rafine Posted February 20, 2014 Author #421 Posted February 20, 2014 Thanks Ken. The cabin planks stay as is. I'm planning on leaving at least half the deck over the cabin open so there should be some view of it. Thanks Sjors. I've tried to see both sides at once,but it doesn't work so well. I only know there are differences because some of the parts aren't exactly identical from one side to the other. Bob Sjors and egkb 2 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Mirabell61 Posted February 20, 2014 #422 Posted February 20, 2014 A very nice and handsome build Bob, it is a delight to follow you build log well done! Nils Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
patrickmil Posted February 20, 2014 #423 Posted February 20, 2014 Bob, that is some sweet progress. The cabin and galleries look fantastic. Quote Thanks, Patrick YouTube Channel for fun: Patrick's Scale Studio Finished: Model Shipways US Brig Niagara I Love Kit USS Curtis Wilbur DDG-54 Current: Trumpeter USS Yorktown CV-5
augie Posted February 20, 2014 #424 Posted February 20, 2014 Cabin, galleries, stern --- all first class. I may have missed it, did you glaze the windows? Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
WackoWolf Posted February 20, 2014 #425 Posted February 20, 2014 Excellent work, very nice clean and crisp detail. Keep the pictures coming. Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :)
Rustyj Posted February 20, 2014 #426 Posted February 20, 2014 Very nice Bob! I'm loving it. Quote Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
NMBROOK Posted February 20, 2014 #427 Posted February 20, 2014 Fabulous work Bob!!!!!! Kind Regards Nigel Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline
mtaylor Posted February 21, 2014 #428 Posted February 21, 2014 Bob, Phenomenal!! As for what to do next, may I suggest admire your work before pressing on? That is one sweet ship. Martin W, gjdale and NMBROOK 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
NMBROOK Posted February 21, 2014 #429 Posted February 21, 2014 I have to agree with Mark on this one Bob,if there was ever a time to sit back,chill and admire your handywork with your favourite tipple,this is it Kind Regards Nigel augie and Martin W 2 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline
rafine Posted February 21, 2014 Author #430 Posted February 21, 2014 Wow. Thanks to all for the very generous comments and the "likes". They are so appreciated. Mark and Nigel: Time to tip one back (always), but not to stop working, Even a retired guy has to have a day job. Bob NMBROOK 1 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
NMBROOK Posted February 21, 2014 #431 Posted February 21, 2014 Wow. Thanks to all for the very generous comments and the "likes". They are so appreciated. Mark and Nigel: Time to tip one back (always), but not to stop working, Even a retired guy has to have a day job. Bob Not at the same time Bob!modeling is not recommended whilst under the influence Kind Regards Nigel rafine 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline
hamilton Posted February 24, 2014 #432 Posted February 24, 2014 Gorgeous work on the quarter galleries, transom and cabin! hamilton Quote current builds: Corel HMS Bellona (1780); Admiralty models Echo cross-section (semi-scratch) previous builds: MS Phantom (scuttled, 2017); MS Sultana (1767); Corel Brittany Sloop (scuttled, 2022); MS Kate Cory; MS Armed Virginia Sloop (in need of a refit); Corel Flattie; Mamoli Gretel; Amati Bluenose (1921) (scuttled, 2023); AL San Francisco (destroyed by land krakens [i.e., cats]); Corel Toulonnaise (1823); MS Glad Tidings (1937) (in need of a refit); HMS Blandford (1719) from Corel HMS Greyhound; Fair Rosamund (1832) from OcCre Dos Amigos (missing in action); Amati Hannah (ship in a bottle); Mamoli America (1851); Bluenose fishing schooner (1921) (scratch); Off-Centre Sailing Skiff (scratch) under the bench: MS Emma C Barry; MS USS Constitution; MS Flying Fish; Corel Berlin; a wood supplier Colonial Schooner Hannah; Victory Models H.M.S. Fly; CAF Models HMS Granado; MS USS Confederacy
rafine Posted February 24, 2014 Author #433 Posted February 24, 2014 Thanks Hamilton. I miss seeing updates on your Blandford. Bob hamilton 1 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
