HMS Victory by dafi - Heller - PLASTIC - To Victory and beyond ...

[amateur]

Hi Daniel,

 

We're absoluterly not surprised.

Only a bit curious how and were your carefully applied coppering came loose, and whether or not the remainder feels itself out of palace as soon as the revised version is applied. Wouldn't surprise me if that also jumps of the hull, as soon as they realize how version 1.0 they actually are

 

Jan

[dafi]

Oh you are scared of model part´s suicide?!?

 

That is new, I better go to a psychiatrist with my dear shipdaughter to avoid more losses ...

 

... there is still enough V1.0 on her ...

 

... and V2.0 that were already redone ...

 

... and V3.0 that was also overcome ...

 

... and the V4.0 that ...

 

...hihihihihihihihihi...

 

...

 

XXXDAn

[dafi]

... doe, how to say ...

 

 

... I just looked - no touching involved ...

 

... but how did this happen ?!?

 

Suddenly my sweet one found herself lying on the back ...

 

... and got the edges worked with the RB Riveter.

 

 

 

 

 

Then changed the dermaroller from large-gauge ...

 

 

... to narrow-gauge.

 

 

And here we go :-)

 

 

 

 

[dafi]

And now something different - the difference ...

 

 

... the small irregularities in the bow do not bother me to much. From there do come the remains from the first picture, I replaced them by bigger plates.

 

 

Still refined the corners ...

 

 

... and fixed missing nails.

 

 

The false keel, first try with flattened 0,3 mm copper wire ...

 

 

... but this proved to complicated to assmble.

 

 

Then better simple copper foil :-)

 

 

 

 

Then still enjoyed some unusual views ...

 

 

... and brought back my small one into her normal position ...

 

 

... and had a deep breath as no bigger casualties had happened.

 

Only the school table looks like was not glued ;-)

 

 

XXXDAn

[dafi]

Thank you Dirk and Robin.

 

I updated my signature ;-)

 

Cheers!

Daniel

Edited June 14, 2015 by dafi

[amateur]

Guess you have to share ths title with Martanek, (very well known from some absolutely ridiculously detailed paper models in MSW1.

 

A shame he dropped out after the crash.

Jan

Edited June 15, 2015 by amateur

[dafi]

Sharing is great - and big thanks to him if it was him who made me aware of the wonderful possibilities offered by the world of Tic-Tac :-)

 

XXXDAn

[Izzy Madd]

Hi,

 

I've just been looking at McKays large scale drawings and noticed that the messenger attaches to the capstan at the top.? I'm sure your super accurate and I just wondered why you went for the other way. Which you said worked great. Just wondering which source was used as reference?

[dafi]

Both ways are right depending on :

 

- if not under tension / not being worked the messenger is on the bottom of the capstan.

 

- under tension / when worked it works its way up to the shoulder of the whelps

 

I first had it on the bottom but since I realised the change it is already refixed in an up position.

This movement even is to be realised on my 1:100 capstan :-0

 

XXXDAn

[dafi]

Hurry up - hurry up !!!

 

 

The starter is already getting impatient ...

 

XXXDAn

[dafi]

SILENCE!!!

[dafi]

EXERCISE of the great guns.

 

1st. Silence.

2d. Cast loose your guns.

3d. Level your guns.

4th.Take out your tompions.

5th. Run out your guns.

6th. Prime.

7th. Point your guns.

8th. Fire.

 

" The man who takes care of the powder is to place himself on the opposite side of the deck from that where we engage, except when fighting both sides at once, when he is to be amid-ships. He is not to suffer any other man to take a cartridge from him, but he who is appointed to serve the gun with that article, either in time of a real engagement, or at exercise.

" Lanthorns are not to be brought to quarters in the night, until the midshipman gives his orders for so doing to the person he charges with that article. Every thing being in it's place, and not the least lumber in the way of the guns, the exercise begins with,

 

1st. Silence.

At this word every one is to observe a silent attention to the officers.

 

2d. Cast loose your guns.

" The muzzle lashing is to be taken off from the guns, and (being coiled up in a small compass) is to be made fast to the eye-bolt above the port. The lashing-tackles at the same time to be cast loose, and the middle of the breeching seized to the thimble of the pomillion. The spunge to be taken down, and, with the crow, handspec, &c. laid upon the deck by the gun.

"N.B. When prepared for engaging an enemy, the seizing within the clinch of the breeching is to be cut, that the gun may come sufficiently within-board for loading, and that the force of the recoil may be more spent before it acts upon the breeching.

 

3d. Level your guns.

" The breech of your metal is to be raised so as to admit the foot of the bed's being placed upon the axle-tree of the carriage, with the quoin upon the bed, both their ends being even one with the other.

