DelF Posted July 31, 2021 #1411 Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gregory said: The acetate is very nice 2 hours ago, glbarlow said: Not many, if any kit providers include one stand let alone two. I agree. I wasn't sure about the acetate stand for Speedy, but I've been looking at display options and may decide to mount her on a mirror to show off the copper bottom. The clear stand is ideal for this. Here's a test shot I took on a mirrored table: The brass nameplate looks particularly good on the acetate. Edited July 31, 2021 by DelF thibaultron, Mark P, scrubbyj427 and 25 others 25 3 Cheers, Derek Current build: Duchess of Kingston On hold: HMS Winchelsea Previous builds: HMS Speedy, English Pinnace, Royal Yacht Caroline (gallery), Victory Cross-section (gallery), US Clipper Albatros, Red Dragon (years ago!) On the stocks: 18th Century Longboat
chris watton Posted July 31, 2021 Author #1412 Posted July 31, 2021 That looks fantastic, Derek! I got the idea of using a clear material for the stand when looking through the AOTS book of Alert. There's a picture showing a contemporary model on a clear stand and I thought that would be cool if I could do the same, as I don't think any other mainstream kits do this. They are also a lot less intrusive, as the whole hull can still be seen. The MDF cradle is a throwaway item, to be discarded once the model is complete. Another little note on why stands/cradles are so important to be included (in my opinion), is that they give the model the correct stance/angle for marking the waterline. Out of the 9 kits I have thus far developed (including the two I am doing now), only one, the Sphinx has the waterline more or less parallel to the keel. The other 8 do not. Each cradle needs to be designed with each unique angle in mind - off the shelf turned columns just wouldn't do. thibaultron, JeffT, Viggen and 10 others 13 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Gregory Posted July 31, 2021 #1413 Posted July 31, 2021 Once again Chris, my comments were not questioning the quality of your work. I just found the MDF cradle to look rather incongruous in the context of the box art.. mtaylor, glbarlow, Old Collingwood and 3 others 6 “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon
glbarlow Posted July 31, 2021 #1414 Posted July 31, 2021 I've always mounted my models with brass pedestals on a walnut base. I'll give the acetate a try for Flirt, it is nice looking. However I'll have to glue it in so my grandson doesn't think this is the model, "when can I play with one that has guns?" he gets to play with. 😄 Good to know about the waterline, I hadn't thought about that. thibaultron, mtaylor, Canute and 3 others 6 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose
Blue Ensign Posted July 31, 2021 #1415 Posted July 31, 2021 I’ve grown to like Chris’s clear stands, used them on all three of my Vanguard models. They are stylish and don’t detract from the model. I’ve never favoured the pedestals thro’ the keel approach, preferring keel blocks, but that’s just my preference. B.E. thibaultron, mtaylor, Old Collingwood and 7 others 10 Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
Glenn-UK Posted August 1, 2021 #1416 Posted August 1, 2021 On 7/31/2021 at 9:14 AM, chris watton said: I think three weeks. 3 weeks is perfect. I have a 1 week family staycation in Wales starting next saturday, so a kit release after my return is ideal. hollowneck, Canute, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Glenn (UK)
BobG Posted August 2, 2021 #1417 Posted August 2, 2021 On 7/31/2021 at 1:14 AM, chris watton said: I could get plans and manual printed right now, but prefer to wait until the model is complete Will this model be fully rigged? mtaylor, Canute and thibaultron 3 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
James H Posted August 2, 2021 #1418 Posted August 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, BobG said: Will this model be fully rigged? Yes, fully masted and rigged as per other VM kits. I'm fresh back from hols only 2hrs ago and already working on the prototype again. Neill, Canute, Rustyj and 11 others 9 2 3 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: Zip, nada! On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
Glenn-UK Posted August 2, 2021 #1419 Posted August 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, James H said: Yes, fully masted and rigged as per other VM kits. I'm fresh back from hols only 2hrs ago and already working on the prototype again. Did you not think to take the prototype on holiday with you🤣 BenD, chris watton, Richard44 and 3 others 2 4 Glenn (UK)
