HMS ROYAL KATHERINE 1664 by Doris - 1/55 - CARD

[KeithAug]

TrueType amazing Doris. It’s a pleasure to see your work.

[BETAQDAVE]

    I have to keep realizing that your model is made with CARD!!!!

    With this pandemic going on right now, I'm sure we would all like to know how you and yours are doing.

[michaelpsutton2]

Just astounding work.

 

[mtaylor]

Thank you for showing us the update, Doris.   Beautiful...  beyond beautiful.

[Jeronimo]

Hello Doris.

Beautiful work.

Karl

[Hubac's Historian]

She’s a Van de Velde drawing come to life, Doris!  You really should consider a French ship for your next project, in order to maximize your sculpture talents.  If anyone can do justice to the Monarque, it would be you.

[DORIS]

Hello dear friends, 
I am honoured reading your comments and responses to my work. I do appreciate them a lot. Thank you all very much. 

Well, I would like to continue and finish this model in maximum historical accuracy,  but I am not sure if I manage it. The rigging is quite complicated and I was not succesful to find plenty of details in available books. Although I have commercial plan of this ship, there are a lot of mistakes and nonsense, which I cannot apply to my model in any case. I do not want to give up although it would be possible to leave the model without rigging and finish the build even at this stage.

Please, if you have any drawings or documents suitable for English ships from the second half of the 17th century, especially the rigging, please share them here. It can help not only me but also other people interested in realistic design of such ships. I will be very grateful for that.
 

 

Yesterday I added remaining ropes to gunport lids on the upper deck and quarterdeck; the ropes in the middle/open section of the upper deck will be tied later.

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by DORIS

[Hubac's Historian]

It would surprise me, if you did not have these books in your collection, but I will go-ahead and mention them, just in case:

Anderson is the Godfather of knowledge on this subject.  While his book is a little more primitive, in terms of illustrations, he provides clear insight into the why and wherefore of all the rigging elements, as well as fundamental Continental differences.

 

Lees is a much drier, technical read, but the book is absolutely loaded with beautiful, clear photographs.

 

These books, together, are as reliable a cross-reference on rigging English ships like the Katherine as you could ever hope to find.  No one could ever credibly fault you for following their guidance.  I might say that this is my personal opinion, but it is actually a matter of fact.

 

I wish you the best, however you choose to proceed.

[DORIS]

Hubac's Historian: Hello and thank you for the recommendation. I have these books at home, they are very helpful but in some ways I find it very difficult to understand technical English. Despite a lot of quality drawings it is a pity that some important things are only mentioned or described in text, but there are not illustrative drawings of them, expecially detailed daigrams of a whole rope from its beginning to the end. Therefore it is very difficul for me to understand where and how it should be tied.

Today I have finished rest pieces of decoration. I find inspiration mainly in museum models and Van de Velde drawings.

 

[DORIS]

[GRAVIOU Francis]

Vraiment Superbe ton vaisseau Doris

 

Francis

[BobG]

Stunning and inspirational as usual!

 

Your rigging is beautifully done also. What kind of glue do you use on your ropes and seizings? Thank you.

Edited March 28, 2020 by BobG

[amateur]

Beautifull work!

and every time I keep looking at the flag. That flag looks as if it is really moving in the wind.

 

Jan

[Hubac's Historian]

Well, certainly I can appreciate the difficulty you describe, as when I’m reading all of these French language texts, and the technical descriptions often don’t translate well to English.

 

Well, I have another book for you that may be a good visual guide for you:

In particular, this section concerning the Royal James of 1671 is well described and beautifully photographed.  The James is a few years later than the Katherine, but I would think the rig would be largely the same.

I few years ago, I took a bunch of pictures of this model while on a trip to Washington D.C.  If you P.M. your email address to me, I will send you the pictures that I have.

 

I hope this is helpful.

