druxey Posted October 30, 2014 Share #661 Posted October 30, 2014 Frieze background colors vary. Blue is common, but I've seen black as well as red. The painting by Marshall in 1775 of King Fisher (sic) shows quite a vivid blue! (Science Museum collection, Kensington.) Your choice, Ms. shipwright. Jeronimo, WackoWolf, jaerschen and 3 others 6 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share #662 Posted November 9, 2014 Thanks to everyone for their input regarding the planking below the transom. Obviously, somewhere along the way, a measurement was off by about 1/8" (6" full size). I decided to make up for this by making the planking below the transom look like it was designed to have a filler piece and not a correction for an "oopsie". I am pleased with the look so far. The same number of planks end on the wing transom as shown in TFFM. The difference is that there is no need for a slight flare at the end because of the filler piece. After installing the first row of planking below the "gang of six", I decided to lay out on the hull the rest of the runs of planking. Tick strips were used at every station to obtain the remaining width. This was divided by nine (the remaining number of rows) and the width was transferred to the hull with calipers. After all the station marks were drawn in, the marks were connected in a fair line to show the run of the planking. I also marked out the butts of the planks. This makes the rest of the job much easier. While there was a significant amount of framing visible, I decided to mark their locations on the planking so the lines of treenails would be fair. At the stern this involved also marking out the fashion pieces and the location of imaginary cant frames going up towards the wing transom. Everything looks a little rough at this stage, having only lightly sanded with 100 grit. scratch, jaerschen, gjdale and 20 others 23 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: NRG Rigging Project Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted November 10, 2014 Share #663 Posted November 10, 2014 The planking at the tuck looks much better now! Well done, Toni. Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Vadas Posted November 10, 2014 Share #664 Posted November 10, 2014 Hi Toni, Don't take the Planking Expansion in TFFM as gospel, especially around this stage of the external planking. David himself admits that there will be variations, as this Expansion was done using a CAD program. Any slight deviation in measurement over a couple of planks, or more significantly a variation in Fairing the frames WILL result in an error somewhere down the track. I found I was quite a way off the TFFM expansion by now, and had to "Become My Own Shipwright" to get them to fit. From the explanations in your last post it looks like you're on the right track . Danny mtaylor, Richard Griffith and WackoWolf 3 Quote Cheers, Danny ________________________________________________________________________________ Current Build : Forced Retirement from Modelling due to Health Issues Build Logs : Norfolk Sloop HMS Vulture - (TFFM) HMS Vulture Cross-section 18 foot Cutter Concord Stagecoach 18th Century Longboat in a BOTTLE CARD Model Build Logs : Mosel Sydney Opera House (Schreiber-Bogen) WWII Mk. IX Spitfire (Halinski) Rolls Royce Merlin Engine Cape Byron Lighthouse (HMV) Stug 40 (Halinski) Yamaha MT-01 Yamaha YA-1 HMS Hood (Halinski) Bismarck (GPM) IJN Amatsukaze 1940 Destroyer (Halinski) HMVS Cerberus Mi24D Hind (Halinski) Bulgar Steam Locomotive - (Modelik) Tanker and Beer Wagons (Modelik) Flat Bed Wagon (Modelik) Peterbuilt Semi Trailer Fender Guitar Restorations for Others : King of the Mississippi HMS Victory Gallery : Norfolk Sloop, HMAT Supply, HMS Bounty, HMS Victory, Charles W. Morgan, 18' Cutter for HMS Vulture, HMS Vulture, HMS Vulture Cross-section, 18th Century Longboat in a Bottle Other Previous Builds : Le Mirage, Norske Love, King of the Mississippi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury S Posted November 10, 2014 Share #665 Posted November 10, 2014 Looks great. The ends of the tuck are very clean. The holly was a great choice. Maury Quote Current diversion: Anchor Hoy c 1815 - 1825 1:48 scale Recent Builds: Fair American: 18th C. Longboat: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/2284-longboat-18th-c-by-maury-modelshipways-by-chuck/ Echo Cross Section: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/513-echo-cross-section-by-maury/ Emma C. Berry http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/203-emma-c-berry-132-pof-by-maury/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussben Posted November 10, 2014 Share #666 Posted November 10, 2014 Got to agree, very nice tuck. Ben Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share #667 Posted November 12, 2014 Thank you Druxey, Maury and Ben. And thank you everyone for the likes. You're right, Danny. In laying the hull planking, the tendency is to make the planks too wide. This becomes a cumulative error which would result in one or two rows of skinny planks. Hopefully, only a few more weeks to go before the wood worms go to work. Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: NRG Rigging Project Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex M Posted November 12, 2014 Share #668 Posted November 12, 2014 Very fine planking, Toni! I also like the contrast between Holly and Pear! Alex Quote Current build: HMS Sphynx, 20 gun ship launched in 1775 at Portsmouth, Hampshire. On the drawing board: HMS Anson, 64 gun third rate ship of the line, launched in 1781 at Plymouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted November 22, 2014 Author Share #669 Posted November 22, 2014 Today I laid the final hull plank. No pictures coming for a bit as I have everything lined off for the treenailing to commence and it looks rather messy as a result. Remcohe, artitec3, druxey and 4 others 7 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: NRG Rigging Project Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted November 22, 2014 Share #670 Posted November 22, 2014 Congratulations on a major milestone, Toni. Looking forward to those after treenailing/sanding photos! druxey 1 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted November 30, 2014 Author Share #671 Posted November 30, 2014 I am not sure which is more tedious, treenailing a hull or tying ratlines. At this point I am over halfway done with an estimated time so far of 15 hours. This includes marking the locations for the treenails, drilling the holes (#75 bit), drawing the treenails (hole 20 on the Byrnes drawplate) and finally inserting the treenails. I have used bamboo for these to give me the least color contrast with the holly. I usually dry-fit treenails but for extra strength these are all dipped in dilute yellow glue. I hope to finish them up next weekend and then start sanding the hull. Right now it is pretty ugly, covered in lines and holes and little bumps which make it look more like a plucked chicken than a ship. tadheus, scratch, druxey and 19 others 22 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: NRG Rigging Project Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted November 30, 2014 Share #672 Posted November 30, 2014 I've never heard of the 'plucked chicken' analogy before, but you are right about that! Your model is looking very good now, Toni. Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted December 1, 2014 Share #673 Posted December 1, 2014 Treenailing vs. ratlines..... Hmmmm Hard choice Toni. I envision building a ship and saving all the treenailing until I begin rigging the ratlines. Then I could tie a clove hitch, then fit a treenail....clove hitch...treenail, clove hitch....treenail, etc. Maybe throw a scratch deadeye in the mix here and there just to add a little variety. Hull looks great! Nice work Toni. Quote Sawdust Dave - Current build - USS Constitution 1:60th (scratch).... Visit my blog site - All previous builds.... http://davesmodelships.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted December 1, 2014 Share #674 Posted December 1, 2014 Just catching up, Toni - she's looking 'the bees knees'. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share #675 Posted December 1, 2014 Druxey, it was either plucked poultry or measles. I went with the less contagious analogy. Dave, if I did that sequence I would be admitted to the asylum post haste! And don't forget adding a scratch block in there as well. John, thanks for looking in. Since the posting I got a little more accomplished. Only 25% more to go. druxey and mtaylor 2 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: NRG Rigging Project Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted December 1, 2014 Share #676 Posted December 1, 2014 I normally do not like tree nails mainly be cause of the pox effect, but I have a feeling your lady is going to shine. David B Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted December 1, 2014 Share #677 Posted December 1, 2014 Yep....I agree Toni. Straight jacket and padded walls time for sure. Quote Sawdust Dave - Current build - USS Constitution 1:60th (scratch).... Visit my blog site - All previous builds.... http://davesmodelships.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussben Posted December 1, 2014 Share #678 Posted December 1, 2014 Good progress Toni - glad I'm only going to plank above the Wales on Pegasus. Ben Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted December 6, 2014 Author Share #679 Posted December 6, 2014 Thanks, everyone for the comments and the likes. I have finished the treenails. I estimate that the whole process consumed about 25 hours of my life. So my ugly duckling is now in the process of becoming a swan (class). Sorry, couldn't help it. I removed the hull from the board for the sanding process. I find it easier to sand a curved object while holding it in my lap. This gives me easier access to the various rabbets and the intersection with the wing transom. In the process, despite using masking tape, the main wale has gotten fairly scuffed up and will require another coat of paint. In the pictures the hull has been sanded down with 100 grit. The treenails are hard to see because no finish has been applied yet. gjdale, iosto, scratch and 19 others 22 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: NRG Rigging