote
yvesvidal Posted November 18, 2021 Author #106 Posted November 18, 2021 Also, there was a question about the size of the large guns. I just started putting one together for fun: Multiple PE parts are also provided to finish the gun. Yves Patrick Haw, mtaylor, GrandpaPhil and 8 others 9 2 Quote
yvesvidal Posted November 25, 2021 Author #107 Posted November 25, 2021 Some progress on the planking. I almost finished one quadrant of the ship: Most of the planks were placed in this crude jig: A little dipping in pure alcohol and then placed between the nails - Four planks can fit nicely, while drying in shape. When released, they rebound a little bit, but are more willing to comply to the difficult shape of that hull. Now, I just have to do the other side, with more than 24 planks.... A first pass of "scraper" and some rough sanding took place. I am still debating if I will paint the hull (anti-worms white) or copper plate it. I would love to do the copper plating but need to learn about that process. Non-covered section of the hull may require a second planking made with 0.4 mm thick maple planks, provided in the kit. I still have plenty of time to think about it.... Yves mort stoll, Ian_Grant, mtaylor and 14 others 17 Quote
yvesvidal Posted December 1, 2021 Author #108 Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) Second quadrant completed. Of course, lots of sanding remains to be done.... but the overall shapes are there: I am leaning very strongly in favor of a coppered hull. Copper tiling has always been a fascination for me (the glittering of the metal...) and since Bellona was tiled later in its existence, it makes sense to try to do it. Besides my planking is far from being presentable as such and will require a second planking in the non-tiled sections (above the water line). I also suspect that the bow is going to be even more difficult to plank than the stern... Therefore, I am learning about the tiling process by reading what the members of this forum have done on their models. The deep blue is the one that matches the best, the English paint used on these period ships. Inside the hull, I am brushing some acrylic resin on the wood, to seal it and increase the bonding strength of the planks to the bulkheads. There is an enormous amount of pressure and tensions taking place and I do not wish the planks to start coming out, in a few months or years. Planking has been done with Thick and Quick Titebond glue (or is it Quick and Thick?) and I trust them to a certain point. The only glue I trust fully is the two components epoxy, slow curing glue. Before brushing the resin.... And after ! I noticed that the lime/poplar wood provided by CAF Model was occasionally splitting. Soaking that wood into resin is probably a good insurance for the long term. Interestingly, no resin seeped through the hull....indicating that it is waterproof. Just for fun, I could not resist trying the various gun deck pieces: And the Upper deck and misen mast: It is getting exciting.... Yves Edited December 1, 2021 by yvesvidal scrubbyj427, gjdale, Hubac's Historian and 11 others 13 1 Quote
yvesvidal Posted December 1, 2021 Author #109 Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) Oh, I forgot to present the stand.... available in Session #4 only..... Shame on CAF for that one, since you really need it during Session #2. On top of that they cannot even spell Bellona correctly.... Yves Edited December 1, 2021 by yvesvidal Chuck, robdurant, GrandpaPhil and 5 others 5 3 Quote
robdurant Posted December 1, 2021 #110 Posted December 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, yvesvidal said: they cannot even spell Bellona correctly This is a shame given that this kit seems to be the flagship model for CAF, and the stand part of how the model is displayed when finished ... Hopefully @cafmodel will pick up on this and fix it for future releases It looks good and sturdy, though. It's fascinating watching you work out all the steps required to construct this complex and large model. Thanks for sharing your progress with us all. mort stoll, Hubac's Historian, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Current build(s): Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler "Erycina" (Vanguard Models, 1:64) Paused on the lofting floor: HMS Bristol Portland class 50-Gun Ship (Scratch build, 1:64) Paused builds: Barque "Stefano" (MarisStella, 1:63) / Trawler "Nordkap" (Billings Boats, 1:50) / HMS Triton 28 gun frigate cross section (1:64) / F138, HMS Rapid Type 15 Fast Anti-Submarine Frigate (based on above Deans Marine hull, semi-scratch, 1:96) / HMS Mercury (1779) (Shipyard Models, Paper, 1:96) Previous builds: ἈΘΗΝΑ (Athena) (6th Century B.C.) Greek Bireme (Dusek, 1:72) / Zulu "Lady Isabella" (Vanguard Models, 1:64) / HMS Ethalion (1797) from HMS Diana (Caldercraft, 1:64) / HM Cutter Sherbourne (Caldercraft, 1:64) / Completed partially built Royal Yacht Caroline (Panart, 1:47) / HM Schooner Pickle (Caldercraft, 1:64) / M32, HMS Cottesmore MCMV (Sirmar / Fleetscale, Semi-scratch, 1:48) / D98, HMS York, Type 42 Destroyer (Dragon with White Ensign Photoetch, 1:700) / K166, HMCS Snowberry Flower Class Corvette (Revell, 1:72) / R97, HMS Grenville Fleet Destroyer (Deans Marine, 1:96)
