torpedochief Posted July 21, 2014 #181 Posted July 21, 2014 Nicely done! Your build really shows how powerful a ship like this had to be built. Chief Quote Author of the Submarine Thrillers OF ICE AND STEEL and EPITAPH
Trussben Posted July 21, 2014 Author #182 Posted July 21, 2014 Thanks for the support Druxey, yeh if I can get to the square frames I should be good! Strike the if I can and replace with When I. Ben Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
tlevine Posted July 21, 2014 #183 Posted July 21, 2014 They look great. It took me a few tries as well before I was happy with the results. Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: Utrecht-1742 Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section NRG Rigging Project Utrecht-1742 Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale.
Trussben Posted July 22, 2014 Author #184 Posted July 22, 2014 Thanks Toni, it helps to know that others have been through the trial and succeeded! Ben Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
dvm27 Posted July 23, 2014 #185 Posted July 23, 2014 Well done, Ben. I see you decided to ignore Druxey's advice and execute the hawse holes afterwards (as I have). Please mark them out carefully and triple. check their positions. There's a bit of an optical illusion from the side but the outer one is slightly lower from the bow view. Start with a very small hole and gradually expand them with Swiss files. I purchased one that was the exact diameter of the hawse holes to avoid ellipsing them. billocrates 1 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752
Trussben Posted July 25, 2014 Author #186 Posted July 25, 2014 Hey Greg, The fate of Version 2 was decided by trying to do the hawse holes before hand, it didnt go to well so I decided to do them afterwards, start with small drill and gradually increase size with file/reamer. I really hope to get to that point over this weekend. ben mtaylor 1 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
Trussben Posted August 3, 2014 Author #187 Posted August 3, 2014 Well not much work has been done in the last few weeks, I decided I needed a break as I was getting frustrated with the hawse timbers, while working on the portside and taking them in and out, the temporary glue holding them in place, well I guess I didn't let the ISO soak in long enough, and when I pulled them back out it damaged the first cant frame, see picture. After having this breather I have removed the cant and have made another. Then I will complete the hawse timbers and move on again. Ben mtaylor, billocrates, Elmer Cornish and 7 others 10 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
gjdale Posted August 3, 2014 #188 Posted August 3, 2014 Sometimes it's wise to walk away for a while Ben. Glad to see you're back to it though. augie 1 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
Trussben Posted August 3, 2014 Author #189 Posted August 3, 2014 Thanks Grant, it's slow going here but ure right, I needed to walk away and come back! Ben Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
druxey Posted August 3, 2014 #190 Posted August 3, 2014 (edited) Yup. Take a deep breath, chalk it up to experience, and go at it fresh on another day. We've all been there at one time or many others! Edited August 3, 2014 by druxey Trussben 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
ChrisLBren Posted August 4, 2014 #191 Posted August 4, 2014 I hear ya buddy - walk away - take a break. Trussben 1 Quote
mtaylor Posted August 4, 2014 #192 Posted August 4, 2014 Good on you for the break. It's often needed when frustration sets in. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Trussben Posted August 4, 2014 Author #193 Posted August 4, 2014 Thanks for all the likes and support, I shall conquer this. Ben Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
MEDDO Posted August 4, 2014 #194 Posted August 4, 2014 I am sure the newest one will be even better. Can't wait to see the progress. Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
Trussben Posted August 9, 2014 Author #195 Posted August 9, 2014 Thanks for all the likes, comments and support. Yippee! Managed to complete the hawse timbers after the damaged can't frame 1 was replaced, obviously I need to mark and drill the hawse holes as well as make the bowsprit chock but pretty happy to of finally got to this point. I have also been making up the rest of the cant frames in readiness. And I have even spent quite a bit of time working on the Indy plans. Ben augie, archjofo, tlevine and 16 others 19 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
rafine Posted August 9, 2014 #196 Posted August 9, 2014 Looks great Ben. Bob Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
JPett Posted August 9, 2014 #197 Posted August 9, 2014 Ahoy Ben I have always found inspiration in your logs. This one however takes the biscuit. Simply amazing Trussben 1 Quote On with the Show.... J.Pett “If you're going through hell, keep going” (Winston Churchill) Current build: MS Rattlesnake (MS2028) http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/45-model-shipways-rattlesnake-ms2028-scale-164th/ Side Build: HMS Victory: Corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3709-hms-victory-by-jpett-corel-198/?p=104762 On the back burner: 1949 Chris Craft Racer: Dumas http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/939-1949-chris-craft-racer-by-jpett-dumas-kit-no-1702/ Sometime, but not sure when: Frigate Berlin: Corel http://www.corel-srl.it/pdf/berlin.pdf
gjdale Posted August 9, 2014 #198 Posted August 9, 2014 Congrats on finishing the hawse timbers Ben - they look great. Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
augie Posted August 9, 2014 #199 Posted August 9, 2014 Really good stuff there, Ben. Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
alangr4 Posted August 9, 2014 #200 Posted August 9, 2014 It is coming along wonderfully Ben. Well done. Alan Quote
MEDDO Posted August 10, 2014 #201 Posted August 10, 2014 Very nice looking bow and a neat recovery. Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
scratch Posted August 10, 2014 #202 Posted August 10, 2014 Lovely work indeed Ben . It's amazing how stepping away for a while helps to refocus the mind . Quote
Trussben Posted August 10, 2014 Author #203 Posted August 10, 2014 Thanks for the comments and likes. Managed to temporarily fix in place cants 3 thru 5 on both sides and mark up for the narrow bridle port, came out at the correct dimension of 1'9" wide which gives me a good feeling on the cant frame positions. The frames will now be pulled back out and the scores for the sills/lintels will be cut in. Also I marked and drilled #65 pilot holes for the Hawse holes. Ben Elmer Cornish, fatih79, scratch and 10 others 13 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
Remcohe Posted August 10, 2014 #204 Posted August 10, 2014 Looking good Ben, this sure is a tricky part to tackle Remco WackoWolf and Jeronimo 2 Quote Treat each part as if it is a model on its own, you will finish more models in a day than others do in a lifetime. Current build HMS Kingfisher MSW 1.0 log click here
druxey Posted August 10, 2014 #205 Posted August 10, 2014 Looks very good, Ben, but the hawse holes should not be level. They follow the sheer as the wale comes around the bow. This means that the inner ones are higher (or the outer ones lower). Please check this before you commit to drilling! Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
Trussben Posted August 10, 2014 Author #206 Posted August 10, 2014 Hey Druxey, The holes are not level, the outer ones are a 1/16 lower that the inner ones, notice the pencil lines. Ben Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
druxey Posted August 11, 2014 #207 Posted August 11, 2014 Oh, good! They looked horizontal in your photo. Must be the angle it was taken at. shiprookie and WackoWolf 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
Trussben Posted August 12, 2014 Author #208 Posted August 12, 2014 Cants 3 thru 5 have been fitted permently and now the bridle port sills/lintels are being fitted. Ben rafine, fatih79, AON and 14 others 17 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
MEDDO Posted August 14, 2014 #209 Posted August 14, 2014 Having the cant frames in finally has to make you feel good. It seems from the forums/logs etc that this was one of the more difficult steps in the build. Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
Trussben Posted August 15, 2014 Author #210 Posted August 15, 2014 Thanks Michael. The bridle ports sills/lintels have been completed and the temp spacers removed, just need to re add the toptimbers above the port. Ben fatih79, billocrates, mtaylor and 9 others 12 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
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