Jim Lad Posted March 28, 2016 Share #1681 Posted March 28, 2016 Just catching up. Mark. Nice job with the rudder. John Canute, GLakie, Omega1234 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NenadM Posted March 28, 2016 Share #1682 Posted March 28, 2016 Big smiley !!! CaptainSteve, GLakie, Piet and 4 others 7 Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted March 28, 2016 Share #1683 Posted March 28, 2016 Again mate, just brilliant. A qiestion though, what are your plans on the side next to the transom? There's a gap which doesn't look finished yet. Havagooday my friend Greg Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share #1684 Posted March 28, 2016 Greg, I had to think about what you were asking.... the quarter galleries go there to hide the ugliness. We can't just have a doorway from the Great Cabin to the water can we? Or maybe I can forget the gallery and add a diving board.. hmm.... what would Popeye do??? GLakie, CaptainSteve, cog and 8 others 11 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted March 29, 2016 Share #1685 Posted March 29, 2016 A diving board sounds great! Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piet Posted March 29, 2016 Share #1686 Posted March 29, 2016 Very, VERY nice work Mark. Cheers, CaptainSteve, cog, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted March 29, 2016 Share #1687 Posted March 29, 2016 Or maybe I can forget the gallery and add a diving board.. hmm.... what would Popeye do??? That would give new meaning to Walking The Plank. cog, CaptainSteve, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted March 29, 2016 Share #1688 Posted March 29, 2016 Looks really good Mark; good luck with the top-down approach to the collar. cheers Pat Elijah, CaptainSteve, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hime Posted March 29, 2016 Share #1689 Posted March 29, 2016 Quite lovely Mark, you've come a long way Bill Canute, WackoWolf, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Passion is Patience...and I am a carpenter in any scale. Current build; Endurance - 1:70 scale, Occre Current build; H.M.S. Surprise - 1796, 1:48 A L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giampieroricci Posted March 29, 2016 Share #1690 Posted March 29, 2016 Exscuse me, Mark.... why did you let all that space for pintles rudder? Moreover, the pintles should be within the space, so the rudder remains in the stern straight wire; The rudder seems too far from the stern cog, CaptainSteve, Piet and 12 others 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted March 29, 2016 Share #1691 Posted March 29, 2016 I think she looks absolutely splendid Mark. I'm sure with a little perseverance you'll find your answer to the rudder collar, there is a solution out there somewhere. Not too sure going in from the top is the right answer though, unless it's just to get you over the top of the rudder post. Have you tried the domestic front, some bread or pastry dough, chewed chewing gum or something similar, off the wall I know but may work. Good luck mate. Be Good mobbsie Elijah, GLakie, CaptainSteve and 5 others 8 Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share #1692 Posted March 29, 2016 Thanks for the likes and comments. Exscuse me, Mark.... why did you let all that space for pintles rudder? post-76-0-59032900-1459190396.jpg Moreover, the pintles should be within the space, so the rudder remains in the stern straight wire; The rudder seems too far from the stern post-7696-0-89789700-1458849335.jpg That's what I had on the plans for cutting the rudder... HIndsight...it's wrong. Also, I used the wrong size pintle and cudgeon material. I'm adding this to my "lessons learned". I take another look and see if I can fix it although without destroying the stern planking, I'm not sure. Bobstrake, CaptainSteve, Piet and 12 others 15 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted March 29, 2016 Share #1693 Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) G'day Mark Life is a learning curve. I don't know about you and all our family on this great forum, but I learn something every day. That way we grow stronger and if I dare to say, wiser Edited March 29, 2016 by Greg the peg leg sailor Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponto Posted March 29, 2016 Share #1694 Posted March 29, 2016 "...learning curve"....... you got that right---- usually one step forward and two back in my case.........LOL j Omega1234, Elijah, CaptainSteve and 3 others 6 Quote Built & De-Commissioned: HMS Endeavour (Corel), HMS Unicorn (Corel), Abandoned: HMS Bounty (AL) Completed : Wappen Von Hamburg (Corel), Le Renommee (Euromodel)... on hold Current WIP: Berlin by Corel On Shelf: HMS Bounty (Billings), Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 29, 2016 Author Share #1695 Posted March 29, 2016 Well... I did the self-beating and now that I've calmed myself down, I took a long hard look. No excuses. It's not right. So... once again.. DE-CONSTRUCTION TIME. Stay tuned. EJ_L, JesseLee, Elijah and 20 others 23 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted March 30, 2016 Share #1696 Posted March 30, 2016 Good luck Mark! CaptainSteve, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 4 others 7 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted March 30, 2016 Share #1697 Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) Hi Mark. I really don't know what to say....apart from....Noooooooooo! A lesson learned, is a lesson learned, however; so, I guess as harsh as it sounds, you have to be happy with it. We're all here to support, watch and admire. Cheers and all the best! Patrick Edited March 30, 2016 by Omega1234 mtaylor, robin b, Piet and 12 others 15 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted March 30, 2016 Share #1698 Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) Mark, You don't have to do the same as me. Starting all over again every time ! But I'm happy that I'am not alone in this Sjors Edited March 31, 2016 by Sjors Piet, Ray1981, GLakie