SkerryAmp Posted August 16, 2014 #481 Posted August 16, 2014 This is fun. It has it's frustration moments to be sure, but when those get solved, it's even more fun. And then there's those moments... when I sit back with a cup of fresh coffee and realize "holy crap... I did that!". This is one of the best parts of the hobby in my opinion! Looking Good Sir, lookin good!! mtaylor and captainbob 2 Quote -Adam Current Builds Santa Maria - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB MayFlower - Model Shipways (5/32"=1') POB Blue Shadow - Mamoli Revolutionary War Brigantine. (Fict) (1:64) POB (Recommissioned as the Kara June) On The Shelf Waiting so Patiently USRC Ranger - Corel (1:50) POB 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways (1:4) POF La Nina - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB U.S Brig Syren - Model Shipways (1:64) POB Completed Builds Phantom NY Pilot Boat - Model Shipways (1:96) Solid Hull Decommissioned Builds (Time and conditions were not good to these. They have been cancelled =( ) Willie L Bennett - Model Shipways (1:32) POF USRC Harriet Lane - Model Shipways (1:128) Solid Hull
mtaylor Posted August 31, 2014 Author #482 Posted August 31, 2014 Slowly trucking right along.... fore cant frames are in and need fairing. A lot of fairing but that's what I planned. I'm working on cutting out and fitting the hawse timbers as this is being written. Much research still going in in the background. Probably more research than work right now... I fully believe that Mr. Delacroix is spot on about using the Belle Poule monograph for details and rigging which is not what Hahn used. Hahn used Le Venus which is too late in the period and things were done differently in the planking, rigging, and details area. Le Renommee is too early with the wales, quarter galleries and stern areas as well some minor details. I fully suspect that Licorne was built originally along the lines of Le Renommee per the bow, stern, wales and gallery drawings I've seen but that there was a major rebuild somewhere before she was captured as she has much of the Belle Poule features. I'm still sorting out the odd yard dimensions which match Le Venus but not Belle Poule. Again, this may have been part the transition period so the rigging will probably be the spar and yard dimensions per the NMM (as captured) but use the Belle Poule rigging plan as that seems more appropriate for the time frame. I still have a long way to go before I even think about rigging, but its something that needs to be sorted out for the hull sheave placement. My plan, subject to change, is to carry on and once the hull is framed and faired, plank the exterior per the NMM/Hahn drawings with mods from Belle Poule. By all means, feel free to click the pic for a larger view. Critiques (negative, corrective, etc.) are always welcome as I'm still trying to get a handle on this beast. Shazmira, Blue Ensign, Trussben and 36 others 39 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
NMBROOK Posted August 31, 2014 #483 Posted August 31, 2014 Apologies for my absence Mark Having now caught up with your log,I have to say wonderful work,she is progressing well Kind Regards Nigel mtaylor 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline
gjdale Posted August 31, 2014 #484 Posted August 31, 2014 I see a ship! CaptainSteve, augie, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
themadchemist Posted August 31, 2014 #485 Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) Just stunning Mark. Edited August 31, 2014 by themadchemist mtaylor 1 Quote
rafine Posted August 31, 2014 #486 Posted August 31, 2014 You'll get no negative or corrective critiques from me Mark. It's looking great. Bob mtaylor 1 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
augie Posted August 31, 2014 #487 Posted August 31, 2014 Please see above. mtaylor 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
trippwj Posted August 31, 2014 #488 Posted August 31, 2014 I'm with Augie. Can't think of any additional superlatives. mtaylor 1 Quote WayneNeither should a ship rely on one small anchor, nor should life rest on a single hope.Epictetus
Vivian Galad Posted August 31, 2014 #489 Posted August 31, 2014 Fantastic work, Mark. And, if she´s a beast, you´r a great tamer :P Bindy and mtaylor 2 Quote Current: Red Dragon (modified) by Vivian Galad - Artesania Latina - 1:60 Oseberg (modified) by Vivian Galad - Amati (1:50)Cocca Veneta by Vivian Galad - Corel - 1:70 Finished 15th Century Latin Caravel kit model from Artimanha models
Jim Lad Posted September 1, 2014 #490 Posted September 1, 2014 Just delightful, Mark! John mtaylor 1 Quote
michael mott Posted September 1, 2014 #491 Posted September 1, 2014 Mark she is looking great, I bet you are glad that you started over. Michael mtaylor 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
