mtaylor Posted November 21, 2014 Author #631 Posted November 21, 2014 Thanks for the likes and comments. At this point, I'm happy I have a stash of wood. I have the top transom shaped on one plane, a notch milled in to fit over the top of the deadwood and high hopes. As I tell my Admiral, high hopes and low expectations will keep you sane. I'm going to try bending it but we'll see. I may toss it and cut and shape the whole thing on the scroll saw and bench sander. cog, src, egkb and 4 others 7 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Jim Lad Posted November 21, 2014 #632 Posted November 21, 2014 Looking good so far, Mark. As for the top transom - one step at a time will get you there. John mtaylor and WackoWolf 2 Quote
BANYAN Posted November 21, 2014 #633 Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Hi Mark, won't bending it change the shape of the notch? Perhaps that is recoverable though as if it is in the centre there should not be much bend there? cheers Pat Edited November 21, 2014 by BANYAN mtaylor 1 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
WackoWolf Posted November 21, 2014 #634 Posted November 21, 2014 Like John just said, one step at a time, slow and easy. Remember you can always do the part over if you don't like it. Nice work, second time around is paying off bit time. Good luck. Have a nice Thanksgiving. Omega1234 and mtaylor 2 Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :)
cog Posted November 21, 2014 #635 Posted November 21, 2014 Bend it ... Did(/could) the old masters bend such a piece? Maybe better to find a nice piece of wood with a stunning flowing grain, like a 'trained' tree ...? mtaylor 1 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
Sjors Posted November 21, 2014 #636 Posted November 21, 2014 I now an old fashion way and I don't know if it is works for you..... Bend it on your knee...... But watch out, otherwise you broke your knee ! Sjors mtaylor 1 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre
Dan Vadas Posted November 21, 2014 #637 Posted November 21, 2014 I'm going to try bending it but we'll see. I may toss it and cut and shape the whole thing on the scroll saw and bench sander. I sense a redo coming up - don't even try to bend it, cut a new one from thicker timber and shape it in both planes. Much easier. Danny mtaylor, WackoWolf, cog and 4 others 7 Quote Cheers, Danny ________________________________________________________________________________ Current Build : Forced Retirement from Modelling due to Health Issues Build Logs : Norfolk Sloop HMS Vulture - (TFFM) HMS Vulture Cross-section 18 foot Cutter Concord Stagecoach 18th Century Longboat in a BOTTLE CARD Model Build Logs : Mosel Sydney Opera House (Schreiber-Bogen) WWII Mk. IX Spitfire (Halinski) Rolls Royce Merlin Engine Cape Byron Lighthouse (HMV) Stug 40 (Halinski) Yamaha MT-01 Yamaha YA-1 HMS Hood (Halinski) Bismarck (GPM) IJN Amatsukaze 1940 Destroyer (Halinski) HMVS Cerberus Mi24D Hind (Halinski) Bulgar Steam Locomotive - (Modelik) Tanker and Beer Wagons (Modelik) Flat Bed Wagon (Modelik) Peterbuilt Semi Trailer Fender Guitar Restorations for Others : King of the Mississippi HMS Victory Gallery : Norfolk Sloop, HMAT Supply, HMS Bounty, HMS Victory, Charles W. Morgan, 18' Cutter for HMS Vulture, HMS Vulture, HMS Vulture Cross-section, 18th Century Longboat in a Bottle Other Previous Builds : Le Mirage, Norske Love, King of the Mississippi
NenadM Posted November 21, 2014 #638 Posted November 21, 2014 Wood is patiente, Mark ... mtaylor and popeye the sailor 2 Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic
mtaylor Posted November 21, 2014 Author #639 Posted November 21, 2014 Thanks again for looking in and commenting or liking... Danny, You're right but not for the reason you think. I boiled it for about 30 minutes (literally....) and it bent. I got into the jig and when it dried , it warped. I thought that since old shipbuilders steamed and boiled planks etc. I could do it too. Oh well.. I'm digging through the wood pile to find something in the right size to cut. I'm out of large cherry but have some other types. Back to sawdust. texxn5, GLakie, egkb and 6 others 9 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
dgbot Posted November 22, 2014 #640 Posted November 22, 2014 I had a stern piece that I could not bend to shape, Too thick, it either broke or warped on me so I made up fixture and laminated several layers of cherry together and I used epoxy to hold it together. Cheating I know but I did not wish to take the time to do it the so called correct way. David B texxn5 and mtaylor 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
