Old Collingwood Posted June 22, 2023 #31 Posted June 22, 2023 That is looking so sharp - the decs sure bring it together. OC. AJohnson, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
shipman Posted June 22, 2023 #32 Posted June 22, 2023 On 6/21/2023 at 9:42 PM, realworkingsailor said: Everyone who I’ve seen building a model with invasion stripes (myself included) works diligently to make the stripes to exact width and straightness, with perfect colour separation etc. When the fact of the matter is, when the ground crews actually applied the stripes, there was no such attention to detail. I’ve read reports of the stripes being applied to aircraft on the day before D-Day with a mop! (Some weren’t even fully dry the day of). Your striping looks pretty great to me! Andy You are correct, invasion recognition stripes would have been last minute additions in the field, applied with a broad brush. If the Germans had known, they'd have applied them too, just to add confusion. There are plenty of period photo's illustrating how crude they could be. I wouldn't be surprised if some were painted in the dark! Preserved Warbird's have all their graphics stencilled or use vinyl applied these days. I know the US stencilled a lot of their markings, but the majority of British ones were hand drawn/painted. Perhaps a subtle difference to some, but today's practice isn't exactly authentic. Egilman, popeye the sailor, realworkingsailor and 4 others 7 Quote
Egilman Posted June 22, 2023 #33 Posted June 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, shipman said: Perhaps a subtle difference to some, but today's practice isn't exactly authentic. It's even more pronounced with British aircraft... British aircraft carried id stripes on their wings long before D-Day, (from late '42 I believe) especially the low flying types... There are numerous examples in the photo archives as well... In fact the whole invasion stripes idea was an RAF one.... (with thousands of aircraft in the skies and an expected massive response from the Luftwaffe planned for, they ordered the stripes installed on every aircraft that contributed to the invasion) Original British ID stripes were not even in width nor in length... the Air ministry ordered the RAF aircraft repainted with the same pattern used on US aircraft so there would be NO mistakes in the air... And one must admit, with the stripes in place, one glance told you which side the aircraft was on... They were very effective... shipman, Javlin, Canute and 5 others 8 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow"
Javlin Posted June 23, 2023 Author #34 Posted June 23, 2023 I see and know there is truth in what is being mentioned but knowing the Brits with their precision about their camo in A/B scheme somewhere along the line those stripes would of gotten better by both the Army Air Corps and the British,willy nelly probably went out the window.The stencils are complete,glass dipped and prop built/painted.The actual L/G placement seems to be an area of concern for a few who ditched the kit that will not happen here! mtaylor, Jack12477, realworkingsailor and 5 others 8 Quote
Egilman Posted June 23, 2023 #35 Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) April 1943.... Typhoon Mk I with ID stripes... The pattern is different, D-Day invasion stripes were 18" wide on single engine aircraft and 24" wide on twin engine aircraft and were composed of alternating white and black stripes three white stripes and two black stripes... From the pic above you can clearly see that the standard RAF pattern was four 12" black stripes and three 24" white stripes... The orders were issued in late may to change over and some aircraft didn't start until June 3rd so yea, there was some sloppy striping done as no masking was used... A simple chalk line and 4" brushes handled most of it.... But trying to spot the sloppiness on an aircraft say 15 yrds away was next to impossible... They weren't mopped like with a floor mop they did take a modicum of care in doing it... I've yet in all my years looking to see a pic of invasion stripes that were anything but straight and basically even in width... They weren't that bad.... Edited June 23, 2023 by Egilman Canute, Old Collingwood, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow"