chris watton Posted August 2, 2021 Author #1420 Posted August 2, 2021 (edited) Yes, Sphinx is rigged - all standing rigging, and running rigging has all yard associated rig, tie, jeers, lifts and braces. Other rig included sheets, clew's and tacks if you want to go that far. For future reference, I have never designed a period ship kit that does not include rigging. For Sphinx, there are 8 50x70cm plan sheets dedicated to masts and rig, plus quite a few pages in the manual showing mast and yard assembly. Edited August 2, 2021 by chris watton druxey, hollowneck, Old Collingwood and 11 others 11 3 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Kevin Posted August 2, 2021 #1421 Posted August 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, James H said: Yes, fully masted and rigged as per other VM kits. I'm fresh back from hols only 2hrs ago and already working on the prototype again. hope you had a nice holinobs mtaylor, Old Collingwood and Canute 3 Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat
James H Posted August 2, 2021 #1422 Posted August 2, 2021 3 hours ago, Kevin said: hope you had a nice holinobs Way too much rich food, so I need to trim down a little. With regards to the Sphinx stand, this is the one supplied. I left the blue film on for assembly shots, but there will be pics of it without that film when done. Old Collingwood, Jonny 007, BenD and 14 others 16 1 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: Zip, nada! On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
Ian B Posted August 3, 2021 #1423 Posted August 3, 2021 I always make a clear stand for all my models, the glass shelves help too.... will have one when finished.. Jonny 007, GrandpaPhil, jpalmer1970 and 12 others 15 HMAV Bounty 'Billings' completed ⛵ HMS Cheerful - Syren-Chuck' completed Steam Pinnace 199 'Billings bashed' - completed ⚓ HMS Ledbury F30 --White Ensign -completed 😎 HMS Vanguard 'Victory models'-- completed Bismarck Amati 1/200 --underway 👍
uss frolick Posted August 3, 2021 #1424 Posted August 3, 2021 24 pounder and 12 pounder long guns, with eighteen 42 pounder carronades? I bet I know what you’re up to, Sir Edward Pellew! thibaultron, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5
chris watton Posted August 3, 2021 Author #1425 Posted August 3, 2021 Am always tempted do a Caledonia or Commerce de Marseille, just to see the look on my wife's face as the skeletal structure grows on the dining room table... mtaylor, BenD, thibaultron and 11 others 8 6 Vanguard Models on Facebook
James H Posted August 6, 2021 #1426 Posted August 6, 2021 In a week, and the 35 available Sphinx for pre-order are now down to EIGHT LEFT!!! 😁 Incredible! DelF, ccoyle, Jonny 007 and 14 others 16 1 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: Zip, nada! On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
chris watton Posted August 6, 2021 Author #1427 Posted August 6, 2021 We are hoping to have the manual on the website soon (Sphinx page), all plans, manual and box art complete and with printers. The manual is so large that we have had to increase the upload limits on the server! Rik Thistle, Canute, Old Collingwood and 6 others 9 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Glenn-UK Posted August 6, 2021 #1428 Posted August 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, chris watton said: We are hoping to have the manual on the website soon Looking forward to downloading the manual. Great news everything is now with the printers. Canute, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Glenn (UK)
Blue Ensign Posted August 6, 2021 #1429 Posted August 6, 2021 9 minutes ago, James H said: In a week, and the 35 available Sphinx for pre-order are now down to EIGHT LEFT!!! 😁 Incredible! That's great news for Chris, providing a much welcome return on his outlay in producing this rather wonderful kit. 👍 B.E. Canute, ccoyle, Rik Thistle and 8 others 11 Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
Glenn-UK Posted August 6, 2021 #1430 Posted August 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, James H said: In a week, and the 35 available Sphinx for pre-order are now down to EIGHT LEFT!!! 😁 Incredible! This is testament to Chris's excellent design work and the stunning prototype model built by James. Canute, chris watton, Old Collingwood and 5 others 8 Glenn (UK)