LFrankCPA Posted November 23, 2014 #641 Posted November 23, 2014 Mark, I built my transom out of some really hard wood. I spent all day filing the curved top to shape. Took a break and came back to put it in the vise to work the sides. I tightened it so tight in the vise that I straightened out the curve. I have enjoyed following your build. Good luck, Larry texxn5 and mtaylor 2 Quote
mtaylor Posted November 25, 2014 Author #642 Posted November 25, 2014 Thanks for the likes and comments. Finally... happy dance time again. At least a small one.. It took me several tries but the top transom is done and in place along with the stern timbers. I used some pen blanks as I didn't have any stock of cherry, boxwood, or pear thick enough. The final ended up in yellowheart. Thankfully, it will hidden by the planking. I cut the curve (which doesn't quite match the deck camber per the plans) on the top and bottom. Spot glued the waste back on and then the cut the curve of the stern. A soak in alcohol and the piece emierged. Notches were cut into the timber for the deadwood and frame timbers. Everything was then finessed into postion per the plans. The photos I contrast corrected helped a lot. Then the stern timbers were cut and matched to size and finessed into position. The further outboard the timbers go, the longer they get. I've checked and rechecked as these two bits are critical to the stern being right. I still have a lot more work in this area, but at least I know I won't be scrapping this one out because the stern was a hopeless cause. Just a small amount of fairing needs to be done before planking but I feel the rest of the framework should be added first to give it some strength. Those timbers are bit fragile as they are now. Here's the pics. Sorry, I forgot to take pictures of the process. As always, you click on them for enlargement. Sjors, alangr4, cabrapente and 41 others 44 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
shipmodel Posted November 25, 2014 #643 Posted November 25, 2014 Looks good, Mark. Smooth and symmetrical. Dan texxn5 and mtaylor 2 Quote Current build -Khufu solar barge, c. 2,560 BCE, a cross-section model at 1:10 scale Prior scratch builds - Royal yacht Henrietta, USS Monitor, USS Maine, HMS Pelican, SS America, SS Rex, SS Uruguay, Viking knarr, Gokstad ship, Thames River Skiff , USS Oneida, Swan 42 racing yacht, Queen Anne's Revenge (1710), SS Andrea Doria (1952), SS Michelangelo (1962) , Queen Anne's Revenge (2nd model) USS/SS Leviathan (1914), James B Colgate (1892), POW bone model (circa 1800) restoration, SS Mayaguez (c.1975) Prior kit builds - AL Dallas, Mamoli Bounty. Bluejacket America, North River Diligence, Airfix Sovereign of the Seas "Take big bites. Moderation is for monks." Robert A. Heinlein
NenadM Posted November 25, 2014 #644 Posted November 25, 2014 :) mtaylor 1 Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic
augie Posted November 25, 2014 #645 Posted November 25, 2014 I'm with Dan. And get some support in there for strength....ASAP mtaylor 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
JPett Posted November 25, 2014 #646 Posted November 25, 2014 Ahoy Mark Nice She is really starting to take shape I know it works for the shipwright and can effect spelling but what does this do for the wood A soak in alcohol and the piece emierged. mtaylor and CaptainSteve 2 Quote On with the Show.... J.Pett “If you're going through hell, keep going” (Winston Churchill) Current build: MS Rattlesnake (MS2028) http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/45-model-shipways-rattlesnake-ms2028-scale-164th/ Side Build: HMS Victory: Corel http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3709-hms-victory-by-jpett-corel-198/?p=104762 On the back burner: 1949 Chris Craft Racer: Dumas http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/939-1949-chris-craft-racer-by-jpett-dumas-kit-no-1702/ Sometime, but not sure when: Frigate Berlin: Corel http://www.corel-srl.it/pdf/berlin.pdf
CaptainSteve Posted November 25, 2014 #647 Posted November 25, 2014 Brilliant work (as always) with the transom ... ... and, I do believe, Congratulations are in order on your recent promotion !! mtaylor 1 Quote CaptainSteve Current Build: HM Granado Bomb Vessel (Caldercraft) My BathTub: Queen Anne Barge (Syren Ship Models) Log: Queen Anne Barge (an build log) Bounty Launch (Model Shipways) Log: Bounty Launch by CaptainSteve Apostol Felipe (OcCre) HMS Victory (Constructo) Check It Out: The Kit-Basher's Guide to The Galaxy Website: The Life & Boats of CaptainSteve
GLakie Posted November 25, 2014 #648 Posted November 25, 2014 Looks good Mark. Ahhh the sweet smell of success. I know the feeling. What I want to know is where you got that cool little happy-dancing emoticon? Cheers mtaylor 1 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
