chris watton Posted October 9 Author #601 Posted October 9 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Morgan said: Chris, I’d start a separate thread for this, you’re going to get inundated as all Aubrey fabs start dusting off their books and sift them for clues as to what she looked like according to O’Brian 😁 Gary Early days She will have a full suite of 3-d printed ships boats. I will not add the 36 gun frigate main mast (Surprise was a relatively small frigate, really a corvette, being no larger than the 32 gun Amazon Class from the 1770's), so the only real change will be the guns. It will be based off the original lines, and not the Rose from the film, as Rose was a lot smaller than the real Surprise. Edited October 9 by chris watton ccoyle, Canute, scrubbyj427 and 10 others 13 Vanguard Models on Facebook
ccoyle Posted October 9 #602 Posted October 9 53 minutes ago, Morgan said: I’d start a separate thread for this I agree, in this instance, given the popularity of the subject and the fact that fans of Surprise have been waiting for over two decades for this announcement. I suspect such a thread will attract a lot of attention. I'd be happy to split the relevant posts off into a new topic for you, @chris watton. mtaylor, thibaultron and Canute 3 Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, DS Børøysund
chris watton Posted October 9 Author #603 Posted October 9 I do promise that I shall do my best not to disappoint regarding this kit - it won't be cheap, though.... hollowneck, JeffT, HardeeHarHar and 10 others 13 Vanguard Models on Facebook
wvdhee Posted October 9 #604 Posted October 9 Sign me up! 😀 Is the sudden switch due to a film we don't know about yet? AJohnson, thibaultron, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Walter. Current build: Thinking about it Finished build: HMS Flirt
glbarlow Posted October 9 #605 Posted October 9 Yay!!!!! Is there a new thread to follow? Great that you’re making it true to the actual Surprise/book version, not the Rose, though I bet some commenter will take exception. I care nothing about tables or sloths, glad for long guns. I’ll be on the first buy list. AJohnson, mtaylor, chris watton and 4 others 7 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose
wvdhee Posted October 9 #606 Posted October 9 Really exciting 😃 And then the figurines that go with it and us all whining that Russel Crowe's left nostril really isn't like modelled 😅 chris watton, mtaylor, Captain Cambo and 6 others 9 Walter. Current build: Thinking about it Finished build: HMS Flirt
James H Posted October 9 #607 Posted October 9 I will be starting a build log for this. Could be an idea to open one where Chris can post in the development which then morphs into the build as it progresses. hollowneck, Canute, thibaultron and 9 others 12 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: Zip, nada! On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
chris watton Posted October 9 Author #608 Posted October 9 Once I have completed Harpy production (seems to be going on forerver, so many bits...), I can then sink my teeth into Surprise designs. thibaultron, Ronald-V, ccoyle and 8 others 11 Vanguard Models on Facebook
brunnels Posted October 9 #609 Posted October 9 I will definitively be one of the first on the buy list, frigates are my favorite vessels and like many the Surprise has a special place, the Master and Commander movie is what really kicked off my love for the age of sail, and one of my favorite memories of my youth is seeing the movie in theaters with my dad and brother when I was in high school. I've been reading the books and I get a smile every time the Surprise appears. mtaylor, chris watton, thibaultron and 5 others 8 Current Build HMS Sphinx, Vanguard Models 1:64 Scale Finished Builds: HMS Beagle
chris watton Posted October 9 Author #610 Posted October 9 (edited) I will definitely do a Phoebe (36 – stretched Perseverance Class of 1795) at some point. Frigates are my favourite, too… Edited October 9 by chris watton mtaylor, thibaultron, KentM and 7 others 7 3 Vanguard Models on Facebook