BenD Posted August 6, 2021 #1431 Posted August 6, 2021 8 minutes ago, James H said: In a week, and the 35 available Sphinx for pre-order are now down to EIGHT LEFT!!! 😁 Yeah that is incredible. It is one of the best looking frigates on the market to date, In my opinion anyway. Chris, Is your house big enough for the production of all this stuff? I only make rope and I feels like I've invaded most of my apparent 😆. mtaylor, thibaultron, chris watton and 2 others 5 Ropes of Scale.com - Rope and cable for the scale modeler. Finished builds: HM Cutter Sherbourne - Caldercraft - 1:64 - 9th century longship - Falkonet - 1:72 Current builds: HMS Snake - Caldercraft - 1:64 - Tender Avos by BenD - Master Korabel - 1:72 - 19th Century Four-Oared Yawl by BenD - Falkonet - 1:24 scale
chris watton Posted August 6, 2021 Author #1432 Posted August 6, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BenD said: Chris, Is your house big enough for the production of all this stuff? I only make rope and I feels like I've invaded most of my apparent 😆. No, it's a nightmare right now, I only have the smallest of surfaces left to do work on my two new developments, a little corner of the dining room table! Luckily, the two I am working on are quite small, as you can see in these pics of Nisha, the smallest! We have had a quote from some builders to convert our large double garage into a proper unit. Supposed to start this next month, but knowing builders, they probably won't show up... I have ordered more materials (pear sheet) to make a new batch of kits in October/November time Edited August 6, 2021 by chris watton VTHokiEE, Rik Thistle, longshanks and 21 others 23 1 Vanguard Models on Facebook
James H Posted August 6, 2021 #1433 Posted August 6, 2021 Ok, the HMS Sphinx Manual is now available for download. About 950 photos. This has been intense! https://vanguardmodels.co.uk/product/hms-sphinx-1775/ Canute, Richard44, Wahka_est and 16 others 19 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: Zip, nada! On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
Glenn-UK Posted August 6, 2021 #1434 Posted August 6, 2021 Downloaded, that's my holiday reading for next week sorted. Many thanks Rustyj, mtaylor, Old Collingwood and 4 others 7 Glenn (UK)
James H Posted August 6, 2021 #1435 Posted August 6, 2021 16 minutes ago, glennard2523 said: Downloaded, that's my holiday reading for next week sorted. Many thanks You're gonna need it! @chris watton told me the printer says that a complete set of plans and manual alone will be 1.7kg 😱 BobG, thibaultron, mtaylor and 8 others 5 6 SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: Zip, nada! On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. HMS Harpy - 1796 (production prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48
mtaylor Posted August 7, 2021 #1436 Posted August 7, 2021 This is sooooo tempting me especially at the scale it is. I guess I'll have to spend some serious time looking at the budget. I'd love to have an English ship in the display area. Ryland Craze, Canute, JeffT and 4 others 7 Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
BobG Posted August 7, 2021 #1437 Posted August 7, 2021 2 hours ago, mtaylor said: This is sooooo tempting me especially at the scale it is. I guess I'll have to spend some serious time looking at the budget. Go for it, Mark...we can't take it with us! Rik Thistle, thibaultron, DelF and 5 others 8 Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Kevin Posted August 7, 2021 #1438 Posted August 7, 2021 to many projects on the go, But so very Very tempted like to tale the opportunity to say what a great looking kit and thank you @chris watton, and so very well presented by @James H chris watton, thibaultron, Old Collingwood and 3 others 6 Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat
DelF Posted August 7, 2021 #1439 Posted August 7, 2021 Just downloaded and skim-read the manual chris watton, Ryland Craze, mtaylor and 5 others 7 1 Cheers, Derek Current build: Duchess of Kingston On hold: HMS Winchelsea Previous builds: HMS Speedy, English Pinnace, Royal Yacht Caroline (gallery), Victory Cross-section (gallery), US Clipper Albatros, Red Dragon (years ago!) On the stocks: 18th Century Longboat
Glenn-UK Posted August 7, 2021 #1440 Posted August 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, DelF said: Just downloaded and skim-read the manual Ditto. Interesting to see that the first planking at stern was finished short of the stern post which avoids sanding the false keel thinner with a beading line. Old Collingwood, Canute, thibaultron and 3 others 6 Glenn (UK)
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