mtaylor Posted January 16, 2015 Author #781 Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) I didn't hear anyone offer to pay for wood, and If you're not getting paid, is it really work? Bob True...no mention of money. But, let's not get philosophical... Edited January 16, 2015 by mtaylor GLakie, CaptainSteve and captainbob 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
popeye the sailor Posted January 18, 2015 #782 Posted January 18, 2015 let's see.........you make the wood for yourself..........some one likes it and you make some for him......but you don't get paid....hmmmmm sounds like a sub-phylum from the original hobby ***********************************wait for it**************************that would make you a pl-anthropist! augie, CaptainSteve, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
GLakie Posted January 19, 2015 #783 Posted January 19, 2015 LOL!!! mtaylor 1 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
mtaylor Posted January 22, 2015 Author #784 Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) Update.. we ain't dead in the water yet..!!! After milling my wood, I spent a fair amount of time sorting out how to put this together.. the wales. There's 12 strakes that start off a 3/32" thick and as they go down to the main hull planking, they thin to 1/16" which is the "normal" planking thickness. Above the main wales, the upper works planking is 1/32" thick. After much experimentation and sorting things out, my approach is below. First two pics are how I clamp things down... This one shows the actual planking... hang with me, there's issues that I know have to be resolved due to some gaps. 1) is the second strake of wales. Solid swiss pear. 2) is the underlayment of 1/32" thick Swiss Pear. This is for the top strake of wales. 3) is the first of the planking for the upper works. Forward of the first port will be heavier planking going from the wales upward (last photo which is from Karl's build of Bohomme Richard.) 4) Ebony for the top wale. It's 1/16" thick to make it easier to bend than the full thickness of the strake. The issues are the end of the ebony needs adjusting. For some reason it drooped while getting it into place. And there's piece near the stem on the second wale where pear split. I'm not overly concerned about it as the bolster for the hawse pipes goes over that. The whole thing will need sanding and smoothing but for now, I'm going to continue on and finish running these to the stern and then get the other side done. I'm also still sorting out clamps. Seems I broke two frames in the process of getting things glue up. I have to not put so much force on those clamps. As always, feel free to click on the pics to enlarge and criticism, different ideas, etc. are always welcome. I'm still learning this stuff. Edited January 22, 2015 by mtaylor Sjors, janos, dgbot and 31 others 34 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
BANYAN Posted January 22, 2015 #785 Posted January 22, 2015 The attention and detail you are lavishing on her should result in a very nice planking Mark. Still hangin' there cheers Pat GLakie and mtaylor 2 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
augie Posted January 22, 2015 #786 Posted January 22, 2015 The varying of the thicknesses is an interesting challenge. I don't envy you working with the ebony but, in the final analysis it's going to look great. Rooting for you! mtaylor and GLakie 2 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
GLakie Posted January 22, 2015 #787 Posted January 22, 2015 I'm going to echo what the other guys have said, and also add that maybe that ebony plank could be flipped end for end to correct those drops. In the pic, it almost looks like it's curved downward at the ends. Probably just me! Cheers mtaylor 1 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
mtaylor Posted January 22, 2015 Author #788 Posted January 22, 2015 Thanks for the "likes". The attention and detail you are lavishing on her should result in a very nice planking Mark. Still hangin' there cheers Pat Thanks Pat. I've still got my fingers crossed... Next ship won't be French so hopefully the planking will be easier. The varying of the thicknesses is an interesting challenge. I don't envy you working with the ebony but, in the final analysis it's going to look great. Rooting for you! Thanks Augie. It is a challenge.. But, I wanted the wale's line to highlight their curve. I'm going to echo what the other guys have said, and also add that maybe that ebony plank could be flipped end for end to correct those drops. In the pic, it almost looks like it's curved downward at the ends. Probably just me! Cheers Thanks George. It's the way the plank runs and twists. I am going to run a file over it and get it looking more even as well as sand everything since there's some unevenness in thickness due to the bends and twists. Since this is the first side, I may use it for the "wall side" as I'll do my experimentation here. :D kiwiron, WackoWolf, GLakie and 3 others 6 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