CDW Posted December 1, 2021 #111 Posted December 1, 2021 Yves Just found your build log of this magnificent ship. Will eagerly follow along with your progress. mtaylor and yvesvidal 2 Quote Completed Projects: USS Fletcher 1:144 Scharnhorst 1:350 USS Independence LCS-2 1:350 1:32 J7W1 Shinden Interceptor/Fighter Fairey Swordfish Mk. II 1:48 Harbor Tug Box Scale Albatros D.V 1:32 Ala-Kart 1:25 Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder 1:24 S-100 Schnellboot 1:72 Mercury Capsule and Atlas Booster BR-52 Steam Locomotive 1:35 Triumph 3 HW Motorcycle 1:9 Scale F-16XL-2 Experimental Fighter Bomber 1:48 Rafale 1:48 F-15E Strike Eagle 1:48 Petlyakov PE-2 Soviet Dive Bomber 1:48 TBM3 Avenger 1:32 1931 Cadillac 1:25 Scammell Pioneer SV2S Heavy Breakdown Tractor 1:35 M-50 Israeli Sherman 1:35 Military Wrecker 1:32 Delahaye 135 1:24 Toyota Sard Supra GT 1:24 Enzo Ferrari 1:24 1970 Baldwin Motion Camaro 1:25 1966 Ford Galaxie 500 Stock Car 1:25 American LaFrance Eagle Fire Pumper 1:25 1940 Ford Standard Coupe 1:25 VolksWagen Dragster/Dune Buggy/Street Rod 1:25 Kawasaki Ninja H2 Carbon 1:12 Porsche GT-1 Evo 1:24 Scharnhorst 1940 1:700 IJN Akitsushima Seaplane Tender 1:700 HMS Hood 1941 1:700 Prinz Eugen 1942 1:700
John Ruy Posted December 1, 2021 #112 Posted December 1, 2021 1 hour ago, yvesvidal said: It is getting exciting.... Yves Wow! Nice work. She is coming along quite nicely. 👍 mtaylor and yvesvidal 2 Quote Gallery Photos of My Charles W Morgan Currently working on New Bedford Whale Boat
yvesvidal Posted December 1, 2021 Author #113 Posted December 1, 2021 I just glued the rear gun deck section. The hull has been coated with resin and so the deck can be installed permanently: The figures (AMATI 35 mm) may be a tad too small, although 35 mm is about right for 1/48th scale: A goofy picture: Yves hamilton, scrubbyj427, mtaylor and 7 others 9 1 Quote
Tim Moore Posted December 1, 2021 #114 Posted December 1, 2021 Wow substantial build Yves, excellent work as usual! I love the way you go big. Nothing wrong with that planking. How is the house addition coming to house your models. yvesvidal, mtaylor and Kevin 2 1 Quote Tim Moore Perfect is the enemy of good In progress DH.9a Ninak, 1/32, Wingnut Wings Docked for Repairs IJN Pre-Dreadnought Battleship Mikasa, 1:200, Hobby Boss On Deck The Blue Sky Company, 1:48, Sierra West Models Completed Triumph 3HW, 1/9, Italeri; Fiat 806 Grand Prix 1:12, Italeri; Fifie 1:32, Amati Victory Model; HMS Bounty 1:48, Artesania Latina; Endeavour 1:60; Corel; Miss Severn 1:8, Legend Model Boats; Calypso, Billing Boats; Carmen Fishing Trawler, A.L. ; Dallas Revenue Cutter, A.L., Bluenose, A.L.
Kevin Posted December 1, 2021 #115 Posted December 1, 2021 very nice i have never seen a successful planking done like that lovely work yvesvidal and mtaylor 2 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat
Hubac's Historian Posted December 1, 2021 #116 Posted December 1, 2021 Very nicely done! I appreciate your fail-safe approach to glueing. I am similarly inclined. yvesvidal and mtaylor 2 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time.
yvesvidal Posted December 2, 2021 Author #117 Posted December 2, 2021 (edited) Well, there is not much I can do at the stern at this stage of the hull building: It is time to move the construction crew to the bow: Yves Edited December 2, 2021 by yvesvidal BenD, JpR62, Hubac's Historian and 6 others 9 Quote
mtaylor Posted December 2, 2021 #118 Posted December 2, 2021 Looks great, Yves. Is the whole hull double planked in the kit or "parts of it"? Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
yvesvidal Posted December 3, 2021 Author #119 Posted December 3, 2021 5 hours ago, mtaylor said: Looks great, Yves. Is the whole hull double planked in the kit or "parts of it"? Mike, Nothing is double planked. The hull is supposed to be copper tiled and that is probably where I am going. Above the water line, I am planning to use the maple planks of 0.4 mm thick (same width as the main limewood planks, 8 mm) and pretend to have a nicer planking arrangement. We will see how it goes. Yves Hubac's Historian 1 Quote
mtaylor Posted December 3, 2021 #120 Posted December 3, 2021 Ah... thanks for the info. That sounds like a good plan on your part. Hubac's Historian 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
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