Nirvana Posted January 30, 2021 #1231 Posted January 30, 2021 5 hours ago, ccoyle said: Wow. I would cry tears of joy if I could get a planking job that looked that good done in a day. 😑 Me too😀 mtaylor and Canute 2 Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry
chris watton Posted January 31, 2021 Author #1232 Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, SpyGlass said: Congrats on your tanganyika planking .🤢 I was inspired to get out a bit of scrap that I had and try shaping it - not much success - it seemed very brittle no matter what i tried - wet heat, steam, dry heat etc ect? Did you find it more inflexible than other woods or do I just have a duff sample ? And while you are displaying your skill ( how to plank a hull in a day !!!) do help all us mere mortals . I think you seem to favour CA over PVA but - speak - tell us - how do you shape the strips ? The only clue I have ever had when we were discussing things once was that you appeared to be bending the strips with a rusty pair of pliers ! Hi Spyglass I don't know what to tell you, other than I am so used to it I hardly think about the process. I do one plank per side; that is, I lay the plank to see where it needs tapering, mark the spot, wet a little and cut, usually I taper to around half the plank width. No point trying to be too technical and it would never work planking with just a Stanley Knife, steel rule and rusty old plyers to help bending. Although using the Tanganyika, I can just manipulate the required curves with my fingers, as it's much more pliable than pear. Once those planks are glued in place (left and right sides), I start the process again until complete. Worked on wales today, and tried a few ways of offering these in the kit. In the end, my first hunch won the day, but not before I messed up the port side by (stupidly) gluing the three part wale in place. I decided to lay it as if I was a novice, with no bevelling to take into account the curves of the hull, as I know some will do this. The result wasn't pretty. A one piece wale however, is as fool proof as I can make it, and hugged the hull a lot better than I thought it would - so the single piece wale will be the kit version. Also attached is a photo of a 4 piece wale (not tried, as I know I didn't like it - get it wrong when gluing, and it would look awful). The starboard one piece wale is just pinned in place. Edited January 31, 2021 by chris watton James H, Jim Rogers, coxswain and 28 others 31 Vanguard Models on Facebook
JeffT Posted January 31, 2021 #1233 Posted January 31, 2021 I like the kit design. Makes it easier for us mere mortals. mtaylor and Canute 2 Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard
Blue Ensign Posted February 1, 2021 #1234 Posted February 1, 2021 Out of curiosity Chris, what did you base the Top and Butt wale planking on; I don't think I have seen that additional scarph joint arrangement on the legs. B.E. mtaylor, Canute and davyboy 3 Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
amateur Posted February 1, 2021 #1235 Posted February 1, 2021 It is not on the NMM-drawings of the planking. At least, not on the outside planking. It is present on the inside. https://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83709.html (at least, Ithink I have the correct ship....) Jan mtaylor and Canute 2
Blue Ensign Posted February 1, 2021 #1236 Posted February 1, 2021 Thank you Jan, that is something I've not seen before. I wonder if they used a half scarph that wasn't carried through to the external face. I note that the expansion plans were dated 1808 which post dates the other plans by some years. Personally I think the arrangement on the model looks a little too fussy, and although I fitted top and butt wales on my Pegasus build I don't think I could have managed those additional features even if authentic. B.E. Canute and mtaylor 2 Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
chris watton Posted February 1, 2021 Author #1237 Posted February 1, 2021 The wale planking (along with a lot more info) I got from AOTS Pandora, a contemporary of Sphinx albeit slightly larger. The main wale will be painted, with only faint lines shown, so won't look as fussy. Canute, mtaylor, KentM and 1 other 4 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Blue Ensign Posted February 1, 2021 #1238 Posted February 1, 2021 Thanks Chris, I haven’t looked at the Pandora book for a long time, but there it is large as life in full colour. I’m glad I didn’t have to tackle that on my Pegasus.🙄 In the TFFM in relation to Sixth rates David Antscherl comments: There is only space for three strakes in the width of the wale on a sixth rate. The uppermost strake is worked parallel, and the lower two are worked top and butt. In larger ships these strakes were hooked, but in a sixth rate this does not appear to be the case. His reference is the planking elevation, topsides of Hornet, dated 1776. Still it is all academic and you have done a very fine job with Sphinx. Ps Leading me back to Pandora reveals a 22’ Yawl, spritsail rigged, looks like the yawl build will take a bit longer.🙂 Regards, B.E. Canute, mtaylor and chris watton 3 Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