cog Posted January 22, 2015 #789 Posted January 22, 2015 The ebony ... couldn't you use a longer plank. Like this you miss leverage to follow the strake. Furthermore, you cannot file/sand/cut it into line for the other side won't line-up. Nice chalenges again mtaylor and GLakie 2 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
popeye the sailor Posted January 22, 2015 #790 Posted January 22, 2015 it's still early Mark.........still time for that idea you haven't thought of yet, to come to the surface your planking now......you've come further than you did in V1..........that counts for a lot! very nice start mtaylor, GLakie, CaptainSteve and 1 other 4 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
Omega1234 Posted January 22, 2015 #791 Posted January 22, 2015 Hi Mark You may well say "As always, feel free to click on the pics to enlarge and criticism, different ideas, etc. are always welcome. I'm still learning this stuff.", but believe me, I think we're learning just as much from you as you are from us. I'm really enjoying seeing your ship grow before our eyes, photo by photo and, with it, I'm gaining as much knowledge and insight as possible in terms of perserverance and effort. As far as the issues that you're having now, I'm sure that they'll be ironed out in no time at all. All the best! Patrick GLakie, Canute, CaptainSteve and 3 others 6 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora
Guest Tim I. Posted January 22, 2015 #792 Posted January 22, 2015 Mark, Just getting caught up. Your Licorne looks fantastic! - Tim Quote
mtaylor Posted January 23, 2015 Author #793 Posted January 23, 2015 Thanks Tim for the comment and to everyone for the "likes". The ebony ... couldn't you use a longer plank. Like this you miss leverage to follow the strake. Furthermore, you cannot file/sand/cut it into line for the other side won't line-up. Nice chalenges again I do start with a longer plank and then bend it to shape. The ends that don't get bent get removed and the planked is checked for length, Carl. I think if they don't line up, one of two things will happen... I'll either shape the other side to match, or rip it off and have another go. it's still early Mark.........still time for that idea you haven't thought of yet, to come to the surface your planking now......you've come further than you did in V1..........that counts for a lot! very nice start I think you're right Denis. I'm beyond V1. Well into the Twilight Zone. Hi MarkYou may well say "As always, feel free to click on the pics to enlarge and criticism, different ideas, etc. are always welcome. I'm still learning this stuff.", but believe me, I think we're learning just as much from you as you are from us. I'm really enjoying seeing your ship grow before our eyes, photo by photo and, with it, I'm gaining as much knowledge and insight as possible in terms of perserverance and effort.As far as the issues that you're having now, I'm sure that they'll be ironed out in no time at all.All the best!Patrick Thanks Patrick. They're being ironed out as I go. I do find that I tend to post the "not good" stuff as well as the "good" stuff. I think it's part of the learning curve and finding pitfalls. The really nice thing... perhaps the biggest thing about MSW is that we all learn from each other. Back to planking... Omega1234, CaptainSteve, GLakie and 3 others 6 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
JPett Posted January 23, 2015 #794 Posted January 23, 2015 Ahoy Mark It is truly an amazing project you have here. An absolute pleasure to follow. Sorry to see the crack but we all know these things happen and generally only make us better in the end. I am sure you will weather this small squall As for your Ebony I am not sure if its correct to use spile and ebony in the same sentence but I am wondering if this might be that exception to the rule. Good luck and happy sailing CaptainSteve, mtaylor and GLakie 3 Quote On with the Show.... J.Pett “If you're going through hell, keep going” (Winston Churchill) Current build: MS Rattlesnake (MS2028) http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/45-model-shipways-rattlesnake-ms2028-scale-164th/ Side Build: HMS Victory: Corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3709-hms-victory-by-jpett-corel-198/?p=104762 On the back burner: 1949 Chris Craft Racer: Dumas http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/939-1949-chris-craft-racer-by-jpett-dumas-kit-no-1702/ Sometime, but not sure when: Frigate Berlin: Corel http://www.corel-srl.it/pdf/berlin.pdf
michael mott Posted January 23, 2015 #795 Posted January 23, 2015 Looks like you are making some good progress Mark, we all do the dance one way or another. Michael mtaylor and GLakie 2 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