[DORIS]

Hello dear friends,

and thank you very much for your comments and likes. I am pleased, you enjoyed pics from the progress.

On 3/28/2020 at 7:20 PM, BobG said:

.......Your rigging is beautifully done also. What kind of glue do you use on your ropes and seizings? Thank you.

I use mainly water-based - dispersion glue, in our country known as "Herkules" :

https://www.google.com/search?q=lepidlo+herkules&sxsrf=ALeKk02EIjI_jrGWdKcG_WO5JPyXDsvNtg:1585674617926&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=JlezZe3F3Bel4M%3A%2C0luYouwhWcn-EM%2C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kRDKInHGaIkIlgLbCZdDJkMEL_y9w&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwibsNKimsXoAhXSoVwKHYIWAH0Q9QEwAXoECAoQEA

 

or Ethyl Cyanoacrylate super glue as well.:

https://www.mpmshop.cz/bolt-medium

 

The ropes are sometimes shaped and "glued" even with a matt clear varnish.

 

On 3/28/2020 at 7:27 PM, amateur said:

Beautifull work!

and every time I keep looking at the flag. That flag looks as if it is really moving in the wind.

 

Jan

I tried to create realistic flag, so I spent quite much time to look for best technology, how to do. Finally I used clear varnish (Tamiya TS-80) and during drying it was shaped exactly as I needed. The flag then remains relatively stiff and does not change its shape.

 

On 3/28/2020 at 7:47 PM, Hubac's Historian said:

......

I few years ago, I took a bunch of pictures of this model while on a trip to Washington D.C.  If you P.M. your email address to me, I will send you the pictures that I have.

 

I hope this is helpful.

 

Thank you for your help and great inspiration. I do appreciate your kind words, they mean a lot for me. 

 

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I know it will be really challenging to complete this model with realistic rigging, but as two friends have written to me, it is important to find a way to proceed with the rigging, and to take the model to completion.
Some years ago I faced a similar challenge when I was building Sovereign of the Seas, and although it was really hard, it was worth the effort. 
Yesterday, I took several pictures of both ships together. I wish I would complete the Royal Katherine as successful as the Sovereign of the Seas model.

 

 

So, it is time to study and look for the right solutions.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 31, 2020 by DORIS

[mcpwilk]

Staggering quality - a true artist and mastercraftswoman.

 

Mike

[druxey]

I'm sure that you will complete her rigging to the same standard - or even better!

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

is is beyond fantastic ! thank you for showing it.  

[dvm27]

Really, Doris, there's nothing you can't do. If you don't rig R.K. it can only be because rigging may not get your creative juices flowing like creating beautiful sculptures.

[Retired guy]

Wow Absolutely brilliant Doris, have watched your videos of how you have created your decorations such dedications on getting pieces right.

 

Stay safe

Regards

Richard  

[VonHoldinghausen]

Im truly out of words. Those I find are not enough...

[English Rebel]

On 1/31/2019 at 7:10 PM, DORIS said:

Final preparation.....😎

 

 

The smaller cannon (demi-culverin drake) is from the upper deck of my Sovereign of the Seas  -  also a scratch-build and made out of card, but in a scale 1/90:

 

 

 

 

Just because yours is bigger than mine, don't mean that your better.

Sorry - just had to. lol

Alan

[English Rebel]

Doris

I happened to see your post to another thread and saw that you were building a ship out of card, so I had to follow your thread. Your are indeed a master craftswomen and your skill and attention to detail is, in my opinion, second to none. Congratulations on an epic build.

 

I had the pleasure if visiting the beautiful city of Prague one time. I was living in England and working in Warsaw in the mid-ninties. I was flying Lot Airlines from London to Warsaw and on final approach the captain told us, without explanation, that we were going to Prague. I didn't care what the reason was as I thoroughly enjoyed my one day and one night there. I was sorry that it wasn't longer.

Alan

 

Hope the translation is okay.

