GrandpaPhil Posted September 21, 2022 Share #61 Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) On 9/18/2022 at 5:31 AM, Edwardkenway said: I don't think I'm quite ready to tackle a ship of the line type kit though. I'm still just dipping my toes in😏 Your Sopwith Pup is looking fantastic! I think you’d do just fine! You should check out the Shipyard kits. They are around $30-$40 USD each if you get the 1/96 ones. They also have a few real nice 30th anniversary combos for around $60-$70 USD that come with between 2-3 kits of varying skill levels. I bought the Northern European Sail Part 2 set and am seriously thinking about buying the one with the two Dutch Vessels. Ab Hoving’s scratch building in card tutorial is great too! There is surprisingly little difference between building a kit and just working from scratch (also surprisingly little difference between building a POB ship in card and building in wood). Edited September 21, 2022 by GrandpaPhil Jack12477, thibaultron, mtaylor and 5 others 7 1 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted September 24, 2022 Author Share #62 Posted September 24, 2022 Good evening, not a lot has changed, but I have got all the wings skinned. I think I've got all the edges coloured The wings are not glued yet I just wanted to see what it looked like and make the obligatory engine noises as it is flown round my head😊😁 Thanks for any input, likes, etc... Cheers BTW, whilst browsing the Internet, especially Wak models, I couldn't help but notice and subsequently download the free WW1 monoplane modelWAK-E-001-MoraneG.pdf Canute, CDW, thibaultron and 12 others 14 1 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted September 24, 2022 Share #63 Posted September 24, 2022 That is looking so sweet. OC. Edwardkenway, AJohnson, Canute and 4 others 6 1 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard44 Posted September 25, 2022 Share #64 Posted September 25, 2022 11 hours ago, Edwardkenway said: BTW, whilst browsing the Internet, especially Wak models, I couldn't help but notice and subsequently download the free WW1 monoplane model Hi Edward, You've convinced me to actually do a build log of the WAK Morane-Saulnier G, a model I completed some weeks ago. The log is here. You're doing really well with your Sopwith. Cheers king derelict, AJohnson, Canute and 8 others 9 2 Quote Richard Next build: Completed builds: AL's Endeavour, Corel's Bellona, Amati's Xebec, Billing's Roar Ege, Panart's Armed Launch Ships' Boats - Vanguard 1:64 and Master Korabel 1:72 Alexander Arbuthnot, Christiaan Brunings, Pevensey all by World of Paperships, card HMS Pegasus by Victory Captain John Smith's Shallop by Pavel Nitikin Rumpler "Taube" 1911 by HMV, card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted September 25, 2022 Share #65 Posted September 25, 2022 The wings look very good. Lovely neat model coming together. Great work Alan Canute, thibaultron, Old Collingwood and 4 others 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share #66 Posted September 28, 2022 I've struggled to find time for the pup this week, but managed 90 minutes or so tonight. The lower wings and horizontal stabilizer have been fixed. Also the tail fin, rudder and rear flaps. Finally for tonight the lower wing flaps. Thanks for all your encouraging comments, the likes and popping by. Cheers Egilman, hof00, Jack12477 and 11 others 14 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted September 28, 2022 Share #67 Posted September 28, 2022 Looking really nice mate. OC. thibaultron, Jack12477, Egilman and 5 others 7 1 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted September 28, 2022 Share #68 Posted September 28, 2022 Very nice, Edward. Edwardkenway, thibaultron, Old Collingwood and 4 others 6 1 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted September 29, 2022 Share #69 Posted September 29, 2022 Well done on your construction. Very nicely done. king derelict, Old Collingwood, mtaylor and 4 others 6 1 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted October 1, 2022 Author Share #70 Posted October 1, 2022 Hello again, another hour on the pup, and the top wings are attached. The struts were a little bit fiddly then trying to line the struts up with the tiny pinholes in the top wing was even worse. Next time I'm going to attempt do all the rigging on it. The diagram to do this is slightly vague, as there are no steps to follow, just lots dashed lines showing the runoff the rigging. Thank you to those who've commented, hit the thumbs up and just visited. Cheers Canute, Landlubber Mike, Richard44 and 13 others 16 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted October 1, 2022 Share #71 Posted October 1, 2022 Stunning work there Edward - so hard to get my head round the medium you are working with. OC. Canute, CDW, thibaultron and 5 others 7 1 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted October 1, 2022 Share #72 Posted October 1, 2022 Very nicely done. 