and 6 others 9 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Posted March 30, 2016 Share #1699 Posted March 30, 2016 You'll be happier with the end product though otherwise you would always 'see' that even if everyone else doesn't. I'm currently remaking rising wood sections around 20 times each piece and no one will even see those. Bet ship modellers would like hair vests as we seem to like self punishment.. Canute, Elijah, popeye the sailor and 6 others 9 Quote ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted March 30, 2016 Share #1700 Posted March 30, 2016 Life's a bitch, Mark, and it makes modelling from time to time a real unpleasant challenge ... but the rewards when successful can be astronomical ... I am certain you feel relieved after resolving this setback. I wish you lots of strength. You're in my thoughts. If you need someone to beat, just popover Cheers Omega1234, Piet, Canute and 6 others 9 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 30, 2016 Author Share #1701 Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) I agree that sometimes we're gluttons for punishment. And actually I do like knowing when I've messed up as it points out where my skills/attention/etc need improving. Anyway, destruction went well. Just holes in the planking to fill. It seems that nothing really sticks to Wipe-on-Poly and it cleaned up nicely. I've sanded those areas down to bare wood, made a new cutting template and will be proceeding (and remembering to take photos) on the morrow. And I'll get the rudder coat on this time. Edited March 30, 2016 by mtaylor Barbossa, JesseLee, slow2cool and 17 others 20 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NenadM Posted March 30, 2016 Share #1702 Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) It seems that "re-do MSW Club" keeps doors wide open this days, Mark Be careful inside my friend ... find your Dragon, Daenerys Targaryen, it is a house of Undying ("undying" in any mean) ... and keep in mind Daenerys quote " If I look back, I am lost" BTW, I gave to visit eye doctor - I can not see any mistake !!! Edited March 30, 2016 by Nenad cog, GLakie, WackoWolf and 11 others 14 Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted March 30, 2016 Share #1703 Posted March 30, 2016 Well done Mark, the hard part is over - making the decision to re-do! robin b, Ray1981, cog and 8 others 11 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted March 30, 2016 Share #1704 Posted March 30, 2016 Hi Mark. I really don't know what to say....apart from....Noooooooooo! A lesson learned, is a lesson learned, however; so, I guess as harsh as it sounds, you have to be happy with it. We're all here to support, watch and admire. Cheers and all the best! Patrick I can hear Noooooooooo from allover the world. There is 1 thing I hate: the word "re-do"! Let's call it "enhancement" instead. Its sounds a lot better. Good luck Mark on the enhancement of the rudder! Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted March 30, 2016 Share #1705 Posted March 30, 2016 No words of wisdom or profound statements from me Mark, just a whole lot of encouragement mate. Be Good mobbsie Jack12477, Kevin, CaptainSteve and 10 others 13 Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted March 30, 2016 Share #1706 Posted March 30, 2016 it's never any fun Mark I'm pull'in for ya too GLakie, CaptainSteve, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted March 30, 2016 Share #1707 Posted March 30, 2016 Hang in there, brother. The average Joe won't know you re-did the rudder, but deep in your soul, you'll know, even five years from now. Jack12477, Piet, cog and 7 others 10 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 30, 2016 Author Share #1708 Posted March 30, 2016 Thanks for the feedback and support.. it means a lot and shows what we have at MSW. It seems that "re-do MSW Club" keeps doors wide open this days, Mark Be careful inside my friend ... find your Dragon, Daenerys Targaryen, it is a house of Undying ("undying" in any mean) ... and keep in mind Daenerys quote " If I look back, I am lost" BTW, I gave to visit eye doctor - I can not see any mistake !!! I guess I need to connect the TV and watch Game of Thrones... I won't look back as I don't want to know what's gaining on me (Famous baseball player quote). Well done Mark, the hard part is over - making the decision to re-do! The decision was easy Grant. The finding the materials is/was an issue. Brass tube and rods the right size, Some more boxwood... I've gathered things up and starting to make way. I can hear Noooooooooo from allover the world.There is 1 thing I hate: the word "re-do"! Let's call it "enhancement" instead. Its sounds a lot better.Good luck Mark on the enhancement of the rudder! You don't need luck, we are all behind you 100%.HavagoodayGreg Let's go back to when we were kids.... Do-Over!!!!!!! Hang in there, brother. The average Joe won't know you re-did the rudder, but deep in your soul, you'll know, even five years from now. I quite agree, Ken. We need to make ourselves happy first. UpstateNY, Jack12477, src and 11 others 14 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piet Posted April 1, 2016 Share #1709 Posted April 1, 2016 A brave decision, a bold decision but a wise decision. Your redo will be perfect, making the model perfect. Most, if not all of us had to go through a redo or two or more and those who haven't experienced it yet, will. Cheers, GLakie, JesseLee, Omega1234 and 8 others 11 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Maguire Posted April 1, 2016 Share #1710 Posted April 1, 2016 Mark, I am late to your party but request permission to come aboard. I've been through the thread from start to present and it reads like a text book. Thank your for your thorough documentation. I can see many lessons that are going to be valuable to me. Respectfully, John Maguire cog, mtaylor, Omega1234 and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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