Licorne 1755 by mtaylor - 3/16" scale - French Frigate - from Hahn plans - Version 2.0 - TERMINATED

[mtaylor]

Thanks for looking in and the comments.   I think I'll pass on the daisy cutter discussion.  

7 hours ago, Dowmer said:

Mark,

in reference to the swivels, I too found it difficult to find specific reference to how they were mounted.  I have plenty of original info that they were used.  Especially for shore work, cutting out expeditions, boarding parties, native attacks etc.

 

I did find one blueprint in the NMM that appears to show a swivel mount.  Located centrally up forward.  I chose to model something similar on my 18th century longboat as fitted out on a merchantman in the 1790s during the PNW fur trade. I took into consideration that the weight of the swivels on the gunwale would have made the boat lean to one side or another unless they were balanced on both sides.  Another reason I mounted it centrally was to allow a clear sweep forward. Perhaps the pictures will give you some ideas how you will want to mount yours.  

 

Thanks Downer.   I'm using the ANCRE plans for this which, while similar, are different.  The French longboat has 4 mounts, one at each "corner".   See the drawing below.

 

5 hours ago, John Allen said:

Mark,

 

After a quick check I find the nickname for the one pounder  in the 1800s was called by the British an insurance cannon and was a falconet, according to Wipedia believe you were looking for something more apropos  like stinging bee, little killer, or a solid shot enema for those trying to board from  longboats.

 

I'm sure this is not what you were looking for but threw it out there anyway.

 

I've never heard that term before for these pieces.  But then the Brits have a way with wording.

 

4 hours ago, cog said:

Mark,

know your classics: The Bolitho series ... something to read for you (28 vols will keep you busy for a short while )

I'll go look that up, Carl.  

[cog]

1 hour ago, mtaylor said:

The French longboat has 4 mounts, one at each "corner"

Something like The French Chaloupe Armée en Guerre from the Delacroix drawings. There are some good examples in the scratch build forum

[BANYAN]

VERY nice work Mark.

 

cheers

 

Pat

[Jim Lad]

Finally catching up with what you're up to, Mark.  Looking good, mate!

 

John

[mtaylor]

7 hours ago, cog said:

Something like The French Chaloupe Armée en Guerre from the Delacroix drawings. There are some good examples in the scratch build forum

Very similar though I think (I'll have to go find my book and check) but I think it was much larger.

[cog]

1 hour ago, mtaylor said:

I think it was much larger

You are quite right, the scale certainly!

[Landlubber Mike]

Looks great Mark!

[mtaylor]

Cleaned up and dyed the oarlocks and then installed them.  Also made the cannon (let's call them "popguns" ) mounts and installed them.  The only thing left is the sheave and supports on the stern.  The catch is I'm tad undecided as there's three distinct types... there's a sheave on top of the stern, or a sheave hanging off the stern to the rear (not onto) or there's no sheave.   I'll ponder this a bit longer while I work on the chocks for putting this boat into the hull.   I'm also working and tweaking the plans for the barge which is smaller, unarmed (no cannon mounts) and looks essentially like the barge.  I put a dime and Pierre into the second picture to give a sense of scale.

 

Here's the pictures.  Not perfect but I'm pretty happy with it.  So unless I get a sudden "ah-hah.. I can do this better" moment, on the next barge.

 

 

[src]

Mark,

You and Pierre should both be pleased although that dime look big enough to sink her.

Sam

[archjofo]

Hello Mark,
I also built a chaloupe for my french corvette.
LINK

Edited May 10, 2019 by archjofo

[FriedClams]

On ‎5‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 2:50 AM, mtaylor said:

Not perfect but I'm pretty happy with it.

I think you should be happy with it Mark.  It's very nice.

 

Gary

[Jim Lad]

Looks good, Mark.  Pierre is great for scale, but the dime means nothing outside of your borders!  

 

John

[lmagna]

54 minutes ago, Jim Lad said:

but the dime means nothing outside of your borders!