 

Doris
Náhodou jsem viděl váš příspěvek do jiného vlákna a viděl jsem, že stavíte loď z karty, takže jsem musel sledovat vaše vlákno. Jste skutečně mistrovskými řemeslníky a vaše dovednost a pozornost k detailům jsou podle mého názoru na špičkové úrovni. Gratulujeme k epické stavbě.

Měl jsem to potěšení, když jsem jednou navštívil krásné město Praha. Bydlel jsem v Anglii a pracoval jsem ve Varšavě v polovině devadesátých let. Letěl jsem Lot Airlines z Londýna do Varšavy a při posledním přístupu nám kapitán bez vysvětlení řekl, že jdeme do Prahy. Nezajímalo mě, proč to bylo, protože jsem si tu jeden den a jednu noc opravdu užil. Bylo mi líto, že to nebylo déle.
Alan

 

PS. Doufám, že vaši ptáci nepoužívají lodní stožáry na okouna. lol

[English Rebel]

I forgot to compliment you on all of the adornments that you made. I can't comprehend why they would add so many carvings on what is a man of war fighting ship. 

Alan

 

Zapomněl jsem tě pochválit za všechna ta ozdoba, kterou jsi udělal. Nechápu, proč by přidali tolik řezbářství na to, co je válečným mužem.
Alan

[BETAQDAVE]

    Hello Doris.  I hope you and yours are weathering this pandemic any better than we are over here.  One can only pray that by opening things up again so soon over here with few guidelines to keep it under “control”, that we will not experience another wave that can easily get out of hand again.   

    On a lighter note, I have a question on how you handle the “ironwork” on your models, such as the deadeye strops and chain plates as shown back on post #817.  I know you work primarily with card, modeling clay and wood, but paper has its limits on items like those which are put under a lot of strain from the rigging.  I personally have difficulty both with shaping and soldering metal components.  Do you purchase those items from others, or do you make your own?  I haven’t come across any of the techniques that you employ to handle such items in your logs and wonder how you handle them.

[Hubac's Historian]

This is also a question of great interest to me.

[DORIS]

Hello everybody,
thank you for your comments and support. These days I continue with masting and rigging of the model. Plenty of details are created according to these two books : Lees - The masting and rigging of English ships of war (1625 -1860)  and Anderson R.C. The Rigging of Ships 1600-1720.
I would like to build my model in the most realistic form as possible.

 

On 5/22/2020 at 8:38 PM, BETAQDAVE said:

    .....

    On a lighter note, I have a question on how you handle the “ironwork” on your models, such as the deadeye strops and chain plates as shown back on post #817.  I know you work primarily with card, modeling clay and wood, but paper has its limits on items like those which are put under a lot of strain from the rigging.  I personally have difficulty both with shaping and soldering metal components.  Do you purchase those items from others, or do you make your own?  I haven’t come across any of the techniques that you employ to handle such items in your logs and wonder how you handle them.

Well, I use copper or brass wires coated with black paint and shape them with various tweezers. More complicated parts are made from several parts, which I assemble together then. Here is one of the wires which I use:

https://www.hismodel.com/articles-detail-1672

 

Moreover, I also use photo etched parts - mainly for tiny details. They are high quality and relatively strong. I purchase them here together with other accessories:

 

https://www.hismodel.com/articles-detail-351

https://www.hismodel.com/articles-category-20

 

 

And finally, here are photos from progress on the model....

First part of rigging on cannons and finished doors on bulkheads:

[amateur]

Hi Doris,

 

Thanks for the update!

Stunning quality as ever....

 

Jan Dirk

[DORIS]

Masts, their parts and all yards are completely handmade. The biggest yard is more than 50 cm long.

Here are some drawings from Endsor's book dedicated to Lenox, from which I took dimensions and proportions of masts and yards and adapted them for my RK.

[DORIS]

And this is how the model should look with sails, I'll probably use the second version: