druxey Posted August 24, 2015 Share #481 Posted August 24, 2015 I agree: Taking time to plan and draw the planking layout and shift of butts is never a waste of time! It will save grief later on. Rustyj, dvm27, WackoWolf and 7 others 10 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian B Posted August 25, 2015 Share #482 Posted August 25, 2015 Hi-- did the Cheerful have scuppers or some other way of clearing water? If some waves broke over her she could end up with a foot of water sloshing around? GLakie, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote HMAV Bounty 'Billings' completed ⛵ HMS Cheerful - Syren-Chuck' completed Steam Pinnace 199 'Billings bashed' - completed ⚓ HMS Ledbury F30 --White Ensign -completed 😎 HMS Vanguard 'Victory models'-- completed Bismarck Amati 1/200 --underway 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted August 25, 2015 Author Share #483 Posted August 25, 2015 Yes indeed...they are shown on the plans. mtaylor and GLakie 2 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenW Posted August 25, 2015 Share #484 Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) It's really quite amazing, but now that I look at the plans for the boat I'm building (the Rattlesnake), the deck planks are curved just like you say. I never noticed before. Edited August 26, 2015 by KenW mtaylor, Canute, Jack12477 and 2 others 5 Quote Ken NO PIRACY 4 ME! (SUPPORTING CHUCKS' IDEA) Current Build: Washington 1776 Galley Completed Builds: Pilot Boat Mary (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Continental Boat Providence (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Continental Ship Independence (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Rattlesnake (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Armed Virginia Sloop (from Completed Gallery) Fair American (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build Log) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian B Posted August 25, 2015 Share #485 Posted August 25, 2015 ha ha I thought they were rings on the plans and something to do with the rigging silly me GLakie, Canute, Chuck and 1 other 4 Quote HMAV Bounty 'Billings' completed ⛵ HMS Cheerful - Syren-Chuck' completed Steam Pinnace 199 'Billings bashed' - completed ⚓ HMS Ledbury F30 --White Ensign -completed 😎 HMS Vanguard 'Victory models'-- completed Bismarck Amati 1/200 --underway 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted August 29, 2015 Share #486 Posted August 29, 2015 (edited) Spent hours this morning on this great log Chuck. You can count me among the builders of your cutter. Building at 1/4" scale will be a real treat. Your work is masterful, as usual, and I can't wait to place my order and get cranking. I'm now wondering how she will look with bamboo planking. Hmmmm Dave Edited August 30, 2015 by SawdustDave GLakie, Canute, Chuck and 1 other 4 Quote Sawdust Dave - Current build - USS Constitution 1:60th (scratch).... Visit my blog site - All previous builds.... http://davesmodelships.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted August 29, 2015 Share #487 Posted August 29, 2015 OK.... just placed my order. Decided to let you burn my frames and keel. Chuck, augie, GLakie and 4 others 7 Quote Sawdust Dave - Current build - USS Constitution 1:60th (scratch).... Visit my blog site - All previous builds.... http://davesmodelships.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted September 10, 2015 Share #488 Posted September 10, 2015 Plans and bulkheads arrived today.... they look great. I'm really looking forward to working at 1:48th scale. Can't wait to get started. Stuntflyer, mtaylor, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Sawdust Dave - Current build - USS Constitution 1:60th (scratch).... Visit my blog site - All previous builds.... http://davesmodelships.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share #489 Posted September 28, 2015 And finally....the deck is planked. This is a big milestone for me because it is the last really big messy job to be done. The remainder of the project will be small fittings and less sanding. There will be less dust and less paint touch up. The planking was pretty straight forward after having lined off the deck. I just following the plan I drew on the false deck. Each plank was tapered to match. The scarphed planks were handles much the same way the drop plank was on the outside of the hull. If I thought it was needed, I made a card stock template. The scarphed planks were cut from wider stock (7/32" or even 1/4" wide planks). Next I will create the rudder port because it will be the last time I can turn the hull upside down without too much trouble. Once that is done I will return outboard and finish off all of the details. The boom crutches, boarding ladders, scuppers and channels etc. Jay 1, druxey, DavidM and 38 others 41 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted September 28, 2015 Share #490 Posted September 28, 2015 Beautiful work Chuck. I really like the look of the curved planking. You've made it tough for the rest of us not to do it this way. Bob Dubz, Canute, Jack12477 and 4 others 7 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted September 28, 2015 Share #491 Posted September 28, 2015 Nice to see the deck planking done as it actually was in those days! No excuses any more, folks.... Rustyj, Stuntflyer, Remcohe and 5 others 8 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenW Posted September 28, 2015 Share #492 Posted September 28, 2015 I also like the new method of planking. I'm in the process of lining of my deck. Is there any convention as to when a plank ends? Like perhaps when it gets to one half the original thickness? Your workmanship is excellent, as usual. Canute, GLakie and mtaylor 3 Quote Ken NO PIRACY 4 ME! (SUPPORTING CHUCKS' IDEA) Current Build: Washington 1776 Galley Completed Builds: Pilot Boat Mary (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Continental Boat Providence (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Continental Ship Independence (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Rattlesnake (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Armed Virginia Sloop (from Completed Gallery) Fair American (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build Log) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted September 28, 2015 Share #493 Posted September 28, 2015 Can't wait to get to this stage. Beautiful, as always Chuck. GLakie, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Sawdust Dave - Current build - USS Constitution 1:60th (scratch).... Visit my blog site - All previous builds.... http://davesmodelships.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustyj Posted September 28, 2015 Share #494 Posted September 28, 2015 I can't say enough about the planking. Simply beautiful! Chuck, GLakie, augie and 5 others 8 Quote Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtosail Posted September 29, 2015 Share #495 Posted September 29, 2015 Great looking deck planking, Chuck. You put mine to shame. In a previous post, you said: "I find that on most contemporary models there are only a few scarf joints.... as opposed to modern models where the builder uses way to many. I have always seen just two or three and on the rarest of occasions four hooked scarf joints against the waterway." It looks like you ended up with 5 scarf joints on each side, two in the bow and three in the stern. Did you mean two or three per each end? mtaylor and GLakie 2 Quote - Tom - Current Build: Vanguard Speedy Completed: Vanguard Duchess of Kingston, Stove Project, Ships Wheel Project, NRG Capstan Project, Billings Half Moon, Dumas Chris Craft 1938 27' Triple Cockpit Barrel Back, Panart Santa Lucia , Model Shipways Constitution , MS Bounty Launch , HMS Beagle Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share #496 Posted September 29, 2015 Yes indeed...on each end...I have seen some folks use 6 or seven and sometimes more at each end. It just wouldnt be the case. Its usually because they don't taper the planks to curve them. If you use straight planks then you may well be forced to use many more which is why they usually tapered them. I also find that they start the nibbing process too soon. It usually isnt needed till the margin plank turns down the sides of the bulwarks further aft then most start. GLakie, Jack12477, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtosail Posted September 29, 2015 Share #497 Posted September 29, 2015 Thanks for the clarification. This has been on my mind since I read this because I had to put a few into the sides of the Constitution deck planks but didn't want to put too many in. Chuck, mtaylor, WackoWolf and 4 others 7 Quote - Tom - Current Build: Vanguard Speedy Completed: Vanguard Duchess of Kingston, Stove Project, Ships Wheel Project, NRG Capstan Project, Billings Half Moon, Dumas Chris Craft 1938 27' Triple Cockpit Barrel Back, Panart Santa Lucia , Model Shipways Constitution , MS Bounty Launch , HMS Beagle Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iosto Posted September 29, 2015 Share #498 Posted September 29, 2015 Congratulations Chuck, a beautiful work.I follow you step by step in the construction of my cheerful.I'm proceeding with the riveting of the hull, very tedious job but effective.Do you have some photos spars?I'm also beginning to think the shop window on which store the model that I will definitely Plexiglas but are undecided on the base, if it on a stopover site, you have a few drawings to show me?Hello SawdustDave, mtaylor, GLakie and 1 other 4 Quote Current build Enterprize Schifetto Completed builds: LA BELLE La Jacinthe French Schooner Cherful Tartana Gemma Carmenia Salvatore Padre Tartana Gemma Bisquine La Granvillaise Fishing-boat English pinnace 18th Century Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share #499 Posted September 29, 2015 Thank You.....I am not sure I understand what photo spars is. Can you clarify? I will certainly help you any way I can. Chuck GLakie, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share #500 Posted September 29, 2015 I created the rudder port by flipping the hull upside down. I made a pilot hole and slowly opened it up and shaped it. I made the rudder first which is shown below. This was used to test the size and shape of teh port and when I was satisfied I touched up the red paint around it. Then it was time to add the small top section of the rudder post. I designed the model so it was simulated and put on in two pieces. The laser cut longer piece is shown in the same photo below. I left a longer tail so folks can sand it down to fit their models. The deck level will probably vary model to model and this