Licorne (1755) by mtaylor - (POF) - 3/16 - French Frigate (Hahn) - Version 2.0 - TERMINATED

[mtaylor]

Thank you for the "likes" and the comments.

 

Well.. to paraphrase Clement Moore...  "The rudder was hung on the sternpost with care in hopes that I won't pull out my hair".   Yeah.. bad verse.. Oh well.

 

This part took some sorting out on exactly how to hang it properly rather than sort of cobbled like I did the kit models...   Thank heavens for the Optivisor as the holes for the bolts were pretty tiny.  I've half a mind to build the next one at 1:48 or 1:36 even just so I can see without eyestrain.  Like the Admiralty would be receptive to that.     

 

Next up will be the rudder coat (hopefully), the strop, and the chains.   Thanks to seeing Giampero's rudder coat, he gave me some ideas on how the Licorne's should look.  

 

Anyway, pictures.....

 

  

[Omega1234]

Hi Mark

 

Well done, Mark.  She hangs absolutely straight and proper!

 

Nice.  

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

[cog]

Mark,

 

Looks like fiddly work to me, quite nice ... is it an optical illusion due to the angle of of the ship in the photo, or is the angle from that left (Ishould say top) bottom strip smaller towards the top ...

 

Cheers

Edited March 25, 2016 by cog

[mtaylor]

Mark,

 

Looks like fiddly work to me, quite nice ... is it an optical illusion due to the angle of of the ship in the photo, or is the angle from that left (Ishould say top) bottom strip smaller towards the top ...

 

Cheers

 

Not an illusion, Carl.  It's off a tad....         I think I found the "wall side".... It looks better on the other side. 

[cog]

Mark,

 

When it's right side up, you will hardly notice my friend ... besides it's a lot easier on this side, giving comments ... I couldn't match your prowes!!!

 

Cheers

[UpstateNY]

Just lovely work Mark.  The whole stern has come together beautifully.

 

Cheers,

 

Nigel.

[gjdale]

Well hung Mark............er, the rudder that is..................

[popeye the sailor]

wonderful that the rudder is finally where it should be      super job my friend!  as a side note......your running out of reasons why she should be upside down     a suitable stand would be the ticket by now.....unless your going for the pedestals.

[NenadM]

[src]

Well done Mark, fiddly indeed.

i am envious, you only have one wall side, i have five!!

Sam

[Jack12477]

Nice, Mark

[GLakie]

Looks like you did a fine job on the rudder Mark! 

[JesseLee]

Super job on the rudder Mark!

 

Jesse

[Sjors]

What shall I say about the rudder.........

Netjes gedaan !!!!! ( very nice job , translation for all the members who not can read Dutch      )

 

Sjors

[mtaylor]

Thanks for the likes and the comments...  

 

I've done 3 rudder coats so far and no joy.  I'm not sure if it's me and fat fingers, the scale, or the material.  But I will persevere on this endeavor for a bit longer.   I'm going to try a different material.

 

 

Mark,

 

When it's right side up, you will hardly notice my friend ... besides it's a lot easier on this side, giving comments ... I couldn't match your prowes!!!

 

Cheers

 

I suspect you're right about when it's right side up, Carl.   I like the logic anyway.  

 

wonderful that the rudder is finally where it should be      super job my friend!  as a side note......your running out of reasons why she should be upside down     a suitable stand would be the ticket by now.....unless your going for the pedestals.

 

Reasons or excuses?          I have the plans ready for a build cradle.  I've been staring at the inside and what needs to be done to the outside... I may just bite the bullet in the near future.  I do like the solid feeling of the build board.  Sort of like hiding out in a blanket fort.  

 

Well done Mark, fiddly indeed.

i am envious, you only have one wall side, i have five!!

Sam

 

The build is still young Sam.  I could easily end up with 5 also.      

[Greg the peg leg sailor]

Hi Mark

 

Well done, Mark.  She hangs absolutely straight and proper!

 

Nice.  

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

 

Are you being a bit rude Patrick? Lol

Greg

[Greg the peg leg sailor]

Well hung Mark............er, the rudder that is..................

 

Another one Grant!

lol

[Greg the peg leg sailor]

G'day Mark

A job well done! It looks so fiddly and the end result is a piece of "art".

Havagooday

Greg

[Omega1234]

Are you being a bit rude Patrick? Lol

Greg

Who me? Can't be. I had a Christian upbringing...I swear!!!

