Richard44 Posted August 13, 2021 Share #1531 Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, chris watton said: Barking Fish We've got some weird creatures here in Oz, but barking fish?? 😆 (Yes, I know Barking is a town in England, but temptation got the better of me.) Edited August 13, 2021 by Richard44 thibaultron, chris watton and Canute 2 1 Richard Next build: Completed builds: AL's Endeavour, Corel's Bellona, Amati's Xebec, Billing's Roar Ege, Panart's Armed Launch Ships' Boats - Vanguard 1:64 and Master Korabel 1:72 Alexander Arbuthnot, Christiaan Brunings, Pevensey all by World of Paperships HMS Pegasus by Victory Captain John Smith's Shallop by Pavel Nitikin Rumpler "Taube" 1911 by HMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted August 13, 2021 Share #1532 Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, chris watton said: There is one I may do called 'Saucy Jack', a Barking Fish carrier! That would be very cool! I couldn't find a photo of these fishing smacks but here is an interesting article about them. http://valencehousecollections.co.uk/browse/are-you-being-saucy-jack/ Edited August 13, 2021 by BobG mtaylor, thibaultron, Canute and 2 others 5 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphys77 Posted August 14, 2021 Share #1533 Posted August 14, 2021 Hi Chris, first off, congratulations with the obvious success of your latest model kit. Looking forward to see the kits being built on here. You seem to be a breath of fresh air in what was becoming a rather stagnant hobby, not too many kit manufactures are putting out new innovative kits like you are. Back in January, I think it was you wrote, Just the smallest of updates, I now have three sizes of stern lantern available. They come in pairs and consist of a cast resin top and bottom, and fold-around photo etch frame that fits in between. Simple things, but the castings are quite detailed, especially compared to my past efforts, a turned top and bottom on the lathe and cast in white metal.. Lanterns – VANGUARD MODELS Sizes are (height): SMALL – 17.8mm MEDIUM – 21.3mm LARGE – 23.7mm What happened to these lanterns? You only list two sizes these days, and just to clarify, is the measurement from top of vent to underside where the bracket fits? Its hard to judge using the clip as a scale and I don't know how big James's hands are! Will the earlier sizes make a comeback or indeed do you have any left? Thanks. M. chris watton, mtaylor, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted August 14, 2021 Author Share #1534 Posted August 14, 2021 The three sizes of lanterns are still there, they are on page two of the fittings pages: Lanterns (pairs) – Standard – VANGUARD MODELS So I sell a total of 5 different size lanterns, three with PE and and a cast resin top and bottom, and 2 sizes that are 3-d printed. and originally developed for Sphinx (at quite a late stage in the development). Regarding the smaller fishing boat kits, some have asked for non UK subjects. I decided to concentrate first on UK based vessels because I know that many European manufacturers already have their local fishing boat kits for beginner kits (Italian, Spanish, French etc.), and US manufacturers cater for that market. Canute, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphys77 Posted August 14, 2021 Share #1535 Posted August 14, 2021 Oh, thanks Chris, I missed that! How dumb am I! But the measurement is from the top of vent to the underside? right? Thanks again. M. thibaultron, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted August 14, 2021 Author Share #1536 Posted August 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Murphys77 said: Oh, thanks Chris, I missed that! How dumb am I! But the measurement is from the top of vent to the underside? right? Thanks again. M. Yes, full length always included, otherwise it would be very confusing! mtaylor and Canute 2 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted August 20, 2021 Author Share #1537 Posted August 20, 2021 Look what arrived today, as promised by my printers! We will spend all weekend finishing the Sphinx kits, and making sure all is packed well, ready for shipping. All orders will be shipped next week. In the meantime, I have still been working on the new fishing boast designs, and have gone almost as far as I can with my pre-prototype models of Erycina and Nisha. I received samples of the 3-d printed castings for them yesterday. I decided to have the tow posts drawn in CAD and 3-d printed because I wanting it to be as true to the real thing as I could, as it has many shapes, coupled with a bracket with holes each side at the top. The winch drums are also 3-d printed castings, as is the chain pipe. The forward winch drums are new turned brass parts I had made. The rest of the kits will consist of laser cut and PE parts - but have to wait for the PE until next month... bruce d, Richard44, mtaylor and 33 others 