AJohnson Posted October 9 #611 Posted October 9 4 hours ago, chris watton said: So my 18th kit will be a 64th scale model of HMS Surprise - This is definite, and will start work on this immediately. The model will be of the fictional version, so long guns instead of carronades. Shut the front door! 🚪 🤣 2 hours ago, Morgan said: Chris, I’d start a separate thread for this, you’re going to get inundated as all Aubrey fabs start dusting off their books and sift them for clues as to what she looked like according to O’Brian 😁 Gary Agreed you are are going to be swamped by comments, time for Volume III I think! 😂 Knocklouder, HardeeHarHar, wvdhee and 7 others 4 6 Andrew Current builds:- HM Gun-brig Sparkler - Vanguard (1/64) , HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64) Completed (Kits):- Vanguard Models (1/64) :- HM Cutter Trial , Nisha - Brixham trawler Caldercraft (1/64) :- HMS Orestes(Mars), HM Cutter Sherbourne Paper Shipwright (1/250) :- TSS Earnslaw, Puffer Starlight
James H Posted October 9 #612 Posted October 9 2 hours ago, AJohnson said: Shut the front door! 🚪 🤣 Agreed you are are going to be swamped by comments, time for Volume III I think! 😂 We're going to do something a little different. We'll start a log which will show you some of the design processes as they move along, culminating in the prototype build. JeffT, PaddyO, mtaylor and 26 others 24 5 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: Zip, nada! On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
dkuehn Posted October 9 #613 Posted October 9 I picked a good time to start back on model ships again after a 4 year hiatus. Viggen, HardeeHarHar, Canute and 7 others 9 1
Ronald-V Posted October 9 #614 Posted October 9 3 minutes ago, James H said: We're going to do something a little different. We'll start a log which will show you some of the design processes as they move along, culminating in the prototype build. Very cool! The design process fascinates me also By the way...cool profile picture James Canute, brunnels, chris watton and 6 others 9 Currently working on the HMS Sphinx from Vanguard Models
oakheart Posted October 9 #615 Posted October 9 2 hours ago, James H said: show you some of the design processes That will be very interesting to follow, what an excellent idea this will be on my Christmas list for sure. Tim chris watton, Canute, AJohnson and 2 others 5 Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last....
chris watton Posted October 9 Author #616 Posted October 9 4 minutes ago, oakheart said: That will be very interesting to follow, what an excellent idea this will be on my Christmas list for sure. Tim To be clear, not this Christmas! CiscoH, DelF, Viggen and 14 others 2 15 Vanguard Models on Facebook
CiscoH Posted October 10 #617 Posted October 10 I may be opening a can of worms here but how do you navigate copyright in this instance? Its a ship that isn't fictional, but the author's imagined ship kind of is. Replacing carronades with long guns isn't too controversial, but other details (like the enlarged mainmast which I know you are not including) theoretically could be. Also i am very interested in following along the kit development process. Its like magic how fast you develop your kits from scratch! I'm inching along on my 2nd kit build and after 2 years have almost made it to main deck furniture. Canute, thibaultron and mtaylor 3
ASAT Posted October 10 #618 Posted October 10 Hi Chris, so where does the Surprise decision put the Bristol in the order of things to come? Canute, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Lou, In Pleasant View Harvey by ASAT- AL Scale 1:50 - Kitbash Fair American by ASAT - LSS Craftsman Plus https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23121-revenge-1577-by-asat-amati-164/
oakheart Posted October 10 #619 Posted October 10 12 hours ago, chris watton said: not this Christmas! No matter, it stays on the list. I really look forward to seeing the progress, very exciting Tim Canute, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Current Builds : Cutter "Speedy" 1828 from Plans by Bill Shoulders at 148 Bounty Launch - Scratch build - FINISHED 85 ft. Harbour Tug. scratch built from plans by Francis Smith. ( FINISHED but no build log for this ) HMS Lightning. kit bashed from Deans Marine HMS Kelly kit ( FINISHED ) yes at last....