texxn5 Posted November 25, 2014 #649 Posted November 25, 2014 Very nice Mark, she's shaping up mtaylor 1 Quote John Current Current Builds: US Brig Niagara on my website FINISHED BUILD LOGS: New Bedford Whaleboat - page on my Morgan Website: http://www.charleswmorganmodel.com/whaleboat-build-log-by-john-fleming.html C.W. Morgan - Model Shipways 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1785-cw-morgan-by-texxn5-johnf-ms-164-kit/ USS Constitution - Revell 1:96 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1796-uss-constitution-by-texxn5-johnf-revell-196-kit/ website US Brig Niagara Model http://www.niagaramodel.com website Charles W Morgan Model http://www.charleswmorganmodel.com website PROXXON DISCOUNT TOOL STORE http://proxxontoolsdiscount.com
src Posted November 26, 2014 #650 Posted November 26, 2014 Mark, That looks like it was more than a little bit fiddly, well done! Sam mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise
mtaylor Posted November 26, 2014 Author #651 Posted November 26, 2014 Thank you for the "likes" and the comments. I'm with Dan. And get some support in there for strength....ASAP I'm working on it, Augie. Ahoy Mark Nice She is really starting to take shape I know it works for the shipwright and can effect spelling but what does this do for the wood It softens both the glue to remove the glued pieces and also softens the brain of the shipwright. Looks good Mark. Ahhh the sweet smell of success. I know the feeling. What I want to know is where you got that cool little happy-dancing emoticon? Cheers PM sent. Mark, That looks like it was more than a little bit fiddly, well done! Sam Fiddly I think is an understatement, Sam. popeye the sailor, GLakie and src 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
SJSoane Posted November 26, 2014 #652 Posted November 26, 2014 Hi Mark, The side view shows a sweet curve fore and aft and transversally. Nicely done! Mark mtaylor 1 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
Jim Lad Posted November 26, 2014 #653 Posted November 26, 2014 That's one of the more difficult bits out of the way, Mark - now on to the easy stuff! John mtaylor and popeye the sailor 2 Quote
dgbot Posted November 26, 2014 #654 Posted November 26, 2014 Nicely done I should call you master from now on. David B janos and mtaylor 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
cog Posted November 26, 2014 #655 Posted November 26, 2014 As predicted ... marvelous result Mark! (I knew you couldn't let me down ) mtaylor 1 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
BANYAN Posted November 26, 2014 #656 Posted November 26, 2014 So when do you get your 'journeyman' papers Mark - nice bit of work there! cheers Pat cog and mtaylor 2 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
cog Posted November 28, 2014 #657 Posted November 28, 2014 Pat, He isn't jet a journeyman!?!?!?!? You're pullin' me leg! BANYAN and mtaylor 2 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
mtaylor Posted November 29, 2014 Author #658 Posted November 29, 2014 Journeyman??? I'm just a mere apprentice still. After singing a chorus of "Alice's Restaurant" yesterday and a Thanksgiving meal that couldn't be beat... I got to spend time in the shipyard.. yippiee. I've cut, shaped, and installed two more timbers. Seems that all the curved timbers from port to starboard have different curves and one is canted at about 45 degree angle from the waterline. I'm not sure why. The two finally fitted are for the upper and lower sills for the lights. The top sill timber is also the last deck beam for the quarterdeck. The lower sill is hidden behind the planking. I still need to fair these two before I go much further. There's two more sets of timbers, one is for the counter and the other is for the taffrail to sit on. Anyway, here's the picture I took for my checking as the camera shows more than the human eye (to me anyway). I'm pleased with these two timbers and well turn to on fairing them in and trimming down the lower sill timber. themadchemist, russ, jaerschen and 28 others 31 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
src Posted November 29, 2014 #659 Posted November 29, 2014 Very impressive Mark even your piece of yellowheart is smiling! Sam mtaylor, WackoWolf and Mike Y 3 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise
WackoWolf Posted November 29, 2014 #660 Posted November 29, 2014 Nice. Your getting there a little at a time. Glad your happy and that you had a nice holiday. mtaylor 1 Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :)
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