hamilton Posted February 25, 2014 #434 Posted February 25, 2014 Thanks for the thought, Bob - haven't had much time for the Blandford between family and work....too much going on at the moment - quite amazing how the leisure time evaporates....I have done work on it, but not a whole heck of a much.....I'll post something soon, if only to keep my build log active.... hamilton rafine and egkb 2 Quote current builds: Corel HMS Bellona (1780); Admiralty models Echo cross-section (semi-scratch) previous builds: MS Phantom (scuttled, 2017); MS Sultana (1767); Corel Brittany Sloop (scuttled, 2022); MS Kate Cory; MS Armed Virginia Sloop (in need of a refit); Corel Flattie; Mamoli Gretel; Amati Bluenose (1921) (scuttled, 2023); AL San Francisco (destroyed by land krakens [i.e., cats]); Corel Toulonnaise (1823); MS Glad Tidings (1937) (in need of a refit); HMS Blandford (1719) from Corel HMS Greyhound; Fair Rosamund (1832) from OcCre Dos Amigos (missing in action); Amati Hannah (ship in a bottle); Mamoli America (1851); Bluenose fishing schooner (1921) (scratch); Off-Centre Sailing Skiff (scratch) under the bench: MS Emma C Barry; MS USS Constitution; MS Flying Fish; Corel Berlin; a wood supplier Colonial Schooner Hannah; Victory Models H.M.S. Fly; CAF Models HMS Granado; MS USS Confederacy
rafine Posted February 25, 2014 Author #435 Posted February 25, 2014 For no particular reason, I decided to do the rudder next. I used the kit rudder piece, which was shaped, painted and coppered. I added three ringbolts ( which don't show up on my photos at all). The pintles and gudgeons are simplified as a concession to scale and done with copper tape, eyebolts and wire. The chains are attached to one of the ringbolts. I used a smaller chain than that provided in the kit, which I had on hand. Bob dafi, Mirabell61, Barbossa and 16 others 19 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
patrickmil Posted February 25, 2014 #436 Posted February 25, 2014 That looks really nice. Let me ask you... Is the copper for the pintles and gudgeons more authentic? I've thought that we all reproduce these pieces in black to simulate iron and figured that they would rust away in no time if they really were made of iron. Quote Thanks, Patrick YouTube Channel for fun: Patrick's Scale Studio Finished: Model Shipways US Brig Niagara I Love Kit USS Curtis Wilbur DDG-54 Current: Trumpeter USS Yorktown CV-5
rafine Posted February 25, 2014 Author #437 Posted February 25, 2014 Thanks Patrick and Dirk. I believe that Dirk is correct and that iron would be right if the bottom were not coppered. Bob Jaxboat 1 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
trippwj Posted February 25, 2014 #438 Posted February 25, 2014 While I have not found (yet) the composition of the pintles and gudgeons in The Essex Papers, they were supplied by Paul Revere who provided the majority of the copper work (plates, bolts &c.) for the Essex. All of the references I could locate indicated he was supplying copper products only, with the iron materials coming from a foundry in Salem. Spikes were provided for 50 cents and 39 cents for rudder braces and pintles. WackoWolf, mtaylor and egkb 3 Quote WayneNeither should a ship rely on one small anchor, nor should life rest on a single hope.Epictetus
Blue Ensign Posted February 26, 2014 #439 Posted February 26, 2014 Nice work on the rudder Bob, and the chain scale looks about right, interesting to see the pendants fitted thro' a hole in the hull. I think I would try and get the rudder closer to the stern post perhaps by countersinking the eyebolts deeper into the stern post. The gap looks a tad large to my eye. Cheers, B.E. mtaylor and Blue Pilot 2 Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
aliluke Posted February 26, 2014 #440 Posted February 26, 2014 Hi Bob Amazing work all round - I enjoy. I'm intrigued by the rope off the end of the chains. Pendants, as B.E calls them - no doubt the correct term. These are correct in all ways I'm sure but I've never seen that detail before. Can you enlighten on the source of this detail and why it was so? Cheers Alistair Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log)
rafine Posted February 26, 2014 Author #441 Posted February 26, 2014 Thanks for the info Wayne. Thanks B.E. and Alistair. The laniard passes through the hull and is tied off internally (I didn't). It is shown by Sam and by AOTS. Syren has similar laniards which pass over the bulwarks, rather than through them. The photos seem to magnify the separation B.E, but I will give some thought to what you say. Bob Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