chris watton Posted October 10 Author #620 Posted October 10 6 hours ago, CiscoH said: I may be opening a can of worms here but how do you navigate copyright in this instance? Its a ship that isn't fictional, but the author's imagined ship kind of is. Replacing carronades with long guns isn't too controversial, but other details (like the enlarged mainmast which I know you are not including) theoretically could be. Eh! 4 hours ago, ASAT said: Hi Chris, so where does the Surprise decision put the Bristol in the order of things to come? Bristol is still and will always be a definite. 42 minutes ago, oakheart said: No matter, it stays on the list. I really look forward to seeing the progress, very exciting Tim Cheers! mtaylor, Ronald-V, PaddyO and 5 others 8 Vanguard Models on Facebook
chris watton Posted October 10 Author #621 Posted October 10 (edited) I just had my new machined walnut block sets for Sphinx arrive, so these are back in stock: HMS Sphinx Machined walnut Block Set – VANGUARD MODELS Also, my large shipment of PE copper for Indy, Speedy and Harpy arrived last week, after a 2 year wait (for the Indy and Speedy copper PE)! ETA - here is the Speedy and Indy specific copper sheets, these are extras that will go with the standard PE copper tiles, just need to add the stock... Edited October 10 by chris watton Ronald-V, Canute, brunnels and 16 others 16 3 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Vane Posted October 14 #622 Posted October 14 What a surprise...! I know its not the real thing but I got to see the movie ship back in 2012 when I was visiting San Diego. I just looked at the old Caldercraft project of Surprise. Not sure why they never finished it. I remember being very excited about that release but seeing the photos now it looks very dated and undetailed. It will be really interesting to see what you will come up with. I am sure you will do her justice. AJohnson, mtaylor, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64)
ccoyle Posted October 14 #623 Posted October 14 10 hours ago, Vane said: I remember being very excited about that release You and a lot of other people -- who are all much older now and still waiting! mtaylor, davyboy, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, DS Børøysund
chris watton Posted October 14 Author #624 Posted October 14 8 minutes ago, ccoyle said: You and a lot of other people -- who are all much older now and still waiting! It will be Vanguard Models' 18th kit, so hopefully by this time next year, it would have already been released KentM, mtaylor, Craigie65 and 11 others 14 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Clark Posted October 15 #625 Posted October 15 On 10/10/2024 at 2:43 PM, chris watton said: I just had my new machined walnut block sets for Sphinx arrive, so these are back in stock: HMS Sphinx Machined walnut Block Set – VANGUARD MODELS Also, my large shipment of PE copper for Indy, Speedy and Harpy arrived last week, after a 2 year wait (for the Indy and Speedy copper PE)! ETA - here is the Speedy and Indy specific copper sheets, these are extras that will go with the standard PE copper tiles, just need to add the stock... Can you already estimate when you will put the sheets up for sale. Canute, thibaultron, mtaylor and 1 other 4
chris watton Posted October 15 Author #626 Posted October 15 3 minutes ago, Clark said: Can you already estimate when you will put the sheets up for sale. Hopefully in a couple of weeks, once we have time to sort through the pallet. Canute, Nirvana, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Vanguard Models on Facebook
chris watton Posted October 15 Author #627 Posted October 15 (edited) I seem to always pick the ones with odd pump arrangements. For Surprise, should I go with a typical chain pump and housing config, or, as seems to be the case with the original plans, 3 hand pumps per side? Anyone got any better diagrams for this? Edited October 15 by chris watton Archi, mtaylor, AJohnson and 4 others 7 Vanguard Models on Facebook
James H Posted October 15 #628 Posted October 15 Chain pump. Canute, thibaultron, chris watton and 3 others 6 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: Zip, nada! On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
Gregory Posted October 15 #629 Posted October 15 Were the hand pumps a French thing, or a re-fit. Canute, Nirvana, mtaylor and 1 other 4 “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon
chris watton Posted October 15 Author #630 Posted October 15 Plans I have show her after conversion, as the capstans have been changed and moved. Canute, AJohnson, Nirvana and 2 others 5 Vanguard Models on Facebook
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