" N. B. When levelled for firing, the bed is to be lashed to the bolt which supports the inner end of it, that it may not be thrown out of it's place by the violence of the gun's motion, when hot with frequent discharges. See fig. 17, plate VII.

 

4th. Take out your tompions.

"The tompion is to be taken out of the gun's mouth, and left hanging by it's laniard.

 

5th. Run out your guns.

" With the tackles hooked to the upper-bolts of the carriage, the gun is to be bowsed out as close as possible, without the assistance of crows or handspecs; taking care at the same time to keep the breeching clear of the trucks, by hawling it through the rings; it is then to be bent so as to run clear when the gun is fired. When the gun is out, the tackle-falls are to be laid along-side the carriages in neat fakes, that when the gun, by recoiling, overhauls them, they may not be subject to get foul, as they would if in a common coil.

 

6th. Prime.

"If the cartridge is to be pierced with the priming wire, and the vent filled with powder, the pan also is to be filled; and the flat space, having a score through it at the end of the pan, is to be covered, and this part of the priming is to be bruised with the round part of the horn. The apron is to be laid over, and the horn hung up out of danger from the flash of the priming.

 

7th. Point your guns.

At this command the gun is, in the first place, to be elevated to the heighth of the object, by means of the side-sights; and then the person pointing is to direct his fire by the upper-sight, having a crow on one side and a handspec on the other, to heave the gun by his direction till he catches the object.

" N. B. The men who heave the gun for pointing are to stand between the ship's side and their crows or handspecs, to escape the injury they might otherwise receive from their being struck against them, or splintered by a shot; and the man who attends the captain with a match is to bring it at the word, " Point your guns," and kneeling upon one knee opposite the train-truck of the carriage, and at such a distance as to be able to touch the priming, is to turn his head from the gun, and keep blowing gently upon the lighted match to keep it clear from ashes. And as the missing of an enemy in action, by neglect or want of coolness, is most inexcusable, it is particularly recommended to have the people thoroughly instructed in pointing well, and taught to know the ill consequences of not taking proper means to hit their mark; wherefore they should be made to elevate their guns to the utmost nicety, and then to point with the same exactness and having caught the object through the upper-sight, at the word,

 

8th. Fire.

" The match is instantly to be put to the bruised part of the priming; and when the gun is discharged the vent is to be closed, in order to smother any spark of fire that may remain in the chamber of the gun; and the man who spunges is immediately to place himself by the muzzle of the gun in readiness, when, at the next word,

 

9th. Spunge your gun.

"The spunge is to be rammed down to the bottom of the chamber, and then twisted round, to extinguish effectually any remains of fire; and when drawn out, to be struck against the out-side of the muzzle, to shake off any sparks or scraps of the cartridge that may have come out with it; and next it's end is to be shifted ready for loading; and while this is doing, the man appointed to provide a cartridge is to go to the box, and by the time the spunge is out of the gun, he is to have it ready; and at the word,

 

10th. Load with cartridge.

The cartridge (with the bottom end first, seam-downwards, and a wad after it) is to be put into the gun, and thrust a little way within the mouth, when the rammer is to be entered; the cartridge is then to be forcibly rammed down, and the captain at the same time is to keep his priming-wire in the vent, and, feeling the cartridge, is to give the word home, when the rammer is to be drawn, and not before. While this is doing, the man appointed to provide a shot is to provide one (or two, according to the order at that time) ready at the muzzle, with a wad like-wise, and when the rammer is drawn, at the word,

 

11th. Shot your guns.

"The shot and wad upon it are to be put into the gun, and thrust a little way down, when the rammer is to be entered as before. The shot and wad are to be rammed down to the cartridge, and there have a couple of forcible strokes, when the rammer is to be drawn, and laid out of the way of the guns and tackles, if the exercise or action is continued; but if it is over, the spunge is to be secured in the place it is at all times kept in.

 

13th. Put in your tompions.

"The tompions to be put into the muzzle of the cannon.

 

14th. House your guns.

"The seizing is to be put on again upon the clinched end of the breeching, leaving it no slacker than to admit of the guns being housed with ease. The quoin is to be taken from under the breech of the gun, and the bed, still resting upon the bolt, within the carriage, thrust under, till the foot of it falls off the axle-tree, leaving it to rest upon the end which projects out from the foot. The metal is to be set down upon this. The gun is to be placed exactly square, and the muzzle is to be close to the wood, in it's proper place for passing the muzzle lashings. See CANNON, and fig. 19, plate VII.

 

14th. Secure your guns.

"The muzzle lashings must first be made secure, and then with one tackle (having all it's parts equally taught with the breeching) the gun is to be lashed. The other tackle is to be bowsed taught, and by itself made fast, that it may be ready to cast off for lashing a second breeching.

