chris watton Posted October 9 Author Share #601 Posted October 9 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Morgan said: Chris, I’d start a separate thread for this, you’re going to get inundated as all Aubrey fabs start dusting off their books and sift them for clues as to what she looked like according to O’Brian 😁 Gary Early days She will have a full suite of 3-d printed ships boats. I will not add the 36 gun frigate main mast (Surprise was a relatively small frigate, really a corvette, being no larger than the 32 gun Amazon Class from the 1770's), so the only real change will be the guns. It will be based off the original lines, and not the Rose from the film, as Rose was a lot smaller than the real Surprise. Edited October 9 by chris watton ccoyle, PaddyO, hollowneck and 10 others 13 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted October 9 Share #602 Posted October 9 53 minutes ago, Morgan said: I’d start a separate thread for this I agree, in this instance, given the popularity of the subject and the fact that fans of Surprise have been waiting for over two decades for this announcement. I suspect such a thread will attract a lot of attention. I'd be happy to split the relevant posts off into a new topic for you, @chris watton. Canute, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 9 Author Share #603 Posted October 9 I do promise that I shall do my best not to disappoint regarding this kit - it won't be cheap, though.... mtaylor, HardeeHarHar, KentM and 10 others 13 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvdhee Posted October 9 Share #604 Posted October 9 Sign me up! 😀 Is the sudden switch due to a film we don't know about yet? Canute, chris watton, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Walter. Current build: Thinking about it Finished build: HMS Flirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted October 9 Share #605 Posted October 9 Yay!!!!! Is there a new thread to follow? Great that you’re making it true to the actual Surprise/book version, not the Rose, though I bet some commenter will take exception. I care nothing about tables or sloths, glad for long guns. I’ll be on the first buy list. mtaylor, AJohnson, thibaultron and 4 others 7 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvdhee Posted October 9 Share #606 Posted October 9 Really exciting 😃 And then the figurines that go with it and us all whining that Russel Crowe's left nostril really isn't like modelled 😅 davyboy, uss frolick, mtaylor and 6 others 9 Walter. Current build: Thinking about it Finished build: HMS Flirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted October 9 Share #607 Posted October 9 I will be starting a build log for this. Could be an idea to open one where Chris can post in the development which then morphs into the build as it progresses. TJM, hollowneck, PaddyO and 9 others 12 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 9 Author Share #608 Posted October 9 Once I have completed Harpy production (seems to be going on forerver, so many bits...), I can then sink my teeth into Surprise designs. Ronald-V, ccoyle, Canute and 8 others 11 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunnels Posted October 9 Share #609 Posted October 9 I will definitively be one of the first on the buy list, frigates are my favorite vessels and like many the Surprise has a special place, the Master and Commander movie is what really kicked off my love for the age of sail, and one of my favorite memories of my youth is seeing the movie in theaters with my dad and brother when I was in high school. I've been reading the books and I get a smile every time the Surprise appears. oakheart, chris watton, AJohnson and 5 others 8 Current Build HMS Sphinx, Vanguard Models 1:64 Scale Finished Builds: HMS Beagle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 9 Author Share #610 Posted October 9 (edited) I will definitely do a Phoebe (36 – stretched Perseverance Class of 1795) at some point. Frigates are my favourite, too… Edited October 9 by chris watton brunnels, wvdhee, PaddyO and 7 others 7 3 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJohnson Posted October 9 Share #611 Posted October 9 4 hours ago, chris watton said: So my 18th kit will be a 64th scale model of HMS Surprise - This is definite, and will start work on this immediately. The model will be of the fictional version, so long guns instead of carronades. Shut the front door! 🚪 🤣 2 hours ago, Morgan said: Chris, I’d start a separate thread for this, you’re going to get inundated as all Aubrey fabs start dusting off their books and sift them for clues as to what she looked like according to O’Brian 😁 Gary Agreed you are are going to be swamped by comments, time for Volume III I think! 😂 chris watton, Craigie65, Canute and 7 others 4 6 Andrew Current builds:- HM Gun-brig Sparkler - Vanguard (1/64) , HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64) Completed (Kits):- Vanguard Models (1/64) :- HM Cutter Trial , Nisha - Brixham trawler Caldercraft (1/64) :- HMS Orestes(Mars), HM Cutter Sherbourne Paper Shipwright (1/250) :- TSS Earnslaw, Puffer Starlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted October 9 Share #612 Posted October 9 2 hours ago, AJohnson said: Shut the front door! 🚪 🤣 Agreed you are are going to be swamped by comments, time for Volume III I think! 😂 We're going to do something a little different. We'll start a log which will show you some of the design processes as they move along, culminating in the prototype build. Clark, BobG, Rustyj and 26 others 24 5 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkuehn Posted October 9 Share #613 Posted October 9 I picked a good time to start back on model ships again after a 4 year hiatus. AJohnson, chris watton, mtaylor and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronald-V Posted October 9 Share #614 Posted October 9 3 minutes ago, James H said: We're going to do something a little different. We'll start a log which will show you some of the design processes as they move along, culminating in the prototype build. Very cool! The design process fascinates me also By the way...cool profile picture James HardeeHarHar, brunnels, JpR62 and 6 others 9 Currently working on the HMS Sphinx from Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted October 9 Share #615 Posted October 9 2 hours ago, James H said: show you some of the design processes That will be very interesting to follow, what an excellent idea