shipman Posted June 23, 2023 #36 Posted June 23, 2023 https://theaviationist.com/2019/06/06/75-years-ago-today-invasion-stripes-became-the-markings-that-saved-allied-lives/ BLACK VIKING, popeye the sailor, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote
Egilman Posted June 23, 2023 #37 Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, shipman said: https://theaviationist.com/2019/06/06/75-years-ago-today-invasion-stripes-became-the-markings-that-saved-allied-lives/ Thank you for that, I've still not seen an image of any allied aircraft with "Mop" painted invasion stripes... Two pics and a journalist's opinion showing the unfinished application of stripes to aircraft means it was sloppy work does not make proof ... Just my opinion which is probably not worth much either.... Sorry, not trying to argue here.... the order to remove them also was not completely carried out on many aircraft as well, I touched on this in my P-51 B build log where many of the fighter units only removed them from the upper surfaces of the aircraft leaving them on the undersides making for some very unique applications of said stripes... There is also the scale effect to consider as well, A slightly irregular line in real life will appear as arrow straight at a distance... (or in scale which translates visually as distance) No they weren't perfect that is true... But they were not only very effective, in most cases, they were attractive as well.... Edited June 23, 2023 by Egilman shipman, Canute, Javlin and 5 others 8 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow"
Javlin Posted June 23, 2023 Author #38 Posted June 23, 2023 I think I got lucky on the camo all by accident notice the two tone upstairs a slightly soft edge now look at the bottom tape off never recognized that before that's how I did it. Egilman, mtaylor, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote
popeye the sailor Posted June 23, 2023 #39 Posted June 23, 2023 mop stripes.........now we know why the pictures were only in black n white they look great.........scares the hell out of me just look'in at 'em! super job thus far mtaylor, Canute, Old Collingwood and 1 other 4 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
shipman Posted June 23, 2023 #40 Posted June 23, 2023 Here's a diligent US chappy wielding his 6'' brush. Better rations = steady hand LOL Egilman, Jack12477, Javlin and 4 others 3 4 Quote
Javlin Posted June 23, 2023 Author #41 Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, shipman said: Here's a diligent US chappy wielding his 6'' brush. Better rations = steady hand LOL you know those American boys eat well. AJohnson, Jack12477, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote
Canute Posted June 24, 2023 #42 Posted June 24, 2023 (edited) Folks back home were doing their bit living with rationing. My Mom and aunts told their tales to us Baby Boom kids. Edited June 24, 2023 by Canute Egilman, mtaylor and Old Collingwood 3 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild
Jack12477 Posted June 24, 2023 #43 Posted June 24, 2023 My Mom kept some of the ration coupon books left over when war ended. Old Collingwood, mtaylor, Egilman and 1 other 4 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour
Javlin Posted June 25, 2023 Author #44 Posted June 25, 2023 This is going slower than expected but I bit the bullet and did a weathering just sloshed the Tamy Brown and let it sit overnight.I think it will pass some areas on the side of the fuse R/side the future was thin and ate through in the sense the more I wiped the stickier it got and went "gotta fix that".I used a sponge and tweezers litely dipped in the respective color and all worked out just did not want brush marks.I usually go semi-gloss but seeing she's been a workhorse since D-day went dead flat.I am about to gloss black the LG and do the silver.I still at best guess another week of work on this one little stuff bombs and canopy and weathering the WW always more.She's not the best as far as weathering but I seldom attempt this part out of fear I dove. Canute, Old Collingwood, AJohnson and 8 others 11 Quote
