DelF Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1561 Posted August 21, 2021 UPS parcel expected Tuesday. Whoopee! chris watton, BobG, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Cheers, Derek Current build: Duchess of Kingston On hold: HMS Winchelsea Previous builds: HMS Speedy, English Pinnace, Royal Yacht Caroline (gallery), Victory Cross-section (gallery), US Clipper Albatros, Red Dragon (years ago!) On the stocks: 18th Century Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1562 Posted August 21, 2021 You know the old story Chris, the Germans made the rules, the British obeyed the rules, French ignored the rules, and the Italians said rules, what rules. B.E. uss frolick, thibaultron, KentM and 10 others 4 9 Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasseji Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1563 Posted August 21, 2021 51 minutes ago, chris watton said: It is so arbitrary, it's more like an extortion racket. When my materials are shipped in from Germany, sometimes I have to pay import duty, but other times I don't, and sometimes, the shipper will hold my shipment hostage until I pay their duties! Yet Italy, where my standard blocks, deadeyes, dowel and photo etch originates never charge any import duty (ned to double check that)! So much for the EU being one block! Yes, Germany seems to punish UK trade a lot, i had to Pay almost 8EURO fees for the small package you sent me.... The item value in the Pack was some 40pounds.... Aand the package needed 6weeks to get to me It starts to Look like it would be cheaper and faster if i'd come and Pick it up.... thibaultron, KentM, chris watton and 2 others 3 2 Jacek Current Build: HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models 1/64 On Hold/Parallel: Lady Nelson - Amati/Victory Models 1/64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1564 Posted August 21, 2021 3 hours ago, chris watton said: She was built as a cutter (1882), hence the lovely lines. I'm really excited about these models. The Pen Duick I'm building is a gaff rigged cutter and I could use some help in seeing how the gaff sail and the topsail are rigged on these cutters. The Artesania Latina plans are practically useless. I look forward to seeing your plans when you have them available. 2 hours ago, EKE said: I searched on Erycina (such a lovely name!) online, and found this book, which I ordered on Amazon. Great find, Erik. I just ordered it also. I hope it will help me with rigging the Pen Duick. mtaylor, thibaultron, chris watton and 1 other 4 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1565 Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Blue Ensign said: Erik, if you can get hold of Sailing Trawlers by Edgar J. March there are details of her scantlings and rigging sizes, together with four pages of plans. B.E. Just ordered a copy! Thanks! -EKE mtaylor, chris watton, Canute and 3 others 6 Erik K. Evens Architect and sailor Evens Architects Currently building: Brig Sloop HMS Flirt - Vanguard Models Completed: "Lady Isabella" Scottish Fishing Zulu - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1566 Posted August 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, EKE said: Just ordered a copy! Thanks! -EKE Let me know how helpful that book is when you get it, Erik. EKE, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share #1567 Posted August 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, EKE said: Just ordered a copy! Thanks! -EKE This book is the Bible of English fishing vessels! I ordered mine from an online second hand bookstore, based in California of all places! BobG, thibaultron, Canute and 3 others 6 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn-UK Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1568 Posted August 21, 2021 Looks like I'm going nowhere on Tuesday. 