👌 thibaultron, Edwardkenway, Old Collingwood and 5 others 7 1 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted October 1, 2022 Share #73 Posted October 1, 2022 Excellent work. I can't even line up biplane wings on plastic models Great stuff Alan Egilman, thibaultron, Canute and 5 others 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJohnson Posted October 2, 2022 Share #74 Posted October 2, 2022 Very good Edward, are you doing the rigging? CDW, thibaultron, Canute and 4 others 6 1 Quote Andrew Current builds:- HM Gun-brig Sparkler - Vanguard (1/64) , HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64) Completed (Kits):- Vanguard Models (1/64) :- HM Cutter Trial , Nisha - Brixham trawler Caldercraft (1/64) :- HMS Orestes(Mars), HM Cutter Sherbourne Paper Shipwright (1/250) :- TSS Earnslaw, Puffer Starlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted October 2, 2022 Share #75 Posted October 2, 2022 Double wings on biplanes are a bear to do and you've mastered it. I'm not sure if there is a page on rigging the Pup though I have seen it for other birds in the past. Usually it's just photos that someone has annotated. Canute, Old Collingwood, thibaultron and 4 others 6 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted October 2, 2022 Share #76 Posted October 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Edwardkenway said: Next time I'm going to attempt do all the rigging on it. The diagram to do this is slightly vague, as there are no steps to follow, just lots dashed lines showing the runoff the rigging. Getting the rigging done on these is a combination of getting a general idea of how biplanes are rigged (comes through practice), learning to read and interpret rigging diagrams (also comes with practice), and scouting images on the internet (yep -- practice . . . nah, just kidding on that one). thibaultron, Old Collingwood, Richard44 and 7 others 9 1 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share #77 Posted October 2, 2022 Thankyou gentlemen, I think I've worked out the run of all the lines, after a long perusal of the diagram and lots of looking at various pictures of other models and full size Pups. so I've started with the rigging at the back. This may take a while😊 I'm using fine black EZline. This is the first rigging I've done since Sherbourne and I'm a bit rusty. Thanks for all the comments, likes and having a peep. Cheers Old Collingwood, AJohnson, king derelict and 14 others 17 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted October 4, 2022 Share #78 Posted October 4, 2022 Looks really nice - great job on the rigging so far! Edwardkenway, Egilman, Old Collingwood and 2 others 4 1 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share #79 Posted October 4, 2022 Bit more done with the tailplane rigging another long look at the rigging diagram and I think that's it for the rear of the plane. So before I move onto the wings I've got a couple more bits to do, starting with the weapon. the version I've done has the Lewis gun. To be honest I have toyed with the idea of buying the aftermarket weapons, but that would feel too much like cheating😇🤭 As always thanks for visiting, commenting and all the likes. Cheers ccoyle, Old Collingwood, Jack12477 and 10 others 13 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share #80 Posted October 5, 2022 Rain has stopped play, early day from work, so I used some unexpected free time to put together the Lewis MG The tweezer ping happened as I was trying to attach the handle, so improvising and overcoming, a small piece of brass wire became the handle. It goes without saying, the barrel is brass too, I've still not managed to roll the small tubes satisfactorily 😬. I'll keep practicing though 😉. Just have darken the edges. Thanks for looking in and the likes. Cheers Ian_Grant, Jack12477, Old Collingwood and 9 others 12 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted October 5, 2022 Share #81 Posted October 5, 2022 Lovely Lewis gun Alan Canute, Edwardkenway, Old Collingwood and 5 others 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted October 5, 2022 Share #82 Posted October 5, 2022 A little dull gray-black on the grip and no one's the wiser. 