Ogontz Posted February 11 Share #1 Posted February 11 Greetings to all! Has anyone else received an email from Occre announcing their new model ship release on Feb 18? The email claims that it's a "legendary" ship that's been known by many names. I'm quite suprised that Occre would release something new after the high end offering of HMS Victory mere months ago. Occre seems very aggressive in releasing new items to the public which is certainly fine with me. Anyone with an opinion as to what it might be? GrandpaPhil, mtaylor and JeffT 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentM Posted February 11 Share #2 Posted February 11 I received an email also. Didn't seem to have any hints to the legendary ship. Guess we will see in 1 week. Kent GrandpaPhil and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco_van_H Posted February 12 Share #3 Posted February 12 They are announcing it on their website already, but no further hints. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogontz Posted February 12 Author Share #4 Posted February 12 I'm wondering of this might be HMS Britannia launched in 1762. She was renamed HMS Princess Royal in 1812. Then remamed HMS St George later in 1812. Then renamed again in 1819 as the HMS Barfleur. She also participated in the battles of Cape Spartel, Genoa, Cape St Vincent and the battle of Trafalgar. I like the way in which Occre presents these new releases - they make you think! KentM and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco_van_H Posted February 12 Share #5 Posted February 12 Perhaps HMS Sovereign of the Seas/Sovereign/Royal Sovereign? mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogontz Posted February 14 Author Share #6 Posted February 14 It very well could be! It's as good a guess as any. I'm hoping Occre will issue another hint or two before the reveal mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco_van_H Posted February 14 Share #7 Posted February 14 A little bit more from Facebook. 1/86, similar scale to the new HMS Victory, but a smaller ship. JeffT, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMontanese Posted February 15 Share #8 Posted February 15 I think it will be the San Felipe 1690, they make it for Deagostini and the ship is 83cm long🤫 Canute, Marco_van_H, JeffT and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfish073 Posted February 17 Share #9 Posted February 17 Could it be HMS Surprise late Unite? A wild hope but I can dream, can’t I? Looking forward to the announcement. Canute, JeffT and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGibson Posted February 18 Share #10 Posted February 18 (edited) No website updates... and it's past their 7:00 CEST announcement time... <shrug> EDIT: But just got an email from Model Expo... pre-order for OcCre's San Felipe 1/86. OcCre still hasn't updated their own website. 2nd Edit: OcCre's website now updated. Looks like a nice kit! 👍 Edited February 18 by GGibson Canute, JeffT and mtaylor 3 Quote Gregg Current Projects: Completed Projects: Waiting for Shipyard Clearance: Bluenose 1921 1:64 - Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 - Model Shipways Yacht America Schooner 1851 1:64 - Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1:24 - Model Shipways RMS Titanic 1:300 - OcCre (Couldn't help myself when it was on sale) H.M. Schooner Ballahoo 1:64 - Caldercraft USS Constitution 1:76 - Model Shipways Santa Maria Caravelle 1:48 - Ships of Pavel Nikitin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogontz Posted February 18 Author Share #11 Posted February 18 Mike Montanese - you were correct! Well done. Model Expo is offering the kit for $499. 99 with a free set of Occre paints and stains as well as free shipping. The model itself is 32.5 inches long JeffT, Canute, GGibson and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius359au Posted February 19 Share #12 Posted February 19 Just looked at the model on Occre's site ,not sure if it's just a prototype issue and someone wasn't paying attention but there's guns directly behind deadeye's and their lanyards. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted February 19 Share #13 Posted February 19 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Darius359au said: Just looked at the model on Occre's site ,not sure if it's just a prototype issue and someone wasn't paying attention but there's guns directly behind deadeye's and their lanyards. The price seems favorable and I really hope it turns out to sell well for them, but there looks to be a number of other inaccurate things including the size and number of rudder hinges, the gun patterns, belaying pins, which were not used in that time period, missing wooden bands above and below the rope wooldings, gratings with huge openings that would break an ankle in a heart beat and more. I wonder why they chose to add another version of San Felipe rather than something different that has not be put out in kit form up to now. Allan Edited February 19 by allanyed Canute 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted February 19 Share #14 Posted February 19 I built the Panart about 20yrs ago. Let's just say that if I could make a choice today, I'd stick with the Panart. This was mine. Please forgive me for the poor quality photos. This was an old Sony point and snap camera. Look at the proportions of the stern decor to the area they sit in. Compare to the new kit. Dave B, Canute, scrubbyj427 and 9 others 11 1 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrochBoating Posted February 19 Share #15 Posted February 19 Am I being unkind that it looks rather like the ones that go past on Facebook Reels being built for tourists in Vietnam? Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Simon. Current build HM Cutter Trial - Vanguard Models Previous: Saucy Jack - Vanguard Models Polaris - OcCre In the stash: HMS Speedy v2023 - Vanguard Models Nisha - Vanguard Models HM Gun Brig Adder - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogontz Posted February 19 Author Share #16 Posted February 19 Hello James H, I rather liked this new Occre release bc of the balcony style stern galleries - we don't seem to see this very often these days. But now having seen your Panart work of art, I'm inclined to rescind my approval of Occre's rendition. I think we've officially crossed over into a time that unless we're willing to pay close to or above $1000, the kits that we plebians can afford will be of diminishing quality in both design and materials. mtaylor, Canute and thibaultron 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted February 19 Share #17 Posted February 19 38 minutes ago, Ogontz said: Hello James H, I rather liked this new Occre release bc of the balcony style stern galleries - we don't seem to see this very often these days. But now having seen your Panart work of art, I'm inclined to rescind my approval of Occre's rendition. I think we've officially crossed over into a time that unless we're willing to pay close to or above $1000, the kits that we plebians can afford will be of diminishing quality in both design and materials. Large 3-decker kits have always been around the $1000 price, at the very least, because they are large 3 deckers. Anything much cheaper will have compromises. I saved up for months back in the early '90's for the Sergal Sovereign of the Seas, (back then, it was very normal to save up for what you wanted) it cost me £550. Taking into account inflation since then, that comes to around £1150 today. mtaylor, scrubbyj427, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uss frolick Posted February 19 Share #18 Posted February 19 Why would anyone chose 1/86 as a scale these days? thibaultron, mugje, allanyed and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted February 19 Share #19 Posted February 19 51 minutes ago, chris watton said: I saved up for months back in the early '90's for the Sergal Sovereign of the Seas, (back then, it was very normal to save up for what you wanted) it cost me £550. Taking into account inflation since then, that comes to around £1150 today. I bought my Panart kit in Lido di Jesolo in 2002/3 for the equivalent of £350. The kit at the time was nearer £450 in the UK, so it was a bit of a bargain. I only needed 2 or 3 hotel towels and bin bags to wrap it in for the flight back 😆 The kit today is £740. Canute, thibaultron, ccoyle and 2 others 5 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrochBoating Posted February 19 Share #20 Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Ogontz said: I think we've officially crossed over into a time that unless we're willing to pay close to or above $1000, the kits that we plebians can afford will be of diminishing quality in both design and materials. There never has been a time when a good kit (not been in boats long but done plenty of other sorts) has been cheap. Cheap kits are exactly that. mtaylor, allanyed, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Simon. Current build HM Cutter Trial - Vanguard Models Previous: Saucy Jack - Vanguard Models Polaris - OcCre In the stash: HMS Speedy v2023 - Vanguard Models Nisha - Vanguard Models HM Gun Brig Adder - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted February 19 Share #21 Posted February 19 I don't like to speak ill of any legitimate kit manufacturer, because I truly do appreciate the service they provide for modelers who can't scratch build or who otherwise just decide not to. But in this case I'm left wondering: Why? Why bring a kit to market that is neither a novel subject nor an improvement on an existing kit from a competitor? It makes little sense to me. Following on the heels of their equally unmoving Victory kit, this feels like two swings and two misses from the OcCre design department. But I'll leave it to the market to decide the fate of this new offering. James H, thibaultron, mugje and 7 others 9 1 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted February 19 Share #22 Posted February 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, ccoyle said: Why bring a kit to market that is neither a novel subject nor an improvement on an existing kit from a competitor? Well said Chris! Edited February 19 by allanyed Canute, mtaylor and thibaultron 3 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffT Posted February 19 Share #23 Posted February 19 I have the panart kit also. Picked it up for $350 US dollars some years ago. The stern alone