😀 BobG, Canute, hollowneck and 3 others 6 Glenn (UK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1569 Posted August 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Nirvana said: So tempting...... Chris, you are evil 😉😀 Have you given in yet? Resistance is futile. Canute, chris watton, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1570 Posted August 21, 2021 35 minutes ago, chris watton said: This book is the Bible of English fishing vessels! I ordered mine from an online second hand bookstore, based in California of all places! I'm seeing two similar titles of books by Edgar J. March: Sailing Trawlers published January 1, 1953 and Sailing Trawlers: The Story of Deep Sea Fishing With Longline and Trawl published June 1, 1981. Is the 1953 book the one you are referring to, Chris? KentM, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share #1571 Posted August 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, BobG said: I'm seeing two similar titles of books by Edgar J. March: Sailing Trawlers published January 1, 1953 and Sailing Trawlers: The Story of Deep Sea Fishing With Longline and Trawl published June 1, 1981. Is the 1953 book the one you are referring to, Chris? Just checked, it is the original 1953 copy, it even smells of 1953! BobG, Canute, KentM and 2 others 3 2 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1572 Posted August 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, BobG said: I'm seeing two similar titles of books by Edgar J. March: Sailing Trawlers published January 1, 1953 and Sailing Trawlers: The Story of Deep Sea Fishing With Longline and Trawl published June 1, 1981. Is the 1953 book the one you are referring to, Chris? Perhaps the 1981 title is a reprint? mtaylor, thibaultron and Canute 3 Erik K. Evens Architect and sailor Evens Architects Currently building: Brig Sloop HMS Flirt - Vanguard Models Completed: "Lady Isabella" Scottish Fishing Zulu - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Greig Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1573 Posted August 21, 2021 As a slower builder I est 1000 hrs for the Sphinx for me. That works out to about 65 p an hour of modelling enjoyment. That's now I rationalise cost. Shipping costs to the bottom of the world, that does hurt!! Fishing boats look very tempting. Happy modelling regards Malcolm mtaylor, Glenn-UK, Richard44 and 5 others 8 Completed builds; Caldercraft Mars; Vanguard Alert, Amati Revenge On the shelf; Vanguard DOK & the Sphinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelF Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1574 Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, glennard2523 said: Looks like I'm going nowhere on Tuesday. You'll have it built by Thursday! 😉 Glenn-UK, chris watton, thibaultron and 3 others 6 Cheers, Derek Current build: Duchess of Kingston On hold: HMS Winchelsea Previous builds: HMS Speedy, English Pinnace, Royal Yacht Caroline (gallery), Victory Cross-section (gallery), US Clipper Albatros, Red Dragon (years ago!) On the stocks: 18th Century Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1575 Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, EKE said: Perhaps the 1981 title is a reprint? I was wondering about that but I don't know how to tell. EKE, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE Posted August 21, 2021 Share #1576 Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BobG said: I was wondering about that but I don't know how to tell. I just checked my order, and it seems the one I bought is the 1981 “reprint” with the longer title. When it comes, we can share notes and compare. -E Edited August 21, 2021 by EKE Canute, KentM, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Erik K. Evens Architect and sailor Evens Architects Currently building: Brig Sloop HMS Flirt - Vanguard Models Completed: "Lady Isabella" Scottish Fishing Zulu - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thibaultron Posted August 22, 2021 Share #1577 Posted August 22, 2021 I found the book Hand, Reef and Steer by Tom Cunliffe To be a great resource. Canute, KentM, BobG and 2 others 5 Ron Thibault Shipjack Carrie Price from Pyro kit, with upgraded detailing and history. Going From A 2D Drawing To A 3D Printed Part Tutorial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted August 22, 2021 Share #1578 Posted August 22, 2021 9 hours ago, EKE said: I just checked my order, and it seems the one I bought is the 1981 “reprint” with the longer title. When it comes, we can share notes and compare. -E The copy I have is the third impression published in 1981, it only has 'Sailing Trawlers' on the spine, but the inside Title page includes the sub title The story of Deep-sea fishing with long line and trawl. My copy was published in Great Britain for David &Charles (Publishers) Ltd, and is published in the USA by David & Charles Inc. It is a 384 page book, and I don't think you need worry whether it is some sort of abridged version, it contains all the plans and rigging tables. It is in exactly the same