33 2 1 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn-UK Posted August 20, 2021 Share #1538 Posted August 20, 2021 Great news Canute, mtaylor, hollowneck and 1 other 4 Glenn (UK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted August 20, 2021 Share #1539 Posted August 20, 2021 A quick heads-up... As the printers included an extra set of plans and manual (zero idea why!!), there is ONE more HMS Sphinx in the store. https://vanguardmodels.co.uk/product/hms-sphinx-1775/ No further kits can be made up until the next PS comes from Italy some time next month. I'm sure Chris won't mind me letting you all know Canute, Glenn-UK, mtaylor and 4 others 7 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted August 20, 2021 Author Share #1540 Posted August 20, 2021 I would have had an extra two, as the printers gave me 52 sets, but one of the 52 0.4mm PE sheets I have has slight damage, so cannot include. KentM, mtaylor, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1541 Posted August 21, 2021 What a fantastic line of models you are creating, Chris, and the instructions are as good as it gets. I really like the fishing vessels you are offering and I hope you'll continue to consider more of these smaller working vessels in your line of models in the future. chris watton, Canute, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1542 Posted August 21, 2021 2 hours ago, BobG said: smaller working vessels Aren’t you starting your Flirt? chris watton, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Regards, Glenn Current Build: HMS Winchelsea Completed Builds: HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1543 Posted August 21, 2021 The fishing boats look spectacular, Chris. Can’t wait to add to my fisher collection! mtaylor, Canute, BobG and 2 others 5 Erik K. Evens Architect and sailor Evens Architects Currently building: Brig Sloop HMS Flirt - Vanguard Models Completed: "Lady Isabella" Scottish Fishing Zulu - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1544 Posted August 21, 2021 50 minutes ago, glbarlow said: Aren’t you starting your Flirt? Yes, I will be starting the Flirt while working on the Pen Duick as well. I'm just glad that Chris isn't just making warships. I love the fishing vessels and all sorts of small crafts. Rik Thistle, chris watton, egkb and 4 others 7 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share #1545 Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) After an age sorting the 51 sets of plans and manual, and working out the best way to fit all in the box, the first has been done! 6.5kg in total (Speedy kit is 2kg and Duchess a little under 2.5kg) Now for the rest.. Edited August 21, 2021 by chris watton Canute, marktiedens, GrandpaPhil and 22 others 16 2 7 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1546 Posted August 21, 2021 Don't bother wrapping it Chris, I'll drive over and pick it up😉 B.E. Canute, Ryland Craze, hollowneck and 5 others 5 3 Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1547 Posted August 21, 2021 37 minutes ago, Blue Ensign said: Don't bother wrapping it Chris, I'll drive over and pick it up😉 B.E. So, have you got it yet? 😜 Canute, thibaultron, Richard44 and 1 other 4 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1548 Posted August 21, 2021 13 minutes ago, James H said: So, have you got it yet? 😜 I wish, and who could resist a day out in The Forest of Dean, our spaniel would love it. 😃 thibaultron, BobG, chris watton and 2 others 5 Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1549 Posted August 21, 2021 So tempting...... Chris, you are evil 😉😀 chris watton, BobG, mtaylor and 3 others 3 3 Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1550 Posted August 21, 2021 Hoping the box doesn’t collapse during shipping as the UPS people toss it about with all that weight. 😳 chris watton, BobG, hollowneck and 3 others 6 Regards, Glenn Current Build: HMS Winchelsea Completed Builds: HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1551 Posted August 21, 2021 Chris, can you give us a glimpse of what the rigs are like for the fishing boats? I found Erycina online, but she’s only shown as a gaff-rigged cutter, one mast. Canute, thibaultron, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Erik K. Evens Architect and sailor Evens Architects Currently building: Brig Sloop HMS Flirt - Vanguard Models Completed: "Lady Isabella" Scottish Fishing Zulu - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share #1552 Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, EKE said: Chris, can you give us a glimpse of what the rigs are like for the fishing boats? I found Erycina online, but she’s only shown as a gaff-rigged cutter, one mast. She was built as a cutter (1882), hence the lovely lines. ETA to include my rough initial drawings for Nisha sail plan Edited August 21, 2021 by chris watton GrandpaPhil, BobG, Jonny 007 and 9 others 11 1 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul carruthers Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1553 Posted August 21, 2021 UPS notifications received........ chris watton, mtaylor and Canute 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share #1554 Posted August 21, 2021 Busy day! Am laser cutting second batch of Sphinx stock and helping my wife with packing and booking the kits. But mostly Chantelle, as the 0.6mm pear sheet I am cutting requires a lot of attention... I think I already mentioned, I will not be able to laser cut anything from 19th September until early October, as our garage is having a new floor, new roof and walls insulated and partitioned, one half for the laser machines, and the other for materials (and gym..). So am keeping the laser machine running for as long as I can until then. I then get my second laser machine in late October, which I am very much looking forward to. Regarding the Sphinx second batch, the price has to be increased as I wanted the first batch to be a kind of 'special offer', as a lot of work per kit hasn't been taken into account for the first batch. I have mentioned that each kit has 6 and a half hours laser cutting/etching alone, and then on top there is much prep required after this. And to (almost) cap it all, I now have to pay import duty for my materials I get from the EU, which seems very arbitrary (with Germany being the absolute worst culprit) Finally, shipping rates, although dynamic and linked to the UPS server, so should be correct, have severely undercharged for all non-UK shipping. This business thing is a hell of a learning curve.... thibaultron, Canute, BenD and 9 others 9 1 2 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1555 Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) So beautiful, Chris! I love the lines of these kind of working boats. I’m so excited that you are creating these kits. Edited August 21, 2021 by EKE mtaylor, BobG, Canute and 2 others 5 Erik K. Evens Architect and sailor Evens Architects Currently building: Brig Sloop HMS Flirt - Vanguard Models Completed: "Lady Isabella" Scottish Fishing Zulu - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1556 Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, chris watton said: She was built as a cutter (1882), hence the lovely lines. ETA to include my rough initial drawings for Nisha sail plan I searched on Erycina (such a lovely name!) online, and found this book, which I ordered on Amazon. I’m going to do a bit of research while I wait for the kit to develop! Thanks so much, Chris! -Erik Edited August 21, 2021 by EKE chris watton, mtaylor, Canute and 4 others 7 Erik K. Evens Architect and sailor Evens Architects Currently building: Brig Sloop HMS Flirt - Vanguard Models Completed: "Lady Isabella" Scottish Fishing Zulu - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1557 Posted August 21, 2021 Erik, if you can get hold of Sailing Trawlers by Edgar J. March there are details of her scantlings and rigging sizes, together with four pages of plans. B.E. mtaylor, Canute, chris watton and 3 others 6 Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzdal Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1558 Posted August 21, 2021 "And to (almost) cap it all, I now have to pay import duty for my materials I get from the EU, which seems very arbitrary (with Germany being the absolute worst culprit)" And buying the kit in France, I also would have to pay import duties & probably a fee to UPS to pay them for their collecting the import duties. That's what happened when I bought a book on Amazon that was shipped to me from the UK. Richard Edited on Saturday, 21 August 2021 at 18:38 (GMT + 2) à Paris, France; sent later. thibaultron, Canute, chris watton and 1 other 1 3 Richard Current build : Victory cross section / DeAgostini, Lady Eleanor / Vanguard Models Other builds : N scale computer controlled model railroad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1559 Posted August 21, 2021 So, Brexit is working well it seems…😞 mtaylor, thibaultron, Canute and 3 others 1 4 1 Regards, Glenn Current Build: HMS Winchelsea Completed Builds: HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share #1560 Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, glbarlow said: So, Brexit is working well it seems…😞 It is so arbitrary, it's more like an extortion racket. When my materials are shipped in from Germany, sometimes I have to pay import duty, but other times I don't, and sometimes, the shipper will hold my shipment hostage until I pay their duties! Yet Italy, where my standard blocks, deadeyes, dowel and photo etch originates never charge any import duty (ned to double check that)! So much for the EU being one block! Edited August 21, 2021 by chris watton KentM, thibaultron, mtaylor and 1 other 2 2 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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