FrankWouts Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share #211 Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) I’ve been away for a while with work, family, holidays, but am still very much committed and finally have some spare time to pick up my Winchelsea project again. First learned to use my Byrnes thickness sander, switch sandpapers with different grid and how to sand sheets and strips to the correct thickness without shooting sheets and strips through the room….I learned this by experience ofcourse… Both starboard and portside whales finished and painted now. Only portside blackstrake still has to be and will be done this week. Frank. Edited October 3, 2022 by FrankWouts Stuntflyer, Vladimir_Wairoa, Zarkon and 15 others 16 2 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted October 3, 2022 Share #212 Posted October 3, 2022 Very nice. Good to see you back at it. FrankWouts 1 Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted October 3, 2022 Share #213 Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) Well done Frank. Edited October 5, 2022 by glbarlow FrankWouts 1 Regards, Glenn Current Build: HMS Winchelsea Completed Builds: HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardeeHarHar Posted October 3, 2022 Share #214 Posted October 3, 2022 Beautiful work! FrankWouts 1 Brian Current Builds: HMBV Granado 1/64 Caldercraft; HMS Sphinx 1775 by HardeeHarHar - Vanguard Models 1:64-V2 Completed Build: HMS Bounty's Jolly Boat 1/25 Artesania Latina; Master Korabel - 1:36 Yefin Nikonov's Secret Vessel On the Shelf: HMBV Granado 1/48 CAF Model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustyj Posted October 3, 2022 Share #215 Posted October 3, 2022 Great work Frank! FrankWouts 1 Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted October 3, 2022 Share #216 Posted October 3, 2022 Nice job Frank, She is looking good and look forward to seeing the whole hull planked. FrankWouts 1 HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westwood Posted October 3, 2022 Share #217 Posted October 3, 2022 Well done Frank 👍 I'm glad you're back. Enjoy the planking and I look forward to seeing more photos from the build. FrankWouts 1 Dusan Currently building: HMS Winchelsea 1764 by westwood - 1:48 Revenge 1577 - by westwood - 1:64 In preparation: Fourth-rate ship 1681 - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubbyj427 Posted October 3, 2022 Share #218 Posted October 3, 2022 Great to see you back Frank! Your Winnie looks right on! FrankWouts 1 Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 - 5th rate 32 gun frigate (on hold for now) HMS Portland 1770 Prototype 1:48 - 4th rate 50 gun ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share #219 Posted October 4, 2022 Thanks all for the compliments and likes, it makes me feel good and eager again to carry on! I've set myself a hopefully realistic goal to have it planked sometime around Christmas, New Year's Eve. scrubbyj427, westwood and Rustyj 3 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfhealey Posted October 4, 2022 Share #220 Posted October 4, 2022 This looks absolutely faultless Frank. Superb. Fred FrankWouts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share #221 Posted October 5, 2022 15 hours ago, jfhealey said: This looks absolutely faultless Frank. Superb. Fred Thanks Fred, I’m glad it looks that way to you, but I know it’s not ofcourse, every hair of an inch that’s not the same height, width or length portside compared to starboard I can point out… I’m my own worst critic too… Frank. Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted October 5, 2022 Share #222 Posted October 5, 2022 Lovely clean planking Frank, beautiful work all round. FrankWouts 1 Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted October 5, 2022 Share #223 Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, FrankWouts said: every hair of an inch that’s not the same height, width or length portside compared to starboard I can point out… I know that problem. Sometimes it’s best to stand back 3 feet and see if you can still see it. Not that it changes anything, we still all know where our flaws are 😄 Edited October 5, 2022 by glbarlow FrankWouts 1 Regards, Glenn Current Build: HMS Winchelsea Completed Builds: HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share #224 Posted October 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Edwardkenway said: Lovely clean planking Frank, beautiful work all round. Thanks Edward! Frank Edwardkenway 1 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfhealey Posted October 5, 2022 Share #225 Posted October 5, 2022 I wish I counted the difference between my port and starboard sides in hairs. Fingers is closer! Fred FrankWouts and scrubbyj427 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share #226 Posted November 7, 2022 Hi all, I’m almost at the point of planking the underside of my Winchelsea hull. But first I have a question about fairing the inside of the hull above deck level. It says the inside should be faired till 1/8”. I have made a wooden rudimentairy 1/8” measuring device as seen in the photograph. But is this from top to deck level the same? Shouldn’t it be a hair more than 1/8” on deck level? The bulkheads all seem to be cut that way as well and with POF models one also sees the thickness taper gradually. Thanks, Frank. glbarlow, mgatrost, Beckmann and 2 others 5 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted November 7, 2022 Share #227 Posted November 7, 2022 Frank...you can gradually reduce the thickness to 1/8" thick. Not the full length down to the deck. I would say anything around 5/32" thick at deck level and even slightly more is fine. But not much more. Its along the sheer that is most important. A wide caprail is so clunky and out of scale and is typically what you see on most kit models and scratch alike. Its a huge common rookie mistake. Chuck FrankWouts 1 Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share #228 Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chuck said: Frank...you can gradually reduce the thickness to 1/8" thick. Not the full length down to the deck. I would say anything around 5/32" thick at deck level and even slightly more is fine. But not much more. Its along the sheer that is most important. A wide caprail is so clunky and out of scale and is typically what you see on most kit models and scratch alike. Its a huge common rookie mistake. Chuck Again a very clear explanation Chuck. I don’t want to seem a rookie ofcourse 😉, despite the fact that I actually am on wooden ship models… Thanks! Frank. Edited November 7, 2022 by FrankWouts westwood 1 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted November 7, 2022 Share #229 Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) Frank, the 1/8 balsa I glued between the bulkheads from top to deck were useful guides in keeping me on track with the internal fairing. The little time it took to install it was worth it for me. Edited November 7, 2022 by glbarlow Beckmann, FrankWouts, JpR62 and 3 others 6 Regards, Glenn Current Build: HMS Winchelsea Completed Builds: HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share #230 Posted November 7, 2022 Thanks Glenn! glbarlow 1 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntflyer Posted November 7, 2022 Share #231 Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, glbarlow said: Frank, the 1/8 balsa I glued between the bulkheads from top to deck were useful guides in keeping me on track with the internal fairing. Glenn, As Chuck just pointed out, do not fair to 1/8" all the way down to the deck level. If you do that, there will be a few issues to deal with later on in the build. Trust me, I've been there! Mike Edited November 7, 2022 by Stuntflyer FrankWouts 1 Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted November 8, 2022 Share #232 Posted November 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Stuntflyer said: do not fair to 1/8" all the way down to the deck level. If you do that, there will be a few issues to deal with later on in the build. Trust me, I've been there! Thanks for the comment Mike. Unfortunately I must have misunderstood pages 8-9 of Chapter 2. I faired them to 3/16 a long time ago following those pages. So, what issues will I have to sort out now that I’m at 3/16th😳 and about to start Chapter 4? FrankWouts 1 Regards, Glenn Current Build: HMS Winchelsea Completed Builds: HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntflyer Posted November 8, 2022 Share #233 Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) Most likely no issues at all since you went to 3/16” at the deck level. However, as Chuck suggested, 5/32” or so at the deck level and taper to 1/8” at the sheer. If it is not too late then that is something you could do now. keep in mind that 3/16" at the sheer will most likely produce a cap rail that is too wide. Going wide at the gun dock could mean that certain laser cut parts might not fit properly. The checkerboard floor is one thing that comes to mind. Also, the bulkheads for the great cabin area might be too narrow to span the deck. Planking widths on the deck will most likely have to be modified. These are just a few examples of what could happen by simply reducing the width of the bulwarks to 1/8” or less at the deck. Mike Edited November 8, 2022 by Stuntflyer FrankWouts, Rustyj and glbarlow 2 1 Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir_Wairoa Posted November 11, 2022 Share #234 Posted November 11, 2022 Really Nice work Frank. FrankWouts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted December 24, 2022 Author Share #235 Posted December 24, 2022 (edited) I finally finished chiseling and sanding the inner gunport framing…man, what a lot of chiseling and sanding that was…it took me weeks…I’ll check the thickness at every frame again though before planking it later on. I’m now trying to line off the lower hull… I hope I’m doing allright like this using Chuck’s tick strips. Frank. Edited December 24, 2022 by FrankWouts Nunnehi (Don), JpR62, WalrusGuy and 4 others 6 1 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntflyer Posted December 24, 2022 Share #236 Posted December 24, 2022 Check the run of the strips with the ship upright. You don't want it to look like the strips are sloping downwards. A gentle slope upwards as they run into the stem is preferred. Mike FrankWouts, Ryland Craze and CiscoH 3 Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westwood Posted December 24, 2022 Share #237 Posted December 24, 2022 Well done Frank, fingers crossed for planking, another fun weeks ahead of you. And I wish you and all builders a Blessed and peaceful Christmas. FrankWouts and Ryland Craze 2 Dusan Currently building: HMS Winchelsea 1764 by westwood - 1:48 Revenge 1577 - by westwood - 1:64 In preparation: Fourth-rate ship 1681 - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted December 24, 2022 Share #238 Posted December 24, 2022 Well done Frank. The long road of planking lies before you. The good news is it feels great when you finally get to that last plank. FrankWouts 1 Regards, Glenn Current Build: HMS Winchelsea Completed Builds: HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted December 24, 2022 Author Share #239 Posted December 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, Stuntflyer said: Check the run of the strips with the ship upright. You don't want it to look like the strips are sloping downwards. A gentle slope upwards as they run into the stem is preferred. Mike Good tip Mike, I’ll check that, thanks, Frank. Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted December 24, 2022 Author Share #240 Posted December 24, 2022 Thanks all! Merry Christmas to you all! Hopefully our friends in the US are all allright with the current snow storm and temperatures below -40 celsius! Frank. Ryland Craze and CaptMorgan 2 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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