layout as the companion volume Sailing drifters of which I have the original 1952 version. This volume is of great interest to those building the Fifie and Zulu models, and I used it extensively in my builds. B.E. mtaylor, BobG, Canute and 2 others 5 Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Thistle Posted August 22, 2021 Share #1579 Posted August 22, 2021 Hand, Reef and Steer by Tom Cunliffe Being relatively new to model boat and ship building I'm only now realising that Tom Cunliffe has made such a great contribution to sailing. Here he is, in 2010, with the first episode of 6 on the 'Boats that built Britain' series, The Reaper .... Richard hollowneck, Canute, chris watton and 6 others 7 2 Current build: U.S. Army K51 Radio Truck with K52 Trailer - 1944 - MiniArt - 1:35 Next build: PM Research Crank Shaper - late 1800s - 1:12 Part finished: HMS Flirt (MSE) - 1782 Vanguard Models - 1:64 Finished: Archer anti-tank gun Diorama - 1944 -Tamiya 1:35 : Churchill MkVII tank Diorama - Tamiya - 1:35 - 1944 : Sherman Firefly Tank Diorama - Revell - 1/76 - WWII : Humber MkII Scout Car Diorama - - Revell - 1:76 - WWII : PM Research Drill Press - 1895 - 1:12 : PM Research Milling Machine - late 1800s - 1:12 (est) : Stuart Engineering Lathe - late 1800s - 1:12 (est) : Stuart Beam model steam engine - 1770s onwards - 1:12 (est) : Stuart 10V model steam engine circa 1920s - 1:12 (est) : Lady Eleanor Fifie Circa 1900 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 : Dallas Cutter 1815 - Artesania Latina - 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted August 22, 2021 Share #1580 Posted August 22, 2021 That's an excellent video Richard, and of great value to the modeller. It informs both scale and use of the many fittings, as well as being of general interest. B.E. mtaylor, Canute, chris watton and 4 others 7 Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Thistle Posted August 22, 2021 Share #1581 Posted August 22, 2021 B.E., "...great value to the modeller. It informs both scale and use of the many fittings, as well as being of general interest." It certainly does. I now have a much better appreciation of the full sized Reaper and the models based on it. Also, I'm slowly working my way through the other 6 episodes ....'Episode 2 - Pts 1 & 2 Phoenix' explains square riggers in a very practical fashion ... I'm learning so much. Richard BobG, thibaultron, EKE and 2 others 5 Current build: U.S. Army K51 Radio Truck with K52 Trailer - 1944 - MiniArt - 1:35 Next build: PM Research Crank Shaper - late 1800s - 1:12 Part finished: HMS Flirt (MSE) - 1782 Vanguard Models - 1:64 Finished: Archer anti-tank gun Diorama - 1944 -Tamiya 1:35 : Churchill MkVII tank Diorama - Tamiya - 1:35 - 1944 : Sherman Firefly Tank Diorama - Revell - 1/76 - WWII : Humber MkII Scout Car Diorama - - Revell - 1:76 - WWII : PM Research Drill Press - 1895 - 1:12 : PM Research Milling Machine - late 1800s - 1:12 (est) : Stuart Engineering Lathe - late 1800s - 1:12 (est) : Stuart Beam model steam engine - 1770s onwards - 1:12 (est) : Stuart 10V model steam engine circa 1920s - 1:12 (est) : Lady Eleanor Fifie Circa 1900 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 : Dallas Cutter 1815 - Artesania Latina - 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE Posted August 22, 2021 Share #1582 Posted August 22, 2021 Thanks for posting the video, Richard. Excellent! I’ve bookmarked the whole series on YouTube. BobG, Rik Thistle, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Erik K. Evens Architect and sailor Evens Architects Currently building: Brig Sloop HMS Flirt - Vanguard Models Completed: "Lady Isabella" Scottish Fishing Zulu - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Pellett Posted August 22, 2021 Share #1583 Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) Rick, IMHO Tom Cunliffe’s Book, Hand Reef and Steer is a must read for anyone building a model of a small sailing craft. As an experienced sailor of traditionally rigged boats, he not only explains how each sail is rigged but how, all with a light touch of dry humor. The book’s focus is gaff rigged craft so would apply to anyone building a pilot cutter or sailing trawler. Roger Edited August 22, 2021 by Roger Pellett chris watton, BobG, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE Posted August 22, 2021 Share #1584 Posted August 22, 2021 That video was so good. It really gives you great insight into what the boats were