"N.B. Care must be taken to hook the first tackle to the upper bolt of the carriage, that it may not otherwise obstruct the reeving of the second breeching, and to give the greater length to the end part of the fall.

No pains must be spared in bowsing the lashing very taught, that the gun may have the least play that is possible, as their being loose may be productive of very dangerous consequences.

 

 

EXERCISE to EYES of a ship

 

"The quoin, crow, and handspec, are to be put under the gun, the powder-horn hung up in it's place, &c.

"Being engaged at any time when there is a large swell, a rough sea, or in squally weather, &c. as the ship may be liable to be suddenly much heeled, the port-tackle fall is ro be kept clear, and (whenever the working of the gun will admit of it) the man charged with that office is to keep it in his hand; at the same time the muzzle lashing is to be kept fast to the ring of the port, and being hauled taught, is to be fastened to the eye-bolt over the port-hole, so as to be out of the gun's way in firing, in order to haul it in at any time of danger.

"This precaution is not to be omitted, when engaging to the windward, any more than when to the leeward, those situations being very subject to alter at too short a warning.

"A train-tackle is always to be made use of with the lee-guns, and the man stationed to attend it is to be very careful in preventing the gun's running out at an improper time."

EXERCISE may also be applied with propriety to the forming our fleets into orders of sailing, lines of battle, &c. an art which the French have termed evolutions, or tactiques. In this sense exercise may be defined, the execution of the movements which the different orders and dispositions of fleets occasionally require, and which the several ships are directed to perform by means of signals.

 

It is interesting that about 1800 there was no official standardised instruction for the gun handling, this was just to be introduced years later. This usual sequence was described by Falconer.

 

To get a feeling what happens in this moments, I made a small display, which shows three different stages.

 

 

On the left the gun is aiming, the middle one loading and the right one just prior the shot before the tackles are put in flakes onto the deck.

 

7th. Point your guns.

Here we see the adjustment of the height of the gun by the handspikes. Here we can easily see the sense of the steps on the side of the carriage, it serves the handspikes as a stable support. The gun captain is giving the instructions, while the second gun captain with the blue head is ready to reposition the coin. Falconer mentions that first the height is adjusted, then the direction. The other men are busy to keep the gun steady.

 

 

8th. Fire.

Here the moment before the shot. The crew are still steadying the gun with on the tackles, these tackles are to be laid in flakes onto the deck prior the shot and then the men to retreat to a more safe area amidships. Nice detail to be seen on the Master and Commander Bonus DVD: The two men with the handspikes on the hull at both sides of the gun, ready to jump and to jam the wheels after the shot for the gun not to run back out immediately after the recoil, as the tackles are not manned jet again. 

 

 

9th. Spunge your gun.

Here the loader is sponging the barrel. One nicely to be seen the exposed position and how far the sponge points outwards. Left is the cartride ready, right the wad. Also left the shot and right the second wad. The gun captain is closing the vent with his thump as described by Falconer.

 

 

See also the tools right on the deck, the sponge, rammer, worm and the pot with water for the sponge.

 

XXXDAn

[Beef Wellington]

Fantastic work Daniel, goes without saying.  Are you sure you didn't miss anyone?    Great stuff.

Edited June 29, 2015 by Beef Wellington

[amateur]

I thought the marines and the guncrews where strictly separated groups?

You show them as a part of the guncrew, but who is manning the tops during battle when the marines are running out and aiming the great guns?

 

Jan

[dafi]

Hello Jan,

 

yes they were usually strictly separated :-)

 

But the battle was different. As long as the Marines were not needed on deck, they were used as auxiliaries to handle the guns. There are some contemporary pictures and drawings showing it, also the Trafalgar Companion shows up to two marines per gun.

 

The pictures show the full gun compliment of over a thirteen per two guns. But half the gun crew was assigned for second duties and had to leave if necessairy. Standard duties were cases of fire, water/leak/pumps, handling of sails and repel boarders or boarding the enemy.

 

So in the height of the battle it could happen that some 6 men had to deal with two big guns. This is not even counting the casualties. So fire rate could drop dramatically at this stage.

 

Cheers, Daniel

Edited July 1, 2015 by dafi

[foxy]

At Nelsons last battle  the marines suffered very badly, Nelson refused any one going to the tops as sharp shooters, which ment the marines had to withstand a blistering array of grenades and musket fire.

 

The marine Captain had to call up all the Marines manning the guns to help stem the tide on deck.

As there were only a few marines left on deck to return fire.

 

Frank 

[dafi]

Thank you Frank!

 

And for that the gang looks lifelike comes some ink and a nice wash. See the before and after pictures - let there be life :-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

XXXDAn

[mtaylor]

I swear that they have music and are dancing....       :D     Brilliant work, Daniel.   

