dgbot Posted March 28, 2014 #211 Posted March 28, 2014 Your way of making those frames at that size is the safe way of doing it. It may be a hassel. But you have to put your pinkys first. David B mtaylor 1 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
src Posted March 28, 2014 #212 Posted March 28, 2014 Or, hope something trashes the saw and I can justify buying the Jim Saw. Mark, I am thinking .308 at about 250 yards. I'll bring my Proxon and we can have a "blast" I gotta agree with you on blade guards, crutches in my opinion, they make you safety lazy. OSHA disagrees unfortunately, as we just found out at work. Sam Dan Vadas, mtaylor and gjdale 3 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise
shipmodel Posted March 28, 2014 #213 Posted March 28, 2014 Hi David - Although both ways can get the job done, I have to disagree a bit with your take on safety. Kickback is caused by the workpiece being trapped and squeezed between the blade and fence. When it catches the spinning blade throws it back at the worker. The way Mark has his saw set up, the larger piece of wood is in this position. If it kicks back it could cause some damage. If the small piece kicks back, a strip 1/32" x 1/8" can't do a lot of harm. As for pinkies, that's what push sticks are for. I use them all the time. Dan mtaylor and dgbot 2 Quote Current build -Khufu solar barge, c. 2,560 BCE, a cross-section model at 1:10 scale Prior scratch builds - Royal yacht Henrietta, USS Monitor, USS Maine, HMS Pelican, SS America, SS Rex, SS Uruguay, Viking knarr, Gokstad ship, Thames River Skiff , USS Oneida, Swan 42 racing yacht, Queen Anne's Revenge (1710), SS Andrea Doria (1952), SS Michelangelo (1962) , Queen Anne's Revenge (2nd model) USS/SS Leviathan (1914), James B Colgate (1892), POW bone model (circa 1800) restoration, SS Mayaguez (c.1975) Prior kit builds - AL Dallas, Mamoli Bounty. Bluejacket America, North River Diligence, Airfix Sovereign of the Seas "Take big bites. Moderation is for monks." Robert A. Heinlein
mtaylor Posted March 28, 2014 Author #214 Posted March 28, 2014 Dan, I slept on what you've said and I'm going to rethink things on the saw. You're right about the kickback. I've been lucky so far. I'm thinking that a small mod to the tall fence to give some clearance at the rear of the blade (it's an add-on) might do the trick. texxn5 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
michael mott Posted March 28, 2014 #215 Posted March 28, 2014 If the small piece kicks back, a strip 1/32" x 1/8" can't do a lot of harm. Dan true, however I do prefer to have the lager piece next to the fence it is much easier to push and control, I think that setting up to avoid the pinching at the rear of the blade is better, but that is just my experience. I'm thinking that a small mod to the tall fence to give some clearance at the rear of the blade (it's an add-on) might do the trick. Mark I think that this is a good thing to do, as you say this is an add on perhaps a small shim at the end towards the operator would cause a slight rake or anlge from the front to the rear of the blade. I would also be tempted to set up a solid indexing block forward of the start of the blade, like the one in that thread. I am not a huge fan of feather boards. that said I do use them occasionally. Michael themadchemist and mtaylor 2 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
texxn5 Posted March 28, 2014 #216 Posted March 28, 2014 I'm a big fan of pushsticks and feather boards, even though I don't currently have the featherboards. I'm debating whether to make them or buy from MicroMark. mtaylor 1 Quote John Current Current Builds: US Brig Niagara on my website FINISHED BUILD LOGS: New Bedford Whaleboat - page on my Morgan Website: http://www.charleswmorganmodel.com/whaleboat-build-log-by-john-fleming.html C.W. Morgan - Model Shipways 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1785-cw-morgan-by-texxn5-johnf-ms-164-kit/ USS Constitution - Revell 1:96 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1796-uss-constitution-by-texxn5-johnf-revell-196-kit/ website US Brig Niagara Model http://www.niagaramodel.com website Charles W Morgan Model http://www.charleswmorganmodel.com website PROXXON DISCOUNT TOOL STORE http://proxxontoolsdiscount.com
mtaylor Posted March 29, 2014 Author #217 Posted March 29, 2014 I've been fiddling with the saw while waiting for glue to dry. I put a shim into the forward end of the fence (the tall add-on) and it cants just enough so the back of the blade isn't hitting the plank coming off. I'm thinking about Jeff from HobbyMill's method for a guide fence on the feed side. He uses a block of wood and his thumb... hmm....I'm still considering similar to an Indexing Block as a viable alternative. So many choices, just need to figure out which is best for me. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
mtaylor Posted April 3, 2014 Author #218 Posted April 3, 2014 Just a brief update...no pics. The longboat is on hold. There's a couple of areas I'm not happy with and need to re-think. Yeah... I know... "don't overthink this". My cherry wood for the framing has been shipped by Jeff at Hobbymill and is due to arrive here on Tuesday. Happy dance time.... The Le Venus book in also in transit, so.... I need to reconfigure the shipyard from small boats to big hulls. I have some odds and ends to finish up around the house, etc. Plus I'll get some parts cut out for use during framing while sorting out some side issues with this build. Bindy, NenadM and egkb 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Trussben Posted April 3, 2014 #219 Posted April 3, 2014 Glad to hear the wood is on the way Mark, time for sawdust! Ben Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
mtaylor Posted April 4, 2014 Author #220 Posted April 4, 2014 It was funny, today. No more than 30 minutes after posting my last, the Le Venus book was delivered. Very impressive monograph and service from ANCRE. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