like, and what it must have been like to be at sea in one of them. I also learned a lot about the rigging details…what I got right and what I got wrong on my Zulu. I grabbed a few screenshots as I was watching: JpR62, BobG, thibaultron and 4 others 7 Erik K. Evens Architect and sailor Evens Architects Currently building: Brig Sloop HMS Flirt - Vanguard Models Completed: "Lady Isabella" Scottish Fishing Zulu - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Thistle Posted August 22, 2021 Share #1585 Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) Erik, I think that because Tom is such a likeable character and knowledgable presenter it all helps make his content that bit special. As for having to go to sea in a Fifie (or similar) in bad weather to survive, well it sends a shiver down my spine. But needs must. Richard Edited August 22, 2021 by Rik Thistle Added link to Tom's website. thibaultron, BobG, EKE and 1 other 4 Current build: U.S. Army K51 Radio Truck with K52 Trailer - 1944 - MiniArt - 1:35 Next build: PM Research Crank Shaper - late 1800s - 1:12 Part finished: HMS Flirt (MSE) - 1782 Vanguard Models - 1:64 Finished: Archer anti-tank gun Diorama - 1944 -Tamiya 1:35 : Churchill MkVII tank Diorama - Tamiya - 1:35 - 1944 : Sherman Firefly Tank Diorama - Revell - 1/76 - WWII : Humber MkII Scout Car Diorama - - Revell - 1:76 - WWII : PM Research Drill Press - 1895 - 1:12 : PM Research Milling Machine - late 1800s - 1:12 (est) : Stuart Engineering Lathe - late 1800s - 1:12 (est) : Stuart Beam model steam engine - 1770s onwards - 1:12 (est) : Stuart 10V model steam engine circa 1920s - 1:12 (est) : Lady Eleanor Fifie Circa 1900 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 : Dallas Cutter 1815 - Artesania Latina - 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted August 22, 2021 Share #1586 Posted August 22, 2021 You all may have hijacked Chris’ product news log. Maybe a new thread on modeling sails on small craft…? mtaylor, thibaultron, James H and 1 other 4 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardG Posted August 22, 2021 Share #1587 Posted August 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, glbarlow said: You all may have hijacked Chris’ product news log. Maybe a new thread on modeling sails on small craft…? I know the software used here is 3rd party but a "Fork" function would be really helpful in these kinds of situations. Maybe one of the admins could request it be added. thibaultron and Canute 2 Richard Current Build: Early 19th Century US Revenue Cutter (Artesania Latina "Dallas" - messed about) Completed Build: Yakatabune - Japanese - Woody Joe mini Member: Nautical Research Guild & Midwest Model Shipwrights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE Posted August 22, 2021 Share #1588 Posted August 22, 2021 Sorry Chris! You just got me excited when I saw the new fishers. Canute, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Erik K. Evens Architect and sailor Evens Architects Currently building: Brig Sloop HMS Flirt - Vanguard Models Completed: "Lady Isabella" Scottish Fishing Zulu - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted August 25, 2021 Author Share #1589 Posted August 25, 2021 OK, all Sphinx kits are now gone until next month, of which I am working on now, laser cutting. Hats off to my wife, Chantelle, who managed to pack up 51 kits from Friday to Sunday - damn that was a lot of foam and bubble wrap! Today, I decided to remove the original version of the Alert kit from stock, and will scrap the remaining stock, including those white metal fittings. I did not like the fact that these early kits are not a reflection of the quality I want in my kits, so rather take the hit than offer them for sale. So Alert Version 1 is gone for good. hollowneck, mtaylor, Canute and 13 others 15 1 Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenD Posted August 25, 2021 Share #1590 Posted August 25, 2021 Chris you might want to check your site. The Alert is showing as $0.00 mtaylor, thibaultron and Canute 3 Ropes of Scale.com - Rope and cable for the scale modeler. Finished builds: HM Cutter Sherbourne - Caldercraft - 1:64 - 9th century longship - Falkonet - 1:72 Current builds: HMS Snake - Caldercraft - 1:64 - Tender Avos by BenD - Master Korabel - 1:72 - 19th Century Four-Oared Yawl by BenD - Falkonet - 1:24 scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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