CDW Posted June 25, 2023 #45 Posted June 25, 2023 Looks excellent with that wash. Jack12477, Canute, AJohnson and 3 others 6 Quote Completed Projects: USS Fletcher 1:144 Scharnhorst 1:350 USS Independence LCS-2 1:350 1:32 J7W1 Shinden Interceptor/Fighter Fairey Swordfish Mk. II 1:48 Harbor Tug Box Scale Albatros D.V 1:32 Ala-Kart 1:25 Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder 1:24 S-100 Schnellboot 1:72 Mercury Capsule and Atlas Booster BR-52 Steam Locomotive 1:35 Triumph 3 HW Motorcycle 1:9 Scale F-16XL-2 Experimental Fighter Bomber 1:48 Rafale 1:48 F-15E Strike Eagle 1:48 Petlyakov PE-2 Soviet Dive Bomber 1:48 TBM3 Avenger 1:32 1931 Cadillac 1:25 Scammell Pioneer SV2S Heavy Breakdown Tractor 1:35 M-50 Israeli Sherman 1:35 Military Wrecker 1:32 Delahaye 135 1:24 Toyota Sard Supra GT 1:24 Enzo Ferrari 1:24 1970 Baldwin Motion Camaro 1:25 1966 Ford Galaxie 500 Stock Car 1:25 American LaFrance Eagle Fire Pumper 1:25 1940 Ford Standard Coupe 1:25 VolksWagen Dragster/Dune Buggy/Street Rod 1:25 Kawasaki Ninja H2 Carbon 1:12 Porsche GT-1 Evo 1:24 Scharnhorst 1940 1:700 IJN Akitsushima Seaplane Tender 1:700 HMS Hood 1941 1:700 Prinz Eugen 1942 1:700
Javlin Posted June 25, 2023 Author #46 Posted June 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, CDW said: Looks excellent with that wash. Thanks Craig I could of left her as is I went to go look at pics of the exhaust flow/pipes color and these crates were pretty well maintained not that I did not see some with flight hours.Live and Learn got some practice though AJohnson, mtaylor, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote
mtaylor Posted June 25, 2023 #47 Posted June 25, 2023 13 minutes ago, Javlin said: Thanks Craig I could of left her as is I went to go look at pics of the exhaust flow/pipes color and these crates were pretty well maintained not that I did not see some with flight hours.Live and Learn got some practice though In 'Nam, our choppers weren't washed except by the rain and wipe downs by the crew chief and 1st mech. Exhaust was rusty. and paint had a lot of worn spots where the maintenance guys walked and worked. There were oil and soot streaks but sometimes didn't get cleaned up due to time. Most CC's would try to touch up the paint from the worn spots but it was rather iffy as to finding time to do that. No rust on anything not steel such as skin, blades. Javlin, Old Collingwood, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Javlin Posted July 2, 2023 Author #48 Posted July 2, 2023 Alright time to move on fellas to the next project.The inner door actuators kept braking off so made them out of .015" guitar string with a brass head then drilled the body of the actuator and just glued to the door only(bad pic).I used Alcad smoke first time ever using it easy just went a little heavy on the R/side of the plane.The bombs got a wash of Tamiya brown right on MrColor and then Tamiya grey wash both done with a q-tip did not touch the paint.Thanks for looking and the likes. Jack12477, CDW, king derelict and 11 others 11 3 Quote
GrandpaPhil Posted July 3, 2023 #49 Posted July 3, 2023 Nicely done! mtaylor, Javlin, Canute and 3 others 5 1 Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
Canute Posted July 3, 2023 #50 Posted July 3, 2023 Well done, Javlin. mtaylor, AJohnson, Egilman and 2 others 4 1 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild
Javlin Posted July 3, 2023 Author #51 Posted July 3, 2023 29 minutes ago, GrandpaPhil said: Nicely done! Thanks Phil I enjoyed this build it was a challenge I have seen others on other forums drop the build and one on YT as much that Special Hobby replied to the builder.The kit is definitely a builder making a Nice representation of the the A/C if I say so myself.I am thinking of ordering the SP WhirlWind in 1/32 another kit were people do not like their instructions once you to the WW/LG area?This is my 2nd SP Kit and yes both required attention in that part of the A/C but a challenge is fun sometimes over the shake-n-bake kits.I think the next build will be Eduard's Mk XVI Spitfire started some time ago I may actually clear out a few ole builds.I need to start on another floor cabinet like the other one things are getting full!! Egilman, GrandpaPhil, AJohnson and 3 others 6 Quote
Javlin Posted July 3, 2023 Author #52 Posted July 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, Canute said: Well done, Javlin. Thank You Sir she was fun and a challenge.I shy away from washes and such afraid to ruin a pretty plane but a Tempest like a Jug cry out for those results! AJohnson, Old Collingwood, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote
CDW Posted July 3, 2023 #53 Posted July 3, 2023 Very very nice model, she looks all business. She would have been a ground targets worst nightmare. Old Collingwood, mtaylor, Jack12477 and 4 others 6 1 Quote Completed Projects: USS Fletcher 1:144 Scharnhorst 1:350 USS Independence LCS-2 1:350 1:32 J7W1 Shinden Interceptor/Fighter Fairey Swordfish Mk. II 1:48 Harbor Tug Box Scale Albatros D.V 1:32 Ala-Kart 1:25 Ferrari 250 GT California Spyder 1:24 S-100 Schnellboot 1:72 Mercury Capsule and Atlas Booster BR-52 Steam Locomotive 1:35 Triumph 3 HW Motorcycle 1:9 Scale F-16XL-2 Experimental Fighter Bomber 1:48 Rafale 1:48 F-15E Strike Eagle 1:48 Petlyakov PE-2 Soviet Dive Bomber 1:48 TBM3 Avenger 1:32 1931 Cadillac 1:25 Scammell Pioneer SV2S Heavy Breakdown Tractor 1:35 M-50 Israeli Sherman 1:35 Military Wrecker 1:32 Delahaye 135 1:24 Toyota Sard Supra GT 1:24 Enzo Ferrari 1:24 1970 Baldwin Motion Camaro 1:25 1966 Ford Galaxie 500 Stock Car 1:25 American LaFrance Eagle Fire Pumper 1:25 1940 Ford Standard Coupe 1:25 VolksWagen Dragster/Dune Buggy/Street Rod 1:25 Kawasaki Ninja H2 Carbon 1:12 Porsche GT-1 Evo 1:24 Scharnhorst 1940 1:700 IJN Akitsushima Seaplane Tender 1:700 HMS Hood 1941 1:700 Prinz Eugen 1942 1:700
Javlin Posted July 3, 2023 Author #54 Posted July 3, 2023 15 minutes ago, CDW said: Very very nice model, she looks all business. She would have been a ground targets worst nightmare. She was the Brits answer to the Jug Craig and so much HP in the end. Egilman, Jack12477, AJohnson and 3 others 6 Quote
AJohnson Posted July 3, 2023 #55 Posted July 3, 2023 That is a very nice looking model, well done! Old Collingwood, Javlin, Canute and 3 others 5 1 Quote Andrew Current builds:- HM Gun-brig Sparkler - Vanguard (1/64) , HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64) Completed (Kits):- Vanguard Models (1/64) :- HM Cutter Trial , Nisha - Brixham trawler Caldercraft (1/64) :- HMS Orestes(Mars), HM Cutter Sherbourne Paper Shipwright (1/250) :- TSS Earnslaw, Puffer Starlight
Old Collingwood Posted July 3, 2023 #56 Posted July 3, 2023 That looks Excellent. OC. Canute, AJohnson, Egilman and 3 others 5 1 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
mtaylor Posted July 3, 2023 #57 Posted July 3, 2023 Beautiful work, Javlin. You've overcome the "bad" instructions very well. Javlin, Egilman, Old Collingwood and 2 others 4 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Egilman Posted July 3, 2023 #58 Posted July 3, 2023 A British airborne dust broom... Nothing below 10,000ft could escape being swept away.... One of the very few planes that terrified Luftwaffe pilots.... Very nicely done..... AJohnson, mtaylor, Old Collingwood and 2 others 4 1 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow"
Landlubber Mike Posted July 4, 2023 #59 Posted July 4, 2023 Wow Kevin!! Another beauty, great job! Javlin, mtaylor, Jack12477 and 4 others 6 1 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
king derelict Posted July 10, 2023 #60 Posted July 10, 2023 Really nice job Jav. The weathering really makes it stand out. Great representation of an iconic aircraft Alan Javlin, Jack12477, Old Collingwood and 3 others 5 1 Quote
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