Louie da fly
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Happy to be of help, Christos. The Byzantine galea YK4 found at Yenikapi (the old harbour of Theodosius) had the rowing benches anywhere between 0.874 and 1.048 metres apart - with an average spacing of 0.96 metres. I found in my own dromon (also with 25 rowing positions, though on two levels rather than one) that allowing for about a meter between benches the bow and stern both needed to be longer than originally estimated. If I were to build it again I would make it 4 metres longer. I think your judgment regarding the bow shape, colours, ornamentation etc could well be better than that of the people who built the Argo reconstruction. -
That's really wonderful work, Dick. The first few pictures were a pleasure to see, but the last three are just a joy to contemplate. Such a beautiful, elegant shape! I look forward to seeing how the stanchion works, (having been "introduced" to Byzantine mast steps in researching my own build).
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Looking very good, Chris. This is turning into a very attractive vessel.
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I love the research you're putting ginto this, Christos. I take it you've seen the footage on Youtube of the Argo reconstruction? and It's hard to count the oars, but I think she's a pentekonter.
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Yes, considering the configuration of the tops, I can't see any other way of doing the "futtock shrouds". Interestingly, neither of the contemporary pictiures of the Great Harry - the Anthony Roll and the Embarkation at Dover - show futtock shrouds. That's not proof they didn't exist, but I've also been through my collection of contemporary and near-contemporary representations of ships, (and as collecting contemporary pictures of ships is a bit of an obsession of mine, that's a pretty big collection) and none of them show futtock shrouds. This isn't something I'd thought to look at before, and it took me by surprise. It is possible they hadn't yet been developed, and that sailors just went up through the lubber hole. None of this affects your model, as you're trying to restore it to its condition when made in the 19th century, but it's an interesting insight.
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She's looking beautiful, Mark
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Well, Bruce's post seems to clear everything up. Slight difference in spelling and not "USS". Your model looks just like the OcCre kit. I don't think the one in Bruce's second link can have anything to do with yours - the only thing they have in common is both being two-masted schooners. Just looking at her, I would have dated her considerably earlier than 1899 - the beakhead, hull shape, gunports and guns make me think of a ship of the 1840's or 1850's at the latest. What the OcCre kit is based on is anybody's guess, but, seriously, who cares? It's a good looking model and you're doing a good job on it. Many kits out there are based more on imagination than anything else. It doesn't stop them being good kits, or resulting in good models. Certainly if you want to follow up further to see if you can find the actual original this model is based on, go right ahead. But even if it's not based on a real ship it doesn't detract from the model itself. When complete it will be something you can be proud of. Keep up the good work!
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A nice achievement, and a good milestone, Jonathan. Sure, you're aware of the faults- but looking at the photos I have to say unless they inspect it with a magnifying glass nobody else will be. They will fade into the background as you progress with the rest of the build, and you've had very valuable planking experience that will stand you in good stead for the next model and the next . . Congratulations, mate.
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Love that Walrus! You've done a brilliant job with it. I was lucky enough to see the restored one at Point Cook RAAF Museum some years ago. I don't know if the same applies to the Prince of Wales, but on HMAS Perth during WWII, apparently the ship's Seagull (basically the same aircraft) was known as the Pusser's Duck.
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Welcome Lyle! Make sure you start a build log so we on MSW get the benefit of your build. It's also a very good way to get help, enouragement and advice.There are very many new people on MSW making a ship model for the first time. Don't be afraid of making mistakes - even the best modellers make them, (though their mistakes are much more interesting than those of us mere mortals). And one of the good things about wooden models is that wood is very forgiving - there is almost no mistake that can't be remedied. Looking forward to seeing you journey into ship modelling. But a warning - don't be surprised if you get addicted
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I was lucky enough to see an exhibition of Turner watercolours many years ago. One of the paintings was "First Rate Taking in Stores" https://www.william-turner.org/A-First-Rate-Taking-In-Stores.html which I've always loved, particularly for its sense of the enormous size of the ship. There's a contemporary description by a witness who watched him painting it - apparently it took him about an hour; he worked at a furious rate. I was amazed how small the painting itself was - 39.7 x 28.6 cm (15.6" x 11.25")!
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Michael, that's a very creditable model. Nothing to be ashamed of or embarrassed about there. You should start a build log, even if she is part way through. A lot of help and advice available that way. I do have a question - I looked up USS Albatross on Wikipedia and there were two of them mentioned, but neither looks like yours. Is there another USS Albatross as well?
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That's very bad news. I hope they have a replacement policy in a case like this.
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The CAD work is fascinating, Kris. But I'm really looking forward to seeing it all"in the flesh" when you start building. I will be very interested in seeing how well the drawing transfers over to the real world. Naturally hoping it all goes off without a hitch, but even if it doesn't to start off with, a very well worthwhile exercise.
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A quick update. For the time being until all the oarsmen are finished all the updates are just going to be adding more oarsmen, I'm afraid. So far I've got 16 finished, four under way.
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Great stuff, Martes.
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Hi Michael and welcome. I second that. If only because we all like to see pics of model ships.
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New to MSW, Tom from The Netherlands
Louie da fly replied to Articcie's topic in New member Introductions
Welcome, Tom. The Victory is a very ambitious build, but if you've already got the experience with others, by no means impossible. I look forward to seeing your build log when you finally receive the kit. -
Nice work, Mike. An impressive model. For your next model, be sure to start a build log - if only so we can see the pretty pictures By the way, where in Oz are you?
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