chris watton Posted February 1, 2021 Author #1239 Posted February 1, 2021 I have no idea what TFFM is? For the Sphinx designs, I have copies of the original Admiralty plans (lines and decks). To fill in the gaps, I have used the Marshall paintings and the Pandora book, as this book even has a picture of Sphinx in it, mentioning the classes were very much alike, albeit Pandora being a 24 gun ship. Regarding the etched plank lines, as I mentioned, a lot of the Sphinx is painted, wales are black (so the lines will be very subtle), upper sides are blue with frieze work (if you want to add it), and inner bulwarks and a lot of fittings will be red. The parts are etched on one side only, so you do have a choice to use the unetched side - or just use planking strip. This is what I like about wooden ship models, you can do almost anything you like with it. KentM, Canute, GuntherMT and 3 others 6 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Morgan Posted February 1, 2021 #1240 Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) Just for Info Steel describes these forms of planking as follows: The difference between Top and Butt and Anchor Stock is the first is asymmetrical and the latter symmetrical. Just thought seeing which is which helps the conversation. Little known factoid for fun 🤪, Victory has several surviving 19th Century strakes of Top and Butt planking below the main wale which shows she wasn’t parallel planked, but also points to the Wales probably being one of the other two forms before they ripped them off her in the 1850’s, which leads back to the Sphinx Wales being planked Hook and Butt as well. Gary Edited February 1, 2021 by Morgan mtaylor, KentM, chris watton and 1 other 4
DelF Posted February 1, 2021 #1241 Posted February 1, 2021 33 minutes ago, chris watton said: I have no idea what TFFM is? The Fully Framed Model, four volumes series on scratch building a Swan class sloop, by David Antscherl and Greg Herbert. See here. Fantastic series, often quoted on the forum hence the tendency to refer to it simply as TFFM. Derek Canute, mtaylor and chris watton 3 Cheers, Derek Current build: Duchess of Kingston On hold: HMS Winchelsea Previous builds: HMS Speedy, English Pinnace, Royal Yacht Caroline (gallery), Victory Cross-section (gallery), US Clipper Albatros, Red Dragon (years ago!) On the stocks: 18th Century Longboat
Gregory Posted February 1, 2021 #1242 Posted February 1, 2021 With regard to these planking drawings, What is the significance of the red vs the black drawings? Sphinx 1775 mtaylor and Canute 2 “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon
chris watton Posted February 2, 2021 Author #1243 Posted February 2, 2021 11 hours ago, Gregory said: With regard to these planking drawings, What is the significance of the red vs the black drawings? Sphinx 1775 I 'think' the black is the general lines and the red is internal/fittings. Some plans also have green, which usually indicates further changes to future classes of the same vessel. Nirvana, KentM, Clark and 3 others 6 Vanguard Models on Facebook
paul carruthers Posted February 4, 2021 #1244 Posted February 4, 2021 On 1/30/2021 at 4:17 PM, chris watton said: OK, I never meant to plank the whole Sphinx hull, as this model will be thrown away once all the info I need has been taken from it. But couldn't help myself. this is a very quick planking job (a day), using scrap 1x4 Tanganyika instead of wasting the pear on a disposable hull - no filling, just a quick sand so I have a smooth (ish) surface for checking all parts that are to be fixed to it. I am happy with the hull lines, nice shape to plank, too. What are the dimensions? Thankyou. KentM, Canute, hollowneck and 3 others 6
chris watton Posted February 4, 2021 Author #1245 Posted February 4, 2021 17 minutes ago, paul carruthers said: What are the dimensions? Thankyou. Overall length will be around 785mm (with bowsprit), hull length will be around 610mm paul carruthers, mtaylor, Canute and 2 others 5 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Nirvana Posted February 4, 2021 #1246 Posted February 4, 2021 On 2/1/2021 at 4:31 PM, chris watton said: I 'think' the black is the general lines and the red is internal/fittings. Some plans also have green, which usually indicates further changes to future classes of the same vessel. Having lines in various colors depending what they are, is a help if it's related in the building instructions. Helping to identify a certain plan or level. Canute, mtaylor and chris watton 3 Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry
Clark Posted February 5, 2021 #1247 Posted February 5, 2021 On 1/25/2021 at 10:54 PM, chris watton said: Thank you very much! Jim has done a superb job in putting them together. And to think, a year ago he hadn't touched any wooden kit for years! They do, they are my US distributors. Pinnace kit arrived yesterday (ordered 10 d ago). Looks perfect. Recommendation to all not only to those who like details. Clark chris watton, mtaylor, GuntherMT and 1 other 4 Current Build HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Clark - Vanguard Models - 1:64 scale Previous Builds 24 ft Launch by Clark - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1:64 scale; Gun crew by Clark - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64; Reale de France by Clark – FINISHED - Corel - Scale 1:64; HMS Pegasus Amati; Sphinx - Vanguard models; Mystique / Misticque; Corel; 1:50; xebec;
chris watton Posted February 5, 2021 Author #1248 Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) Cheers! Stock for the new boats is very low (34 foot launch sold out) until the new sets of photo etched brass arrives, hopefully in the next week or two. Two more are almost ready, both 32 footers, a barge and pinnace, around 151mm long. Again, thanks to James Hatch. Edited February 5, 2021 by chris watton Matt D, Edwardkenway, KentM and 21 others 24 Vanguard Models on Facebook