this will be on my Christmas list for sure. Tim thibaultron, Canute, chris watton and 2 others 5 Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 9 Author Share #616 Posted October 9 4 minutes ago, oakheart said: That will be very interesting to follow, what an excellent idea this will be on my Christmas list for sure. Tim To be clear, not this Christmas! CiscoH, Craigie65, AJohnson and 14 others 2 15 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiscoH Posted October 10 Share #617 Posted October 10 I may be opening a can of worms here but how do you navigate copyright in this instance? Its a ship that isn't fictional, but the author's imagined ship kind of is. Replacing carronades with long guns isn't too controversial, but other details (like the enlarged mainmast which I know you are not including) theoretically could be. Also i am very interested in following along the kit development process. Its like magic how fast you develop your kits from scratch! I'm inching along on my 2nd kit build and after 2 years have almost made it to main deck furniture. thibaultron, Canute and mtaylor 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASAT Posted October 10 Share #618 Posted October 10 Hi Chris, so where does the Surprise decision put the Bristol in the order of things to come? Canute, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Lou, In Pleasant View Harvey by ASAT- AL Scale 1:50 - Kitbash Fair American by ASAT - LSS Craftsman Plus https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23121-revenge-1577-by-asat-amati-164/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakheart Posted October 10 Share #619 Posted October 10 12 hours ago, chris watton said: not this Christmas! No matter, it stays on the list. I really look forward to seeing the progress, very exciting Tim mtaylor, Canute and thibaultron 3 Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 10 Author Share #620 Posted October 10 6 hours ago, CiscoH said: I may be opening a can of worms here but how do you navigate copyright in this instance? Its a ship that isn't fictional, but the author's imagined ship kind of is. Replacing carronades with long guns isn't too controversial, but other details (like the enlarged mainmast which I know you are not including) theoretically could be. Eh! 4 hours ago, ASAT said: Hi Chris, so where does the Surprise decision put the Bristol in the order of things to come? Bristol is still and will always be a definite. 42 minutes ago, oakheart said: No matter, it stays on the list. I really look forward to seeing the progress, very exciting Tim Cheers! hollowneck, Ronald-V, Canute and 5 others 8 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 10 Author Share #621 Posted October 10 (edited) I just had my new machined walnut block sets for Sphinx arrive, so these are back in stock: HMS Sphinx Machined walnut Block Set – VANGUARD MODELS Also, my large shipment of PE copper for Indy, Speedy and Harpy arrived last week, after a 2 year wait (for the Indy and Speedy copper PE)! ETA - here is the Speedy and Indy specific copper sheets, these are extras that will go with the standard PE copper tiles, just need to add the stock... Edited October 10 by chris watton uss frolick, Canute, JpR62 and 16 others 16 3 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vane Posted October 14 Share #622 Posted October 14 What a surprise...! I know its not the real thing but I got to see the movie ship back in 2012 when I was visiting San Diego. I just looked at the old Caldercraft project of Surprise. Not sure why they never finished it. I remember being very excited about that release but seeing the photos now it looks very dated and undetailed. It will be really interesting to see what you will come up with. I am sure you will do her justice. thibaultron, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted October 14 Share #623 Posted October 14 10 hours ago, Vane said: I remember being very excited about that release You and a lot of other people -- who are all much older now and still waiting! mtaylor, Canute, davyboy and 2 others 5 Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 14 Author Share #624 Posted October 14 8 minutes ago, ccoyle said: You and a lot of other people -- who are all much older now and still waiting! It will be Vanguard Models' 18th kit, so hopefully by this time next year, it would have already been released KentM, Ronald-V, Canute and 11 others 14 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Posted October 15 Share #625 Posted October 15 On 10/10/2024 at 2:43 PM, chris watton said: I just had my new machined walnut block sets for Sphinx arrive, so these are back in stock: HMS Sphinx Machined walnut Block Set – VANGUARD MODELS Also, my large shipment of PE copper for Indy, Speedy and Harpy arrived last week, after a 2 year wait (for the Indy and Speedy copper PE)! ETA - here is the Speedy and Indy specific copper sheets, these are extras that will go with the standard PE copper tiles, just need to add the stock... Can you already estimate when you will put the sheets up for sale. Nirvana, mtaylor, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 15 Author Share #626 Posted October 15 3 minutes ago, Clark said: Can you already estimate when you will put the sheets up for sale. Hopefully in a couple of weeks, once we have time to sort through the pallet. Clark, Canute, Nirvana and 2 others 5 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 15 Author Share #627 Posted October 15 (edited) I seem to always pick the ones with odd pump arrangements. For Surprise, should I go with a typical chain pump and housing config, or, as seems to be the case with the original plans, 3 hand pumps per side? Anyone got any better diagrams for this? Edited October 15 by chris watton Nirvana, mgatrost, AJohnson and 4 others 7 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted October 15 Share #628 Posted October 15 Chain pump. chris watton, Nirvana, Canute and 3 others 6 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted October 15 Share #629 Posted October 15 Were the hand pumps a French thing, or a re-fit. thibaultron, Nirvana, Canute and 1 other 4 “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted October 15 Author Share #630 Posted October 15 Plans I have show her after conversion, as the capstans have been changed and moved. Nirvana, mtaylor, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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