riverboat Posted January 23, 2015 #796 Posted January 23, 2015 For someone just learning this stuff, you seem to be doing exceptionally well. I don't know enough about what you're doing so I can't really offer you any constructive criticism, so I'll just sit back and enjoy your work. ( maybe I'll learn something ) Frank GLakie, mtaylor and Sjors 3 Quote completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat HMAT SUPPLY USRC "ALERT" in progress: Red Dragon (Chinese junk)
mtaylor Posted January 23, 2015 Author #797 Posted January 23, 2015 Thanks for the feedback and the "likes". JPett, spiling is an option but at this point, I just use a file sometimes in place, other times, remove the plank, shape and re-fit. After I get these first two wales done, I'll mark off the hull and then have to do tapering, spiling, etc. As Michael says, we all do the dance... Between translating the Belle-Poule monograph and planking, I'm keeping fairly busy and somedays, its seems like I don't get much done. Interesting material in the Belle-Poule monograph. The rigging plan is radically different then Le Venus that Hahn used. I see I'll need some feed-through sheaves amongst other things. GLakie, Omega1234 and avsjerome2003 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
NenadM Posted January 23, 2015 #798 Posted January 23, 2015 "... I don't know enough about what you're doing ... so I'll just sit back and enjoy your work. ( maybe I'll learn something ) Frank I echo that loud!!!! GLakie, mtaylor and CaptainSteve 3 Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic
cog Posted January 23, 2015 #799 Posted January 23, 2015 ( maybe I'll learn something ) don't we all ... at least try it ... Omega1234, GLakie, CaptainSteve and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
Sjors Posted January 24, 2015 #800 Posted January 24, 2015 For someone just learning this stuff, you seem to be doing exceptionally well. I don't know enough about what you're doing so I can't really offer you any constructive criticism, so I'll just sit back and enjoy your work. ( maybe I'll learn something ) Frank You see Mark, I'm not the only one Go back in the relax mode...... Sjors augie, CaptainSteve, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre
src Posted January 25, 2015 #801 Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) Mark your right about learning from each other, I find I learn more foremothers (from others, stupid keyboard...) mistakes and how they fixed them than I do anything else short of actuall hands on. Now if only I could make some time for hands on myself..... Sam Edited January 25, 2015 by src GLakie, Omega1234, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise
Blue Ensign Posted January 26, 2015 #802 Posted January 26, 2015 I love to see your framing Mark, and I so admire your determination to get things right. Regards, B.E. GLakie, CaptainSteve, augie and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
rdsaplala Posted January 26, 2015 #803 Posted January 26, 2015 Very nice choice of timber, Mark, and excellent start on the planking work mtaylor and GLakie 2 Quote Best regards,AldoCurrently Building: HMS Pegasus (Victory Models)-Mothballed to give priority to Triton HMS Triton (first attempt at scratchbuilding) Past build:HM Brig Badger (Caldercraft), HM Brig Cruizer, HM Schooner Ballahoo
mtaylor Posted January 27, 2015 Author #804 Posted January 27, 2015 Thanks for looking in, everyone. Port side, first three strakes. Not too bad to my eye and I'm happy. The pics, though tell me that I'll have to do some sanding and shaping still around the joints and also to fair and smooth things out a bit. The big challenge here is the where the plank thickness changed and also where the hull shape changed due to the tumblehome. I'll fix things with some sanding and then finally scraping to get the ebony dust out of the Swiss pear grain. Onto the starboard side.... cabrapente, Piet, augie and 51 others 54 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
rafine Posted January 27, 2015 #805 Posted January 27, 2015 Great looking start to the planking Mark. Bob GLakie and mtaylor 2 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
dgbot Posted January 27, 2015 #806 Posted January 27, 2015 Looking Gooooooooood!!! David B mtaylor and GLakie 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
Jim Lad Posted January 27, 2015 #807 Posted January 27, 2015 What a great feeling it is to get those first strakes on! John GLakie and mtaylor 2 Quote
augie Posted January 27, 2015 #808 Posted January 27, 2015 The run of the planks looks great !! Ebony dust into the pear ---- I wouldn't have expected that. Duly noted. popeye the sailor, GLakie and mtaylor 3 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
GLakie Posted January 27, 2015 #809 Posted January 27, 2015 Hey Marc: What they all said! Cheers mtaylor 1 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
src Posted January 28, 2015 #810 Posted January 28, 2015 Ummmm Ditto! Sam mtaylor and GLakie 2 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise
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