[BANYAN]

Mark, I was able to get some chamoise leather (very very thin) from a modelling shop here in Aussie - this might do a reasonable job but I think there were canvas?  For my Endeavour I used some calico (well washed; put it on, wet it with a very diluted PVA/water solution, shaped and let it dry. Not perfect but...

 

cheers

 

Pat

[mtaylor]

Thanks Pat.  I'm aiming for a canvas look.   I'm waiting for the color to dry on the latest bit of silkspan and then I'll fit and take a hard look.  Even though this is under the counter, I still want it looking "right" and nice.  

[popeye the sailor]

I used a piece of the sail material I got with the Gothenborg.   they don't give you enough to do them IMO........it looks and feels like canvas,  especially if you give it a lacquer coat.

[mtaylor]

Thanks for the likes, comments, and suggestions including those via PM.

 

After many attempts and much aggravation, I'm giving up on the rudder coat.   I've learned a few lessons on this and presumably the time spent counts towards the 10,000 hours that Druxey mentions.

 

I've tried silkspan, paper, cloth, even foil.  I considered sculpy clay and may still try that but for now... I'll move on.  It boils down to at this moment, there's not enough room to work. I went too far on the stern build out and rudder installation.

 

 

The lessons..

 

1) Think not just 100 steps but a 1000.   When I planked the counter, I put on Wipe-on-Poly.... errr.. no.  Should have waited.  (Not thinking far enough ahead).  Possibly I needed to sort the rudder coat at this time but definitely before fitting the rudder into place.

 

2) When I buildt the rudder, the pins on the rudder irons should have been a bit longer and tapered before soldering up the irons.  (Lack of knowledge.. need deeper research early on).

 

3) By tapering the pins and opening up the recesses in the rudder, the rudder could be removed and re-installed easily.  (Doooh... moment).

 

Anyway, for now, I'll take a pass, not worry about it but continue to think.  If I get an "ah-ha" moment, I'll add it later.

 

Meantime, I'm adding the strop and the chains.

[Blue Ensign]

Hi Mark, you're doing a fine, fine job, love the glazing effect in the stern lights.

 

B.E.

[Erebus and Terror]

Just catching up on your progress over the last few weeks. Spectacular!

[BANYAN]

Build and learn in the extreme hey Mark   I hope you're logging these 'lessons learned' - sadly i didn't and will probably repeat a few (another lesson learned ).  I am sure you will find a solution to your collar issue when you least expect it.  I am also recalling a muuch rum befuddled memory from MSW 1  (I think) where someone used the inner foil from cigarette packets for this task also???

 

 

cheers

 

Pat

Edited March 27, 2016 by BANYAN

[popeye the sailor]

I formed mine using a like size dowel.   I do believe I cemented the hull edge in place and folded it inward after it was dry.  when the rudder was set in place,  it gave the appearance that it was connected to the rudder.  good idea to occupy yourself with something else.........it will give you more time to think of a solution.    you'll come up with something......I'm sure of it  

[cog]

Mark,

 

Re the rudder coat (thought it was an apron, but that proved wrong) ... couldn't you make a sleeve which at one end is inverted - to make a rounded bottom - and push that down the top of the rudder trough the 'hole' (keep on forgetting those names, darn foreign nautical terminology) ... I would use something like musseline or rice paper (the type used for shoji - Japanese sliding doors e.g.) ..

 

Cheers

Edited March 29, 2016 by cog

[mtaylor]

Thanks for the likes, the comments, and the ideas.

 

Carl, I think you might be onto something. I never thought about coming in from the top.  I'll take another look this week and see.  

 

Pat, I seem to recall that build also... too many years ago,.. <sigh>  Oh yes, I'm logging the lessons.

 

 

Here's the rudder in it's not quite or maybe it is, final form.  (Rudder coat notwithstanding).  I've added the strop and the chains.   Now that's back in it's jig, I'm going to attend to several things...  the rudder coat install from the top, the carvings <takes a deep breath>, the quarter galleries, and a bit if finishing up the sanding on the inside of the hull.

 

And the pictures.  I'm pretty happy with it even with some issues that the macro brings up..  

 

 

 

[Kevin]

lovely work, lol you were on the windows last time I looked, just where is my time going to,  I had to giggle when you were talking about the rudder pins and needing a bigger scale next time,and the same discussion would be brought up on some detail that we hadnt even thought of