[popeye the sailor]

I agree Mark.......especially the first row!   

 

 

wonderful work Daniel!  you are definitely the king of the diorama!  so very well detailed!

[clearway]

playing "gang em style" in my head while looking at them

[docidle]

I have "Do the Twist" playing in my head while checking out your latest amazing work Daniel!

 

Steve

Edited July 14, 2015 by docidle

[Force9]

Daniel -

 

I was just admiring your terrific gun deck "diorama"... Can't imagine the time invested in recreating the chaos of a Trafalgar gun deck!

 

Question - would there also be a stout crewman positioned at the inhaul tackle to prevent the many tons of gun from lurching forward in the next ocean swell while some luckless sailor was ramming home the next charge?

 

Evan

[dafi]

Thank you guys, doing the best to make them move!

 

And yes Evan, there would be :-)

 

 

XXXDAn

Edited July 23, 2015 by dafi

[dafi]

PS: As the sea is rather calm at the moment, I omitted one duty:

 

In rough seas one man was to hold the lanyard for the gunport lid for emergency closing.

 

XXXDAn

Edited July 23, 2015 by dafi

[dafi]

After I did not manage to do much due to dailies work, I decided to get some auxiliaries workers for the ship yard ...

 

... they were described as very dedicated ...

 

... I immediately made them do some trial work ...

 

 

... but what did he do there?!?

 

XXXDAn

[justsayrow]

MINION!!!!!!! Love the Minions!

[dafi]

And they finally gave me the time to finish the show off of the gun crews :-)

 

 

Charging

 

 

 

For orientation positions by the clock (seen from the top):

 

06 o`clock gun captain, covering the vent hole with a leather thump protector, for that while sponging the barrel no ashes or embers are pushed into the vent hole from the inside by the pressure

12 o`clock sponging the barrel

11 o`clock the cartridge is passed

01 o`clock afterwards the wad

10 o`clock the bullet is handed   

09, 08, 07 und 03, 04, 05 o`clock the crew holds tight the tackles

6:30 o`clock the inhaul tackle is secured

03 o`clock second row the sponges, rammers, bars and crowbars are handled

 

aiming

 

 

 

 

06 o`clock the gun captain is directing by hand signs

11 und 01 o`clock leveling the horizontal elevation by the bars

10, 09, 08, 07 und 02, 03, 04, 05 o`clock  the crew holds tight the tackles

6:30 o`clock the second gun captain holds ready the lead apron to protect the vent

6:30 o`clock second row the inhaul tackle is secured

03 o`clock second row the sponges, rammers, bars and crowbars are handled

(and almost the eye of the black sailor is pierced by the worm ...)

 

prior the shot

 

 

 

 

06 o`clock gun captain has to bow down a lot to aim properly 

11 und 01 o`clock two crew membres crouch against the hull, ready to jump after the shot to jam the wheels of the carriage in the backward position, as in that moment the tackles are laying still on deck not being manned, to avoid the gun to run out again  

10, 09, 08, 07 und 02, 03, 04, 05 o`clock   the crew holds tight the tackles, correcting the side orientation - if necessary helped by the gents with the bars. Just prior the shot they put down the tackle onto the deck without disturbing the recoil of the gun and gather in the center line of the ship

02 o`clock second row the sponge is already waiting for after the shot

03 o`clock second row the sponges, rammers, bars and crowbars are handled

 

As the sea is calsm, the gun port tackle is not manned - in rough seas one man has to secure it to be able to close it fast in emergencies. 

 

Supplies

 

Also some other had to be done. The cartridges were to be transported by a chain of people from the magazine up the companionway to the decks and  ...

 

 

 

... hurry-hurry-hurry, from there distributed towards the guns. By the regulations this was not to be done by the boys for safety reasons. Their duty was much more to clear loose powder with a wet mop. Was this the origin for the powder monkey?

 

 

And one crew member was to servey the lint stocks, necessary in case one of the flintlocks does not work.

 

 

XXXDAn

[gjdale]

Just fabulous Daniel. Absolutely amazing work. You've really captured the essence of what it must have been like on the gun deck during battle.

[dafi]

Thank you Sirs, very appreciated!

 

 

And just to round off the topic a small overview :-)

 

 

 

 

Just compare the side with the crews handling the guns with the fire lee. 

 

 

 

If the pictures are merged, one gets a nice impression of the crowded decks while battle.

 

 

Also nice is the view more from deck height :-)

 

 

 

 

XXXDAn

Edited August 2, 2015 by dafi

[mitchel]

The merged photo showing the crew on both sides of the deck is absolutely stunning. For me it is the best photo. It is not hard to imagine the devastation that shrapnel could make in such a confined space. Bravo Dafi. Beautifully done.