NenadM Posted September 1, 2014 #492 Posted September 1, 2014 Wonderfull work, Mark You are inspiring my imagination ... Have you read "Song of Ice and Fire" ... Nagga`s hill, temple of Ironborn, made of ribs of Nagga, dragon from ancient time Something like that mtaylor, Aussie048, Vivian Galad and 5 others 8 Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic
mtaylor Posted September 1, 2014 Author #493 Posted September 1, 2014 Thanks for the comments and the likes. I see a ship! That's a good thing. What I see is a collection of wood sailing along in loose formation. :D Wonderfull work, Mark You are inspiring my imagination ... Have you read "Song of Ice and Fire" ... Nagga`s hill, temple of Ironborn, made of ribs of Nagga, dragon from ancient time Something like that 350px-Naggas_Hill.jpg nagga.jpg Thanks for the reference, Nenad. I remember this from quite sometime ago and had to go back and Google it. Somewhat appropriate, I agree. I'm carrying on.. adding the spacers to the cants and sorting out the hawse timbers. Made a few discoveries in the research trail so I'm gong to think about them a bit before I act. But the timbers have to be in place first. CaptainSteve 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
BANYAN Posted September 1, 2014 #494 Posted September 1, 2014 That's a good thing. What I see is a collection of wood sailing along in loose formation. :D You need to visit your optometrist again Mark - that's a pretty tight formation (of timbers) with some very disciplined sailing masters maintaining close station keeping :) cheers Pat mtaylor 1 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
mtaylor Posted September 1, 2014 Author #495 Posted September 1, 2014 Mark she is looking great, I bet you are glad that you started over. Michael Thanks Michael. Yes, I'm very glad I started over. You need to visit your optometrist again Mark - that's a pretty tight formation (of timbers) with some very disciplined sailing masters maintaining close station keeping :) cheers Pat Thanks for that Pat. Where the "loose" comes from is periodically one goes flying off into the nether regions of the workshop. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Sjors Posted September 2, 2014 #496 Posted September 2, 2014 I see a ship! O is it that Grant. Thanks for pointing me out Just kidding Mark, it looks great . A lot of work and a good example for Anja when she ever is doing her scratch build .... Sjors mtaylor 1 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre
src Posted September 3, 2014 #497 Posted September 3, 2014 Mark, only one negative critic - I DIDNT BUILD IT! Great work. Sam mtaylor, gjdale and Sjors 3 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise
mtaylor Posted September 11, 2014 Author #498 Posted September 11, 2014 Yeah for me...after 11 days and 3 tries, the hawse timbers are cut, assembled, shaped, and installed. They still need lots of sanding but it's best (from my point of view) to blend into the framing plus there's an inside curve down down low that becomes the outside curve as it rises. I'm thinking it's best to try it this way. There's also still a ton of fairing to do and I want that done and out of the way before attacking the stern. So the next update my be awhile. I'm debating whether to drill out the hawse ports or put in the plugs and leave the anchors unrigged. My reasoning is that I'm considering full rigging and sails for this one. KentM, riverboat, tlevine and 33 others 36 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
BANYAN Posted September 11, 2014 #499 Posted September 11, 2014 Nice job Mark; take a bow and several rum 'tots' to celebrate cheers Pat mtaylor 1 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
Jim Lad Posted September 11, 2014 #500 Posted September 11, 2014 Hawse timbers fitted is a huge step forward, Mark. John mtaylor 1 Quote
Erebus and Terror Posted September 11, 2014 #501 Posted September 11, 2014 Looking grand! Nicely done. mtaylor 1 Quote Building Terror Blog
Omega1234 Posted September 11, 2014 #502 Posted September 11, 2014 Hi Mark. Sometimes when a hull's framework is done as well as yours, it's almost a shame to cover it. No doubt it has to be, but I reckon you'd be wanting to take lots of photos to capture your fine work. Well done and you've certainly set very high standards for meticulousness and care. All the best! Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora
dgbot Posted September 11, 2014 #503 Posted September 11, 2014 Looking good Mark. Now just the patience to sand the frames to their final shape. David B Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