takes care of the issue. Once filed down to fit, it was glued into position and painted. To pull off the illusion I used yellow glue which sets up slower. By having the rudder made I was able to tape it in position so I could get the correct angle for this tiny piece. This step was crucial. It was tweaked while the rudder was taped on temporarily. The yellow glue gave me a lot of time to move it around so it was positioned correctly and creates the illusion of a one piece stern post. A little sanding on the outboard edge and some filler and it looked really good after painting. I still havent decided if I will paint the inboard portion of the rudder head. I probably will as is stands out too much left bright. And finally....I made some time to paint the windlass. I havent glued it into position yet but here are some overall detailed photos. Ryland Craze, qwerty2008, rafine and 34 others 37 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussben Posted September 29, 2015 Share #501 Posted September 29, 2015 Very nice Chuck, the masters touch. Ben WackoWolf, Rustyj, GLakie and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iosto Posted September 29, 2015 Share #502 Posted September 29, 2015 Thank You.....I am not sure I understand what photo spars is. Can you clarify? I will certainly help you any way I can. Chuck Foto of mainmast and bowsprit. What kind of finish you used for the hull? only beeswax or shellac pad? sorry for my english but some terms are not easy to translate thank you Iosto mtaylor, Jack12477 and GLakie 3 Quote Current build Enterprize Schifetto Completed builds: LA BELLE La Jacinthe French Schooner Cherful Tartana Gemma Carmenia Salvatore Padre Tartana Gemma Bisquine La Granvillaise Fishing-boat English pinnace 18th Century Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share #503 Posted September 29, 2015 No not yet. That is months away I am afraid. I am using MinWax Wipe-On-Poly for the finish. Nothing else. Started on the timber heads today. There are only six. No shortcuts here. Just grab a sharp blade and start shaping. I know some folks use power tools for this but I prefer to go old-school. I just go very very slow. They are 3/32" thick. Chuck mtaylor, Bobstrake, Mike Y and 28 others 31 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik W Posted September 30, 2015 Share #504 Posted September 30, 2015 Chuck, Just to clarify, were the curved deck planks shaped from wider wood strips, or were they edge bent? Erik mtaylor and GLakie 2 Quote Current build: HM Cutter Cheerful - Scratch Build - 1:48Finished build: 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted September 30, 2015 Share #505 Posted September 30, 2015 fantastic looking hull Chuck, Nils mtaylor and GLakie 2 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share #506 Posted September 30, 2015 Most were just edge bent...the hooked scarfs were cut from wider stock than the 3/16" strips and then they were edge bent too!!! Chuck Jack12477, Erik W, KenW and 3 others 6 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipmodel Posted September 30, 2015 Share #507 Posted September 30, 2015 Chuck - Really nice deck and windlass. Right up there with your usual award-winning standards. Dan dvm27, Jack12477, GLakie and 3 others 6 Quote Current build -SS Mayaguez (c.1975) scale 1/16" = 1' (1:192) by Dan Pariser Prior scratch builds - Royal yacht Henrietta, USS Monitor, USS Maine, HMS Pelican, SS America, SS Rex, SS Uruguay, Viking knarr, Gokstad ship, Thames River Skiff , USS Oneida, Swan 42 racing yacht, Queen Anne's Revenge (1710), SS Andrea Doria (1952), SS Michelangelo (1962) , Queen Anne's Revenge (2nd model) USS/SS Leviathan (1914), James B Colgate (1892), POW bone model (circa 1800) restoration Prior kit builds - AL Dallas, Mamoli Bounty. Bluejacket America, North River Diligence, Airfix Sovereign of the Seas "Take big bites. Moderation is for monks." Robert A. Heinlein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share #508 Posted September 30, 2015 Thanks Dan....hope to see you soon...maybe in a few weeks at the conference?? GLakie, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share #509 Posted October 1, 2015 Timberheads are completed....now on to the boom crutches. Just a word about those boom crutches. These are probably some of the trickiest parts of the model to make. There are going to be some crazy angles to create and much trial and error. I expect to make quite a large pile of bad boom crutches. This is for the benefit of all those building the model as well. You will no doubt have a large pile of discarded crutches also. I will do my best to explain how I make them step by step. newbuilder101, archjofo, Jason and 32 others 35 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintrow Posted October 2, 2015 Share #510 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) OK Chuck solve the biggest mystery for me.....how in the heck do you keep your builds so clean looking??? I think mine is pretty clean when I go to take a photo, only to find the photo magnifies each minuscule dust particle by a factor of 10!! And that is after O blow it it and wipe it sown with a tack cloth. Come on ....share, please ;o) Tom Edited October 2, 2015 by twintrow GLakie, Canute, Jack12477 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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