Project Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted December 7, 2014 Share #680 Posted December 7, 2014 A great looking model Toni. Do you plan on putting any type of finsh on her when done with the sanding? David B Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted December 7, 2014 Author Share #681 Posted December 7, 2014 I have decided to use a finish that will not yellow the holly. In TFFM David mentions a solvent-based sealer for his finish. For those of you who own his Comet book or have seen the photos, that is the look I am trying to achieve. The bottle of solvent-based sanding sealer I have was quite a few years old so I purchased some from Midwest Models, as well as a bottle of flat finish. I have not decided whether to stick with just the sealer or put a coat of finish on as well. The pictures are taken after two coats of sealer, the first sanded down to 320 grit and the second sanded to 400. Later this week I will test applying a coat of the finish on some scrap wood. One of the nice things about the sealer is that the drying time is very fast but as this is solvent based the smell is pretty strong. Unlike a oil based finish, the odor dissipates quickly. Jason, Dan Vadas, robin b and 19 others 22 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: NRG Rigging Project Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted December 8, 2014 Share #682 Posted December 8, 2014 I love the sanding sealer non-finish, Toni but i's just personal preference. I haven't found an oil finish that doesn't yellow the holly somewhat. Are you planning to touch up the undersides of the wales or is it invisible in the upright position? I'd worry about bleeding into the holly even with tape. Perhaps a scored line as David suggested elsewhere? WackoWolf 1 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted December 8, 2014 Share #683 Posted December 8, 2014 Looking very nice indeed, Toni. I bet you are glad only one side is planked! mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share #684 Posted December 8, 2014 Greg, initially I was not too sure about the dead flat finish but it is starting to grow on me. The wale definitely needs more than just touching up. It is painted with dull enamel so it should be reasonably easy to control application. It will be good practice prior to attempting the friezes! And yes, druxey, I am glad only one side is planked. I never want to see another treenail again, at least until I get to the quarter deck. But seriously, leaving one side exposed gives me two models. The exposed side demonstrates just how crazy I am to fabricate all those parts and the planked side shows the beauty of her lines. The other models that I have made this way are displayed in a case with a mirror on the back wall to show both styles. jaerschen, dvm27, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: NRG Rigging Project Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted December 8, 2014 Share #685 Posted December 8, 2014 beautiful job on the planking Toni, I also like the subtle contrast with the bamboo treenails. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlevine Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share #686 Posted December 14, 2014 I have proclaimed the lower hull planking finished! In the end I applied three coats of sanding sealer and one coat of flat finish. This was sanded to 1200 grit. The finish coat adds luster without shine and is a harder finish than the sanding sealer. The upper planking will be finished with Watco's to match the rest of the Costello after the channels, moldings, etc. have been installed. I repainted the wale and put her back in the cradle. druxey, Elia, cabrapente and 39 others 42 Quote Toni Chairman Nautical Research Guild Member Nautical Research and Model Society Member Midwest Model Shipwrights Current Builds: NRG Rigging Project Completed Builds: Longboat - 1:48 scale HMS Atalanta-1775 - 1:48 scale Half Hull Planking Project Capstan Project Swallow 1779 - 1:48 scale Echo Cross Section Gallery: Hannah - 1:36 scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remcohe Posted December 15, 2014 Share #687 Posted December 15, 2014 She looks wonderful Tony, I really like the contrast of the fully planked hull side next to the bare one. Remco WackoWolf 1 Quote Treat each part as if it is a model on its own, you will finish more models in a day than others do in a lifetime. Current build HMS Kingfisher MSW 1.0 log click here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WackoWolf Posted December 15, 2014 Share #688 Posted December 15, 2014 One side plank and one side open, nice touch. Looks beautiful, nice finished on the planking. Keep the updates and pictures coming. Thank you for sharing this with us. Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted December 15, 2014 Share #689 Posted December 15, 2014 Great looking Swan Class Toni, beautiful planking Job of the port side.... Nils Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted December 15, 2014 Share #690 Posted December 15, 2014 Just beautiful Toni! Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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