uss frolick Posted February 26, 2014 #442 Posted February 26, 2014 I've never seen a kit so cleanly and precisely done. Fantastic job! Quote
rafine Posted February 26, 2014 Author #443 Posted February 26, 2014 Thanks so much Frolick for the very kind words. They are much appreciated. Bob Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Gahm Posted February 28, 2014 #444 Posted February 28, 2014 Wow! The stern and quarter galleries of your Essex look fantastic! Very well done! Thomas Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864)
Mirabell61 Posted February 28, 2014 #445 Posted February 28, 2014 For no particular reason, I decided to do the rudder next. I used the kit rudder piece, which was shaped, painted and coppered. I added three ringbolts ( which don't show up on my photos at all). The pintles and gudgeons are simplified as a concession to scale and done with copper tape, eyebolts and wire. The chains are attached to one of the ringbolts. I used a smaller chain than that provided in the kit, which I had on hand. Bob Nice looking coppering Bob, are those tiles ponced by yourself ? (using tape) Nils Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
wq3296 Posted February 28, 2014 #446 Posted February 28, 2014 Greetings Bob, Reference is made to C. Nepean Longridge's book on the building of the definitive model of Victory. On page 57, he references making the P&Gs out of sheet copper for his model, so you are in good company. However, he painted them black as seen in the pictures of the model, apparently to simulate cast iron. Further, pictures of the actual ship in the book show that the P&Gs were were probably cast iron. If you see the pictures, note that the components have sharp corners and angles typical of a purpose built casting. I doubt that copper was used for P&Gs on large ships simply because it lacks sufficient strength. On the other hand, cast bronze would work and we know that it was used to cast bells, guns, etc. during that time period, and is still used today for many marine applications. Bronze is a copper alloy containing tin, and would not promote galvanic action as would the iron. I wonder if it was ever used for P&Gs? Essex is a later ship than Victory, but I expect the same construction methods would apply. Nice work, by the way. wq3296 Quote
rafine Posted February 28, 2014 Author #447 Posted February 28, 2014 Thanks Thomas, Nils and wq3296. Nils, the copper is tape embossed by a block with cut off nails. Bob Mirabell61 1 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
rafine Posted March 1, 2014 Author #448 Posted March 1, 2014 Time to start making guns. After searching around for barrels to replace the kit castings, I could find none that closely matched the sizes needed. As a result, I had two choices: use the castings or make my own. In this case, I chose to try to use the castings. After a lot of filing, drilling out the bore and adding the rings for the breeching rope to the button, the barrels looked acceptable to my eye. They were then painted black. Next came the question of the carriages. This time, I decided not to use the kit parts, but to use the laser cut pear carriage kits from the Lumberyard. Here again, because of the odd scale of the kit (1:76.8), finding a size match was a bit of trial and error. I ended up using their 1:64 6 lb carriages. These still required some modification to allow the barrels to fit. After assembly and finish with Wipe-on Poly, I added the eyebolts, ringbolts and the quoin handles (these were done with the smallest brass belaying pins that I had on hand). The bolt heads on the carriages were done with a fine tip marker. The barrels were then glued in place and the cap squares added using black painted tape ( another concession to the very small size of these pieces). I'm going to rig these guns with blocks and rigging line from Chuck. Sizes are again the issue and I'm now awaiting my second order from Chuck to pick what I want to use. Bob hamilton, KenW, mtaylor and 18 others 21 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Sjors Posted March 1, 2014 #449 Posted March 1, 2014 Can i have 52 of those Bob ? They are looking great ! I think they belongs to the Aggy NMBROOK 1 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre
gjdale Posted March 1, 2014 #450 Posted March 1, 2014 Neat solution Bob. They look great. Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
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