is far superior to the Occre offering. scrubbyj427, thibaultron, allanyed and 2 others 5 Quote Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold_Fire Posted February 20 Share #24 Posted February 20 10 hours ago, uss frolick said: Why would anyone chose 1/86 as a scale these days? It's a model that has at least 15 years. They have put inside a box a partworks collection they made for Altaya / Planeta (DeAgostini group) many years ago. mtaylor, thibaultron, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted February 20 Share #25 Posted February 20 It's definitely the same kit that was out a good few years ago, sold as a magazine part-work by DeAgostini. Not exactly a 'new' release either. It's around 130mm shorter than the Panart kit, so that might be attractive to those who can't house the 960mm Panart kit, but there also appears to be quite a few trade offs too. Panart's kit layout is generally excellent, with things that appear to be in proportion to the vessel, and in positions that appear to be practical. I do know there have been some changes to Panart's kit in the past years, some for the better and some for the worse. Here's what I see with the OcCre kit. There is rig directly in front of gun openings. Clunky, oversized grates. Some cannon sit right in front of those oversize grates, so no chance for the recoil roll after firing. Unrealistic antiqued metal hinged port lids that were commonplace on kits from 30 - 40yrs ago. Strangely proportioned stern where the decor looks odd. Out of scale deck planking. Strange shaped metal cast boats with bizarrely wide gunwales, and thwarts that are sat way too high in hull, directly under those gunwales. That thin veneer style planking used on the external layer, as opposed to actual planks. etc. etc. I know that many will get some real pleasure out of the new OcCre kit, and I wish them all the best with it, but overall, the kit seems to already look like of of the most aged legacy kits, in a time where we can do so much more. The price probably reflects the overall standard of materials and parts supplied....possibly. It's rare that I'll pass comment on a new release like this, without actually seeing the kit at first hand, but as I knew the Panart kit so well, I felt compelled to reply. OcCre: Panart: BobG, ccoyle, GGibson and 8 others 10 1 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted February 22 Share #26 Posted February 22 From what I understand the San Felipe of 1690 did not actually exist. Why not release a kit of a Spanish 3-decker from that time period that actually existed? mtaylor, Canute and thibaultron 3 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) On the building slip: 1:72 French Ironclad Magenta (original shipyard plans) On hold: 1:98 Mantua HMS Victory (kit bash), 1:96 Shipyard HMS Mercury Favorite finished builds: 1:60 Sampang Good Fortune (Amati plans), 1:200 Orel Ironclad Solferino, 1:72 Schooner Hannah (Hahn plans), 1:72 Privateer Prince de Neufchatel (Chapelle plans), Model Shipways Sultana, Heller La Reale, Encore USS Olympia Goal: Become better than I was yesterday "The hardest part is deciding to try." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted February 22 Share #27 Posted February 22 5 hours ago, GrandpaPhil said: From what I understand the San Felipe of 1690 did not actually exist. Why not release a kit of a Spanish 3-decker from that time period that actually existed? It apparently did exist, but much of what you see in that design, is based upon Panart's interpretation of the vessel. Canute, GrandpaPhil, thibaultron and 1 other 3 1 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapman Posted February 22 Share #28 Posted February 22 Why not build another Spanish three-decker like that, based on better sources and a modern reconstruction? The Nuestra Señora de la Concepción y de las Ánimas! The reconstruction made it into the spanish naval museum, and Dusek (MSW partner) released a kit of it. Canute, uss frolick, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted February 23 Share #29 Posted February 23 15 hours ago, Chapman said: Why not build another Spanish three-decker like that, based on better sources and a modern reconstruction? Because developing a totally new kit is very costly? Put a bunch of old parts in a new box and see who bites.. You might make enough money to develop a new kit. mtaylor, thibaultron, Canute and 1 other 1 3 Quote “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake (Scratch From MS Plans On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted February 23 Share #30 Posted February 23 I see from picture #2 in post #25 - the idiosyncratic, bizarre, and distracting deck plank pattern - so often seen in OcCre product build logs: alternating butts on the same beam, stark contrast - highway width caulking, teacup diameter trunnels only at a butt joint - is not a misunderstanding on the part of beginning modelers? It is something that OcCre itself propagates! Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote NRG member 45 years Current: HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 ship - timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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