drjeckl Posted February 5, 2021 #1249 Posted February 5, 2021 Chris, Just wanted to congratulate you on your deal with Modelers Central. I just got their monthly email that discusses this: The Vanguard Models range of model ship kits are the highest quality model ship kits currently on the market. They are for the discerning model ship builder wanting to build a quality model that is a "cut above" all the other brands. All the Vanguard Model range of kits are designed and developed by Chris Watton, a world-renowned designer of wooden model ship kits and is best known for his work with companies such as Amati/Victory Models. Each kit in the Vanguard Models range is expertly designed and presented. Pearwood is used as the second layer of planking along with many laser cut parts. The building instructions are full colour A3 size showing every step of the model’s construction. The Vanguard Model range of wooden model ship kits are truly the pinnacle of modeling perfection. Pretty nice endorsement (my highlighting) . I bought your Speedy back last year and it's still on deck to be my 2nd build. If (when) I make it through Speedy, I can't wait to see what choices Vanguard will have for me then. Again, congratulations and keep up the extradorinary work. John ccoyle, Gord-Canada, James H and 15 others 18 .John Current Build: Lady Nelson Next up: Speedy (Vanguard Models)
paul carruthers Posted February 5, 2021 #1250 Posted February 5, 2021 On 2/4/2021 at 1:01 PM, chris watton said: Overall length will be around 785mm (with bowsprit), hull length will be around 610mm When can I send you the money? I want one! mtaylor, chris watton, austristan and 1 other 4
James H Posted February 7, 2021 #1251 Posted February 7, 2021 Since I've been doing a few photos on something else, I thought I'd take this one of the EIGHT ship's boats I've built for VM so far. I can almost do these with my eyes closed now. 😆 ccoyle, Alexander Bulimov, Archi and 32 others 34 1 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: Zip, nada! On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
JeffT Posted February 7, 2021 #1252 Posted February 7, 2021 It would take me 6 months to do one 🤣 Canute, VTHokiEE and mtaylor 2 1 Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard
glbarlow Posted February 7, 2021 #1253 Posted February 7, 2021 Can you mail me the three that will go with Sphinx 😂🤣😂🤣 Rustyj, Canute, hollowneck and 3 others 3 3 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Royal Barge, Medway Long Boat Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose
James H Posted February 8, 2021 #1254 Posted February 8, 2021 9 hours ago, glbarlow said: Can you mail me the three that will go with Sphinx 😂🤣😂🤣 Haha! I would, but there is another valid reason for doing all these now... When the ships are being built, I can use these finished models, including the photo set, to save time. All I need to do is add the pics to the instructions and sit the boat straight on the deck/beam. BobG, mtaylor, jpalmer1970 and 7 others 10 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: Zip, nada! On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
maaaslo Posted February 9, 2021 #1255 Posted February 9, 2021 On 2/8/2021 at 7:15 AM, James H said: Haha! I would, but there is another valid reason for doing all these now... When the ships are being built, I can use these finished models, including the photo set, to save time. All I need to do is add the pics to the instructions and sit the boat straight on the deck/beam. oi, thats cheating!!! Canute and mtaylor 2 Pavol stands for Paul, Pablo, Paolo etc. Please do not try to pronounce it, just call me Pav...
Mike_H Posted February 19, 2021 #1256 Posted February 19, 2021 Hi Chris. Hope things are going OK with you, the business and Sphinx. I had got used the breakneck progress you were making, and miss the frequent updates. I'll try to be patient (and concentrate on the build in hand). Mike Canute, chris watton and mtaylor 3 Current Build:😪 Completed: Endeavour's Longboat - Artesania Latina HMS Snake - Caldercraft HMS Alert - Vanguard Models
James H Posted February 19, 2021 #1257 Posted February 19, 2021 21 minutes ago, Mike_H said: Hi Chris. Hope things are going OK with you, the business and Sphinx. I had got used the breakneck progress you were making, and miss the frequent updates. I'll try to be patient (and concentrate on the build in hand). Mike He's told me to tell you he has been without internet/phone for a couple of days, and his business relies on it of course. In his area, even the mobile telephone signal is really poor too. All should be sorted early next week. Canute, chris watton, coxswain and 1 other 2 2 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: Zip, nada! On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
glbarlow Posted February 19, 2021 #1258 Posted February 19, 2021 I like to demonstrate my lack of nautical knowledge. I have no clue which boats are which and why there are 8 different ones...boat..oars...long...short apparently doesn’t cover it😂🤣 chris watton, mtaylor and Canute 3 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Royal Barge, Medway Long Boat Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose
James H Posted February 19, 2021 #1259 Posted February 19, 2021 28 minutes ago, glbarlow said: I like to demonstrate my lack of nautical knowledge. I have no clue which boats are which and why there are 8 different ones...boat..oars...long...short apparently doesn’t cover it😂🤣 I had no idea about the differences between a cutter, pinnace, launch or barge before I built these. Now, I feel like an expert 😆 Canute, coxswain, chris watton and 3 others 6 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: Zip, nada! On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
Jim Rogers Posted February 19, 2021 #1260 Posted February 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, James H said: I had no idea about the differences between a cutter, pinnace, launch or barge before I built these. Now, I feel like an expert 😆 Please share your expertise. Canute, mtaylor and chris watton 3 Regards, Jim Rogers Damn the Torpedoes , Full speed ahead. Adm David Farragut.
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