augie Posted September 11, 2014 #504 Posted September 11, 2014 So you are describing two compound curves, in opposite directions, coming smoothly together on the same 'piece' or section. That had to be a serious challenge to get symmetrical. Well done, Mark. Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
Piet Posted September 11, 2014 #505 Posted September 11, 2014 Great looking hawse timbers Mark. If one can see the hawser cable and capstan it would be like icing on the cake if you can lead the hawser cable through the hawse holes. You can still rig the anchors as you mentioned. Although, it would also look great to have one anchor hanging down on the hawser cable. A little extra drama. Just thinking mind you Cheers, Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum)
SkerryAmp Posted September 11, 2014 #506 Posted September 11, 2014 Okay.. I'll be that guy. ONE critique, ... MINE do not look like that. I love this hobby, this craft... but when I see things like what you are doing you truly see the art of it. I am sure you see every ding, oops and aww cruds .... but trust me my friend, It is missed on me - that looks absolutely fantastic!!! Quote -Adam Current Builds Santa Maria - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB MayFlower - Model Shipways (5/32"=1') POB Blue Shadow - Mamoli Revolutionary War Brigantine. (Fict) (1:64) POB (Recommissioned as the Kara June) On The Shelf Waiting so Patiently USRC Ranger - Corel (1:50) POB 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways (1:4) POF La Nina - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB U.S Brig Syren - Model Shipways (1:64) POB Completed Builds Phantom NY Pilot Boat - Model Shipways (1:96) Solid Hull Decommissioned Builds (Time and conditions were not good to these. They have been cancelled =( ) Willie L Bennett - Model Shipways (1:32) POF USRC Harriet Lane - Model Shipways (1:128) Solid Hull
mtaylor Posted September 11, 2014 Author #507 Posted September 11, 2014 Thanks for the likes and comments. Nice job Mark; take a bow and several rum 'tots' to celebrate cheers Pat I hope to, tomorrow, Pat. No time this evening. Hawse timbers fitted is a huge step forward, Mark. John John, I think you're right. I look at the plans and the cutting drawing and said, "no big deal"... 3 times. Looking good Mark. Now just the patience to sand the frames to their final shape.David B Patience I have plenty of, along with sandpaper. So you are describing two compound curves, in opposite directions, coming smoothly together on the same 'piece' or section. That had to be a serious challenge to get symmetrical. Well done, Mark. You got it, Augie. I've attached a drawing. I'm not quite there yet as everything has to be blended, See the drawing. The bow actually isn't that simple as it tapers forward as well as down. Great looking hawse timbers Mark. If one can see the hawser cable and capstan it would be like icing on the cake if you can lead the hawser cable through the hawse holes. You can still rig the anchors as you mentioned. Although, it would also look great to have one anchor hanging down on the hawser cable. A little extra drama. Just thinking mind you Cheers, Hmm... I smell a challenge there. Turnabout is fairplay. Okay.. I'll be that guy. ONE critique, ... MINE do not look like that. I love this hobby, this craft... but when I see things like what you are doing you truly see the art of it. I am sure you see every ding, oops and aww cruds .... but trust me my friend, It is missed on me - that looks absolutely fantastic!!! Indeed Adam. I'm staring at those "aww cruds" and trying to picture in my mind fixing them. Luckily, I'm not seeing any show-stoppers. And you're not fooling me, I've seen your builds. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Blue Ensign Posted September 11, 2014 #508 Posted September 11, 2014 Has it really been a month since I last visited your log Mark?..... but one advantage is I get the full impact of your progress and the wonderful full framing shots, a pleasure to view. B.E. mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
Mike Y Posted September 11, 2014 #509 Posted September 11, 2014 (carefully writing down the notes). Mark, thanks again for a step-by-step documentation of your build. It is very useful for a novice builders like me! However, just in case if you missed it before, is that an optical illusion or there is a small "pit" in the frame here? Or the frames would be significantly sanded anyway, so such small things should be ignored? Elmer Cornish and mtaylor 2 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS
gjdale Posted September 11, 2014 #510 Posted September 11, 2014 Congrats Mark. Take a bow and have an adult beverage or three. She's looking mighty fine Sir! mtaylor 1 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
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