dgbot Posted April 4, 2014 #221 Posted April 4, 2014 The problem inthis hobby is that good books are not cheap. When I went to the conferences. Seawatch knew I would be dropping by and there went my budget. David B Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
mtaylor Posted April 4, 2014 Author #222 Posted April 4, 2014 So true, David. But there's a joy in the books beyond the info. In this case, the rigging plan alone is worth the price not counting some of the detail stuff. I'm studying these plans and monograph and realize that there's a lot more to this ship than what Hahn shows. I'm thinking that I'll have make a serious parts order or three for rigging material... hooks, deadeyes, blocks, ring bolts and eyebolts. Bindy and WackoWolf 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
mtaylor Posted April 9, 2014 Author #223 Posted April 9, 2014 Christmas in April!!! Wood has arrived from Jeff at Hobbymill. Wonderful wood and it's perfectly dimensioned. I'm plotting out the frame blanks and hope to start making sawdust later this evening. Time to start getting this build back on the road.... err... building slip. The wood isn't warped, the camera is having issues. I think it was the setting I choose. Dubz, popeye the sailor, Piet and 26 others 29 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
src Posted April 9, 2014 #224 Posted April 9, 2014 woo hoo! Happy Saw Dust Dance! mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise
Jim Lad Posted April 9, 2014 #225 Posted April 9, 2014 Well, don't just stand there, Mark - forward the whole lot on to me! John popeye the sailor, mtaylor, butch and 2 others 5 Quote
uss frolick Posted April 9, 2014 #226 Posted April 9, 2014 Mark, it looks like you got La Venus. mtaylor 1 Quote
mtaylor Posted April 9, 2014 Author #227 Posted April 9, 2014 The whole lot, John???? Sheesh... you don't want much. :D Sam, amen... This seriously the best wood I've ever received. Perfectly dimensioned from end to end and smooth enough I can leave the sander in the closet. And yes, it's happy dance time. Frolick, it is indeed. It's a wealth of information but I have to sift through it since it's actually later than Licorne, even though the rigging is same (according to Hahn). There's also some good details that didn't change much that I'll incorporate. Trussben 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
augie Posted April 9, 2014 #228 Posted April 9, 2014 Better than growing your own trees. Whoopie NenadM and mtaylor 2 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
mij Posted April 9, 2014 #229 Posted April 9, 2014 Enjoy your build Mark. Regards mij mtaylor 1 Quote xebec 1:60 scale, scratch build
gjdale Posted April 9, 2014 #230 Posted April 9, 2014 Nothing quite like a batch of fresh timber from Hobbymill. Makes me start drooling just looking at the pics! Happy dance indeed! mtaylor 1 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
popeye the sailor Posted April 9, 2014 #231 Posted April 9, 2014 seeing that paper is made from wood by products.......was that considered to be 'bulk mail'? mtaylor and michael mott 2 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
newbuilder101 Posted April 9, 2014 #232 Posted April 9, 2014 There's nothing like a perfect piece of wood - that's why I lean toward good antique furniture instead of modern plastic and sawdust compressed stuff. Okay we've seen the 'pre-sawdust' photos and now looking forward to the 'post sawdust' installment! riverboat, Bindy, dgbot and 3 others 6 Quote Sherry Every goodbye is the birth of a memory... Current Build: San Felipe Finished Builds: Mayflower Build Log Gallery: Mayflower
Bindy Posted April 10, 2014 #233 Posted April 10, 2014 Merry Christmas Mark! Sjors, newbuilder101 and mtaylor 3 Quote Completed Build: Bregante Il Leudo Merchant Launch - Mamoli - 1:72
Trussben Posted April 10, 2014 #234 Posted April 10, 2014 You Lucky Devil Mark, I felt the same when my Swiss Pear turned up from Jeff, happy wood dance and had to keep going downstairs to the workshop to look at it, I hope he outlives me as I have many more purchases to make from him! Lol. So where is the sawdust we are all waiting for?? Ben mtaylor 1 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
michael mott Posted April 10, 2014 #235 Posted April 10, 2014 Ah no more excuses about waiting for the wood in the mail.... nice! Michael mtaylor 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
BANYAN Posted April 11, 2014 #236 Posted April 11, 2014 Ah, I think I can even smell the sawdust from here Happy modelling Mark. cheers Pat mtaylor 1 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
mtaylor Posted April 15, 2014 Author #237 Posted April 15, 2014 Thanks for the support and the likes... Minor milestone... took the big pieces of wood and made about 850 small pieces of wood. Oh... and sawdust. I've closed the sawpits for now and the pieces have been sent to the yard for gluing up into frame blanks and then cutting into frames. Here's pics... and for those who wanted it.. a picture of (naturally) the sawdust from cutting the pieces. Hopefully, I didn't mis-count but I still have some "big" pieces left just in case. Now where did I stash that really large bottle of glue?? Elmer Cornish, Rustyj, NMBROOK and 27 others 30 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
src Posted April 15, 2014 #238 Posted April 15, 2014 Instant wood filler! Thats a lot of little wood pieces. When I worked in my first furniture shop I used to tell people who asked what I did for a living, "I cut big pieces of wood into smaller pieces and then glue them back into big pieces of wood" Looks like your doing the same thing here just on a smaller scale. Looks like you had a very productive day! Sam mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise
Jim Lad Posted April 15, 2014 #239 Posted April 15, 2014 Aha! Genuine sawdust! Now you're really moving, Mark. John mtaylor 1 Quote
dgbot Posted April 15, 2014 #240 Posted April 15, 2014 That is a lot of sawdust. And you are just getting started. May your saw blade stay sharp David B mtaylor 1 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
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