😀 Edwardkenway, Egilman, thibaultron and 3 others 5 1 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardkenway Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share #83 Posted October 8, 2022 So, I managed to complete the rigging, fit the gun and then realised that the windshield needed fitting 🙄. So very carefully in order not to snap any cables or knock the gun off, glued the very last piece on. That's it, my first serious card model finished 😊 There are plenty of lessons learned, mainly to take a bit more care with glue, especially the CA used to attach the rigging. Taking more time to match the colours for the edges, is also something I'll need to do next time. All in all, it's been a fun little build, I've enjoyed building this plane. It was fairly straightforward, and would be a very suitable subject for novice card modellers. Now for some more photos. Thanks to everyone who has followed along and for the likes, your input is greatly appreciated. @ccoylegets a special mention because, it's all his fault😁 Till next time Cheers Jack12477, AJohnson, hof00 and 16 others 14 5 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 Providence whaleboat- 1:25 HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64- finished Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - finished Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJohnson Posted October 8, 2022 Share #84 Posted October 8, 2022 Well done Edward, a very nice first card model! 👏👏👏 Edwardkenway, Old Collingwood, Jack12477 and 6 others 8 1 Quote Andrew Current builds:- HM Gun-brig Sparkler - Vanguard (1/64) , HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64) Completed (Kits):- Vanguard Models (1/64) :- HM Cutter Trial , Nisha - Brixham trawler Caldercraft (1/64) :- HMS Orestes(Mars), HM Cutter Sherbourne Paper Shipwright (1/250) :- TSS Earnslaw, Puffer Starlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkay11 Posted October 8, 2022 Share #85 Posted October 8, 2022 Much enjoyed the build. A lovely model. Thanks! Tony thibaultron, Old Collingwood, Edwardkenway and 6 others 8 1 Quote === First build: Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne 1763 FINISHED 2nd build: Triton cross-section COMPLETED 3rd build: La Chaloupe Armée / 42ft Armed Longboat of 1834 by tkay11 – scale 1:36, plans by M. Delacroix COMPLETED 4th build: Allège d’Arles 1833 (Ancre) POB by tkay11 – scale 1:100, plans by F. Fissore COMPLETED Working on La Jacinthe 1:96 POB (ANCRE publications) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDW Posted October 8, 2022 Share #86 Posted October 8, 2022 Excellent. Congratulations on a great model. mtaylor, Knocklouder, Canute and 6 others 8 1 Quote Completed Projects: USS Fletcher 1:144 Scharnhorst 1:350 USS Independence LCS-2 1:350 1:32 J7W1 Shinden Interceptor/Fighter Fairey Swordfish Mk. II 1:48 Harbor Tug Box Scale Albatros D.V 1:32 Ala-Kart 1:25 Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder 1:24 S-100 Schnellboot 1:72 Mercury Capsule and Atlas Booster BR-52 Steam Locomotive 1:35 Triumph 3 HW Motorcycle 1:9 Scale F-16XL-2 Experimental Fighter Bomber 1:48 Rafale 1:48 F-15E Strike Eagle 1:48 Petlyakov PE-2 Soviet Dive Bomber 1:48 TBM3 Avenger 1:32 1931 Cadillac 1:25 Scammell Pioneer SV2S Heavy Breakdown Tractor 1:35 M-50 Israeli Sherman 1:35 Military Wrecker 1:32 Delahaye 135 1:24 Toyota Sard Supra GT 1:24 Enzo Ferrari 1:24 1970 Baldwin Motion Camaro 1:25 1966 Ford Galaxie 500 Stock Car 1:25 American LaFrance Eagle Fire Pumper 1:25 1940 Ford Standard Coupe 1:25 VolksWagen Dragster/Dune Buggy/Street Rod 1:25 Kawasaki Ninja H2 Carbon 1:12 Porsche GT-1 Evo 1:24 Scharnhorst 1940 1:700 IJN Akitsushima Seaplane Tender 1:700 HMS Hood 1941 1:700 Prinz Eugen 1942 1:700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted October 8, 2022 Share #87 Posted October 8, 2022 Excellent! Well done! Nice looking model! Old Collingwood, Canute, thibaultron and 5 others 7 1 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted October 8, 2022 Share #88 Posted October 8, 2022 Congratulations, Edward -- well done! Knocklouder, thibaultron, Old Collingwood and 6 others 8 1 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted October 8, 2022 Share #89 Posted October 8, 2022 Well done Edward, she has come out looking so nice - hats off to you. OC. Edwardkenway, Canute, Jack12477 and 4 others 6 1 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king derelict Posted October 8, 2022 Share #90 Posted October 8, 2022 A beautiful model. It looks really good. Well done. Alan Canute, Old Collingwood, thibaultron and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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