Doesn't mean much WITHIN our borders!  10 cents does not go as far as it once did 

Edited May 10, 2019 by lmagna

[cog]

So what you two say: A dime is worthless ... Well lads, gimme a couple a milion of them and I'll be fine

 

Mark for size ... it doesn't mean a lot ... to me at least

Edited May 10, 2019 by cog

[lmagna]

6 hours ago, cog said:

gimme a couple a milion of them and I'll be fine

I would like to see that much extra as well. BUT $200,000 can go all to quickly also!  I do admit it would be fun for at least a little while though.

[mtaylor]

Thanks for the likes and comments.

 

Thanks for the link Johann.  Yours was one of the logs I tried to emulate.  I failed in that yours is just about perfect.  I know mine is not but I am happy the way it turned out.

 

The dime is about 17mm in diameter.  Pierre is 30 mm from bottom of the base to top of his measuring staff.   For those not on metric... Pierre is 1-1/8".

 

I guess I need to sort out a universal measurement. Something creative but I'll have to be careful.  I can't use a sparrow as there are differences between the European and African sparrow according to Monte Python.

 

Didn't get a chance today to work on things but the last bit is the chocks on deck for the long boat. 

 

 

[pontiachedmark]

Gidday Mark.

Looking good.

I am watching with great interest.

Wishing you all the best,

Mark.

[mtaylor]

Thanks for the comments, the likes, and sticking with this journey.   No worries on the dime anymore... I spent it.

 

I made the chocks and installed them into the Licorne.  I've since been attacking the drawings making fixes for error areas discovered on this boat.  Here's some pictures of it in place.  It's not glued in yet as I need access to the area astern where the mainmast goes.  Once I'm done figuring out if I need to pre-installed suitable lengths of line for rigging the mast, I'll do that.  I suspect this will keep me off the streets and out of trouble for a few days. 

 

 

 

 

[cog]

Nice work Mark. Keeping you out of trouble ... hard to imagine! I like the touch of blue, nice contrast.

[mtaylor]

Thanks Carl, but the blue is only temporary tape to be removed later.  I hate dropping parts into bowels of the ship never to be seen again.

[gjdale]

Looking really sweet Mark. I hope you spent the dime wisely...perhaps on some TicTacs, the international unit of scale measurement! 😉

[Dowmer]

Nice work Mark, the boat is coming along.

I noticed it looks like the swivel stanchions in the bow angle out.  Is that intentional?  It though they were cut to sit upright so the swivel mount was level.  Anyway, that is the way they look on Johanns model and the blueprints.

[Omega1234]

Hi Mark

 

Your ship’s boat looks really sweet!

 

Isn’t it nice when all your hard work pays off handsomely?  

 

Nicely done, for sure.

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

[mtaylor]

4 hours ago, Dowmer said:

Nice work Mark, the boat is coming along.

I noticed it looks like the swivel stanchions in the bow angle out.  Is that intentional?  It though they were cut to sit upright so the swivel mount was level.  Anyway, that is the way they look on Johanns model and the blueprints.

They are angled out a bit.  I'm not sure what happened as during the test fits they were vertical.  I suspect that during the glue up I didn't get them fully seated.  One of the few things I'm not happy with.  I'm afraid to try to unglue them as what ever I use will probably basically destroy the boat by releasing the frame, planks, etc. in that area.  I may just have to redo the whole boat.  I'll think a bit and try some things before I engage is mass destruction.  If the glue bond isn't that hard, I might be able to just pop them off.  

[Dowmer]

Mark, what kind of glue did you use?

[mtaylor]

I used white glue.   But not that much, less than drop in two places.    I managed to pop off those bits with no damage.   I have reworked them for a better fit and reglued them into place.   Looks better, but I'm not handling the boat until the glue dries completely.

[mtaylor]

I did some re-work without breaking anything (yeah for me!).   The pieces are now back in place.

 

 

 

[Dowmer]

Ah,  much better.  Looks good Mark

[mtaylor]

Thanks Downer for pointing that out.  Seems I'm missing the obvious sometimes and once it's mentioned, it's face palm time and "Dooooh".

[pontiachedmark]

Gidday Mark.

Patience and thinking out a process pay off yet again.

Liking your work.

Wishing you all the best ,

Mark.