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HMS Winchelsea - 1764 - Group Prototype by Chuck (1/4" scale)

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Chuck, 

 

I love the job you’ve done so far. This looks absolutely awesome. I’m curious, are you planning to make this like a admiralty model or fully rig? Looks like the original is admiralty style. 

 

I’ve been thinking of jumping into a scratch build, is this a good one to start with? I’ve learned a ton working on my Syren and this project looks awesome, but I’m not sure if it's too ambitious as a first time scratch.

 

-Joe

Just and Army dude that likes ships

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Just my 2 cents Joe, but if you've already done the Syren, this project would be a great next step.  Especially since it's going to be done in this forum format with so many builder logs, and the teacher always within hail. :)

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Plus there will always be some laser cut parts and other materials available should you need them.  If you are being cautious about it I would jump in and use the Yellow Cedar as your wood choice just so you can get those if you need to.  

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Chuck, I have joined the group an have access to the plans.

Can I down load the four pages on to a memory stick and take it 

to staples and get correct size plans? What do I tell them for a

correct ratio? 

Sorry, I feel really dumb about how to do this. Thank’s Tim

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Just had the guys over for a nice Saturday get-together at my shop.  Mike brought his Winnie.    Side by side siblings....Mike's is in the front and is Boxwood.  Mine is Yellow cedar and in the background.  I just took these with my cell phone but here you go.   Dropped my camera so its what I need to use until I get a new one.  

win1.jpg

And also...here is a look (I know you guys are getting bored of seeing the figurehead at this point) at the figurehead and our latest experiment.  This is another resin casting but I am experimenting with trying to cast them in a tan color that already looks like wood.  This is a very very hard thing to do with success.   But this figurehead has not been painted or touched up.  This is the color right out of the package.  I may go with it as its not perfect but very close.  You guys can just do a light brushing with some weathering powders if you want it more golden or less tan.  It depends on what wood you are building the model with.  I am so happy with the results.

 

win3.jpg

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Very nice Chuck and Mike.  You guys really know how to build an outstanding model.

 

Chuck, the figurehead looks great and the resin casting is a pretty darn good match.  One thing keeps bothering me however.  The head of the figure is turned fairly hard to starboard, as if it’s looking at something on that side.  Most figureheads Ive ever seen are looking forward.  As if they are clearing the way for the ship or looking at the horizon.  In one of your original contemporary pictures of the Winnie the head might have a slight angle but nothing as pronounced as this.  It just looks a bit weird with the figure looking to the side like that.  Just my .02 cents.  Still beautiful work but since you have been so meticulous with every other detail I just wanted to point it out.

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You mentioned that a few times before.  Unfortunately that cant be changed now, so it is what it is.   Mind you it really doesnt look to the side.  The camera does seems to accentuate it and in real life it isnt as noticeable.   Its actually less so than the contemporary model version below.  And yes many figureheads dont look straight ahead.....this is just one example, and it was done to capture the look somewhat of the contemporary version.  This model is a very important one and pains were taken to make it very accurate because it was presented to someone by the admiralty as a big deal at the time.  So I am careful to capture its essence as closely as possible.

 

I also think they do this on some contemporary models because they are most readily viewed from the side and by turning the head slightly, you can see the face detail better as models are usually displayed.  On one side anyway.  But the good news is that if it bothers anyone that much just decapitate the resin figure and turn slightly facing forward and glue it back on.   Just a little clean-up and nobody will notice.  LOL

 

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A quick decapitation on one of the other resin figurehead tests and you can see that you can easily have him look anyway you like.  No fuss.....I didnt even touch it up afterwards.   Took me five minutes.

win4.jpg

 

Chuck

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Dowmer: actually many contemporary models show the figure with head turned to starboard to a greater or lesser degree (lions excepted). It's later half-length ones that look straight ahead. So the casting resembles the original model quite closely, except that the head there is tilted as well as turned.

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26 minutes ago, Chuck said:

I also think they do this on some contemporary models because they are most readily viewed from the side and by turning the head slightly, you can see the face detail better as models are usually displayed.  On one side anyway.

 

 

Actually, someone else mentioned it before.  I only agreed.  However, that is water under the proverbial bridge.

I agree with your statement above and probably explains the head turn the best.  It is what it is.  Either way, it’s a beautiful model and I’m amazed at the quality which far exceeds anything else on the market.  So Kudos and keep up the quality and offerings for us meager followers. 😀

 

 

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There are quite a few examples of figureheads not looking straight forward. Usually animals do so. The huge Lion- figureheads for example. Here is the figurehead of danish Prinz Friderich (1761), looking almost  60 degree to the right side.20190817_214515.thumb.jpg.2027ca76bf564db5b2a7db7d51cf5b63.jpg

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2 hours ago, Chuck said:

 

Just had the guys over for a nice Saturday get-together at my shop.  Mike brought his Winnie.    Side by side siblings....Mike's is in the front and is Boxwood.  Mine is Yellow cedar and in the background.  I just took these with my cell phone but here you go.   Dropped my camera so its what I need to use until I get a new one.  

win1.jpg

And also...here is a look (I know you guys are getting bored of seeing the figurehead at this point) at the figurehead and our latest experiment.  This is another resin casting but I am experimenting with trying to cast them in a tan color that already looks like wood.  This is a very very hard thing to do with success.   But this figurehead has not been painted or touched up.  This is the color right out of the package.  I may go with it as its not perfect but very close.  You guys can just do a light brushing with some weathering powders if you want it more golden or less tan.  It depends on what wood you are building the model with.  I am so happy with the results.

 

win3.jpg

those models look ..... like the madona... i do wish i had the time to get started on this 😲 

but then i newer wil finish my other models ,ooooh i cant start a 3 model😇 or.. i think i forgot my number😂

 

svein erik

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I agree 100%.....But I am not joking about changing it if in fact someone prefers it looking more forward.  The resin is so forgiving to work with.  And now that the resin is cast through in a tan/wood color,   cleaning up the seam is a piece of cake.  Literally saw off his head and glue it back on facing any direction you prefer.  Ten minutes tops.

 

Here is a better view of the new colored resin figure.  I only spent 5 minutes turning his head.   Excuse the Iphone photo.   Just learning how to use it.  Playing with the camera settings.

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Thanks for being so open to other possibilities Chuck.  I guess it’s a preference thing.  I prefer the straight on look but it’s good to know it’s so easily remedied. 

 

BTW, I like the iPhone photos.  Pretty good color and saturation,  but then I’m not there to see the real colors.  Beautiful anyway. 👍

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I think that the first one which shows both ships is the best, but still not that accurate.

Edited by Stuntflyer

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Both both models look great.  Please bring them both to our next meeting.

BTW - There is an editing feature on an iPhone.  You can adjust the color if need be.

Cheers.

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Chuck when I downloaded the drawings I see that they are 1/4" scale but I don't see a scale on the drawing that can be used to verify printing accuracy and such. This is very helpful to those who are scratch building the Winnie. Could you put a scale on the drawing for us to use?

 

Will

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I thought the same thing, but that’s not the case.

Take a good metal ruler and place it on the group of 

small square blocks. You will notice that each block

is 1/4”. That’s your scale.

Tim Murphy

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Just a question: using the cedar laser cut kits and planking with boxwood strips is propably not a good idea? Or do the both match well together?  

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Definitely NOT a good idea.   Stick with one wood or it will be very noticeable.  That would look awful in my opinion.  Anyone opting to use the laser cut parts in Cedar or Cherry really should use the same woods for planking.  Otherwise I would recommend scratching the parts rather than using the laser cut pieces.  

 

Chuck

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