popeye the sailor Posted February 28, 2018 #121 Posted February 28, 2018 looks awesome Doris.......the nibbing along the waterways is very well done did you cut the planking strips, or are they drawn on? DORIS, BETAQDAVE, Piet and 2 others 5 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
DORIS Posted February 28, 2018 Author #122 Posted February 28, 2018 Thank you for your comment, I´m glad you like the planking. All the strips are separately cut out of self-adhesive foil and glued onto black surface. In the end it is necessary to heat the surface enough to make the glue fully activated. Best regards, Doris RdK, mtaylor, BETAQDAVE and 5 others 8 Quote Doris Current build: HMS Royal Katherine 1664 from card
druxey Posted February 28, 2018 #123 Posted February 28, 2018 I didn't realize that the decks are individually laid strips. Beautifully done. FrankWouts, mtaylor, Piet and 2 others 5 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
DORIS Posted March 1, 2018 Author #124 Posted March 1, 2018 To Druxey: Oh yes, I use individually laid strips on all places with planking for many years. I like this clean work with self-adhesive foils that imitate wooden grain. Today I finished the last deck and now I am working on quarter galerries. It is really difficult task, but I believe in a nice result. In the pics bellow I tried to imitate the possible view of quarter gallery I would like to achieve. Dan Vadas, Mirabell61, FrankWouts and 34 others 37 Quote Doris Current build: HMS Royal Katherine 1664 from card
druxey Posted March 1, 2018 #125 Posted March 1, 2018 I knew that your hull planking was individually laid with self-adhesive foil, but not the decks as well. Impressive! mtaylor, Piet, dj.bobo and 6 others 9 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
Tigersteve Posted March 1, 2018 #126 Posted March 1, 2018 This is crazy good! Steve DORIS, FrankWouts, Piet and 4 others 7 Quote Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways
Hubac's Historian Posted March 2, 2018 #127 Posted March 2, 2018 Great work, as always, Doris! I’m really excited to see your method for framing out the Quarter Galleries. popeye the sailor, mtaylor, davyboy and 4 others 7 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time.
albert Posted March 2, 2018 #128 Posted March 2, 2018 Great beautiful work Doris, your model ship is very very nice. FrankWouts, Piet, DORIS and 2 others 5 Quote
DORIS Posted March 2, 2018 Author #129 Posted March 2, 2018 Thank you very much, dear friends, I am really honored reading your words. I do appreciate it a lot. Today I have started making quarter galleries. I have to admit it was quite difficult and it was necessary to adapt some details on the hull and aft to achieve acceptable result. I create the construction mainly according to historical models of Saint Michael and HMS Prince. http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/65963.html http://www.modelships.de/HMS_Prince_I/dockyard_model_HMS_Prince.htm I am very grateful for a professional help to a top expert from our country - Captain K.L. who helps me with the realistic creating of models. Here are some current pics: NMBROOK, druxey, davyboy and 42 others 45 Quote Doris Current build: HMS Royal Katherine 1664 from card
SJSoane Posted March 2, 2018 #130 Posted March 2, 2018 Oh, my, those quarter galleries look difficult and complex! You are doing a great job. Mark Hubac's Historian, mtaylor, DORIS and 4 others 7 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
Hubac's Historian Posted March 2, 2018 #131 Posted March 2, 2018 This looks incredible, Doris! paulsutcliffe, popeye the sailor, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time.
Piet Posted March 4, 2018 #132 Posted March 4, 2018 Very nice work Doris, it is a joy looking at it all. Those quarter galleries are a work of art and I'm sure you can pull it off. Cheers, DORIS, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum)
DORIS Posted March 5, 2018 Author #133 Posted March 5, 2018 Hello dear friends, thank you very much for your comments and "likes". I am glad, you like my work. On 2. 3. 2018 at 10:18 PM, SJSoane said: Oh, my, those quarter galleries look difficult and complex! You are doing a great job. Mark That's true, I consider the Royal Katherine to be one of the most demanding models I've ever built.... But also is one of the most beautiful. I have made some important changes and improvements of the quarter galleries based on the Captain´s K.L. recommendations and now I am working on the surface finish. Here is the main log where I present my work, you can find there plenty of interesting information and pics as well. http://modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=177&t=110763&start=255#p2091317 I'm still considering to adapt the position and height of the windows. In H.Vale´s painting there are some differences between side and aft view and the windows in Quarter Gallery seems to be higher. Well, I may adapt them to achieve nicer and maybe also more realistic performance of the model. hexnut, Barbossa, albert and 31 others 34 Quote Doris Current build: HMS Royal Katherine 1664 from card
Hubac's Historian Posted March 5, 2018 #134 Posted March 5, 2018 Hi Doris - Marvelous progress! What is the material you are using for the thin moulded strakes that frame the quarter gallery panels; wood, plastic or card? FrankWouts, popeye the sailor, DORIS and 1 other 4 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time.
Mirabell61 Posted March 5, 2018 #135 Posted March 5, 2018 awesome work Doris, thanks for the link to your "main forum"......., it looks like we are witnessing this project (HMS Royal Katherine) to become your ultimate master piece... Nils DORIS, FrankWouts, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
DORIS Posted March 6, 2018 Author #136 Posted March 6, 2018 (edited) Thank you for your comments and feedback, dear friends. 18 hours ago, Hubac'sHistorian said: Hi Doris - Marvelous progress! What is the material you are using for the thin moulded strakes that frame the quarter gallery panels; wood, plastic or card? Well, there are wooden logs of 1 mm diameter glued together on horizontal line and thin strips cut out of self-adhesive foil on vertical line. These strips are only a background for gilded caryatides, soon I will create them from modelling clay. 17 hours ago, Mirabell61 said: awesome work Doris, thanks for the link to your "main forum"......., it looks like we are witnessing this project (HMS Royal Katherine) to become your ultimate master piece... Nils Dear Nils, You are right. I would like to achieve both - the best result in terms of craftsmanship and also the most realistic version of the Royal Katherine. I create and build this model as best I can do to make the result worth it. I admire the art of ship building of our ancestors, it is a great motivation and challenge for me. ******************************** I have adjusted the height of the windows to achieve better result. I have imitated this according to other ship models and painting from this period and also according to the Vale´s painting: http://modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=177&t=110763&p=2092095#p2091987 Edited March 6, 2018 by DORIS Tecko, Captain Poison, prutser and 35 others 38 Quote Doris Current build: HMS Royal Katherine 1664 from card
EdT Posted March 6, 2018 #137 Posted March 6, 2018 Doris, your artistry with card knocks me out. No words. Ed FrankWouts, popeye the sailor, Piet and 6 others 9 Quote All EdT posted material Copyright 2016 Edward J Tosti Young America - extreme clipper 1853 Young America POB Version Modeling the Extreme Clipper Young America Vol 1 1:60 HMS Naiad 1797 The Naiad Frigate Vol I The Naiad Frigate Vol II1:96 Victory
Hubac's Historian Posted March 6, 2018 #138 Posted March 6, 2018 Ahhh, I see. Another question: how do you get the (card?) panels of the quarter galleries - within these framing members - to follow, so neatly, the compound curves that the underlying framework dictates? Because they are painted black, it is hard to read these surfaces for their shape, but they appear to follow these forms perfectly. mtaylor, popeye the sailor, DORIS and 1 other 4 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time.
DORIS Posted March 6, 2018 Author #139 Posted March 6, 2018 EdT: Thank you for your praise, that is a great honour for me. I do appreciate your words a lot. Hubac'sHistorian: Well, its a bit difficult to describe. I use black solid card covered by black foil with fine wooden engraving and from this card I cut out very accurate shapes according the curves of the frame. Some of this shapes are necessary to curve using steam and smooth metal tools. This allows me bending paper into multiple levels. After perfect shapind they are glued on the underlaying framework. I use only a little glue and never touch it by fingers. It is better to show in pics, so I take some photos during process if you wish.;-) Best regards FrankWouts, Dan Vadas, druxey and 8 others 11 Quote Doris Current build: HMS Royal Katherine 1664 from card
Hubac's Historian Posted March 6, 2018 #140 Posted March 6, 2018 I would love to see a photo essay of that process, Doris, but your description gives me a pretty solid idea of it. it seems that steam is the key to getting the card to conform to compound curves. The difficulty must be, first cutting a bit oversized, but close to openning size. Then, once you have the shape you want, trimming edges to land, on-center, on the framing members; more art and intuition than science, I would imagine. By all means, though, post pics if you have the time. Your method, here, is of particular interest, as I consider how I will construct the convoluted surfaces of Soleil Royal’s QGs. I very much appreciate the explanations. DORIS, popeye the sailor, BETAQDAVE and 3 others 6 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time.
druxey Posted March 6, 2018 #141 Posted March 6, 2018 More and more impressive, Doris! DORIS, popeye the sailor, Hubac's Historian and 3 others 6 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
Jim Lad Posted March 6, 2018 #142 Posted March 6, 2018 Those galleries are looking superb, Doris. John popeye the sailor, Piet, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote
Landlubber Mike Posted March 7, 2018 #143 Posted March 7, 2018 Really amazing work. Your simulated wood looks better than my real wood popeye the sailor, DORIS, riverboat and 3 others 6 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
Tecko Posted March 7, 2018 #144 Posted March 7, 2018 That is unbelievably good! popeye the sailor, DORIS, FrankWouts and 2 others 5 Quote Peter. Current Builds: Wardell Bridge, Bridge on River Kwai, ADLIB-1, and the U-2540
archjofo Posted March 7, 2018 #145 Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) Hello Doris, as always, a fantastic good job! Edited March 8, 2018 by archjofo popeye the sailor, DORIS, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Best regards Johann Video: La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette of 1827 - naval artillery La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette - Construction of long boat La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette - Construction of the masts La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette - 2019 La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette - standing rigging - part 1 La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette - standing rigging - part 2 La Créole - Scale 1/48, French corvette - standing rigging - part 3 See also our german forum for Sailing Ship Modeling and History: www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com
DORIS Posted March 8, 2018 Author #146 Posted March 8, 2018 Dear friends, I am pleased, you like my work on Royal Katherine. Thank you very much for your favour and feedback. I have almost finished the second quarter gallery and took some pics from process. It would be better to shoot a video for a clarity, how I shape the card usind steam and suitable tools. Steam helps shaping cause the card is more flexible. At the beginning, I prepare templates from soft paper.Then I redraw them onto a high quality black card coated with a foil with wooden imitation. After shaping I place them onto the right place using tweezers and during drying improve details. I am going to make further changes onto the upper parts of the hull that will help to achieve much more realistic look. Have a great time. mtaylor, Jack12477, paulsutcliffe and 28 others 31 Quote Doris Current build: HMS Royal Katherine 1664 from card
Hubac's Historian Posted March 8, 2018 #147 Posted March 8, 2018 You’re a star, Doris! Thank you for taking the time to illustrate your process, here. You have really de-mystified something that seems complicated; that is, in fact, quite difficult to achieve; and explained it in a way that makes it possible for someone else to achieve it. Thank you, again, Doris! Also, I like your alteration to the window heights. This makes more sense, and the change is a good example of where the modeler, sometimes, has to parse through the intent of the artist - even a really good marine artist like Vale. mtaylor, popeye the sailor, paulsutcliffe and 3 others 6 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time.
DORIS Posted March 9, 2018 Author #148 Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) Hubac'sHistorian: No problem, you are welcome. I am glad I can help. I have made another important change on the model to move it closer to greater historical accuracy. The hull on Vale´s painting and also on other English ships from this period is not so tall, so i decided to reduce its height to the appropriate level. I'm gonna continue on port today an prepare other improvements. Plenty of interesting and useful information is available in my main building log on the Czech forum, where you can also find expert advice and valuable information about real ships from the top expert Kpt.KL., who is my excellent advisor during creation of the Royal Katherine. http://modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=177&t=110763&start=270 Here are some current pics of the model with finished quarter gallery on starboard and reduced upper part of the hull close to aft: Edited March 9, 2018 by DORIS fnkershner, EdT, EricWilliamMarshall and 27 others 30 Quote Doris Current build: HMS Royal Katherine 1664 from card
druxey Posted March 9, 2018 #149 Posted March 9, 2018 Glad you have the courage to revise this, Doris. Dobri! FrankWouts, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
Hubac's Historian Posted March 9, 2018 #150 Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) I think that when you get to constructing the upper finishing of the quarter gallery - with its domed top and coved central recess for the statuary - that the complex shapes would make an excellent topic for an instructional video. That is, if you intend to build them up in the same way as the rest of the QG. Perhaps not, if you are going to carve the upper finishing from a solid block, instead. I also admire your courage in cutting down the sheer, although I agree that it is right to do so. All the best, Marc Edited March 9, 2018 by Hubac'sHistorian mtaylor, BETAQDAVE, DORIS and 2 others 5 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time.
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