marktiedens Posted September 27, 2019 Share #1 Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) Hi everyone - this will be my build of the Vanguard by Model Shipways. This kit was made by Model Shipways for a short time under license from Amati. Included in the kit are 20 plan sheets,27 laser cut wood sheets of various woods,11 sheets of etched brass,along with all the usual fittings,plus a lot of cast metal items. All the rigging line is on Mantua spools & looks to be of decent quality,although I may replace some of it with Syren rope depending on the application. The rigging blocks look to be above average quality,but I will still probably use Syren blocks. Copper tape is provided for coppering the hull rather than individual copper plates. Also,all the guns are cast metal instead of turned brass. As I understand,the Amati version has the gun carriages made of metal but my kit provides wood carriages. There is a LOT of strip wood plus a large handful of walnut dowels. This appears to be a high quality kit & should be fun to build! A few pics of the contents....... Mark P.S. - please let me know if the link below works........took me about 6 tries Edited September 27, 2019 by marktiedens James H, fmodajr, J11 and 12 others 15 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David56 Posted September 27, 2019 Share #2 Posted September 27, 2019 Hi. The Vanguard will be my next build as soon as i finish my Victory. Will be watching your build to see how it goes before I start mine popeye the sailor, marktiedens, FrankWouts and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UdoK Posted September 27, 2019 Share #3 Posted September 27, 2019 Seems to be an interesting kit, I even didn't know that the Vanguard was produced by Model shipways. Old Collingwood, popeye the sailor and marktiedens 3 Quote Cheers, Udo Current builds: Le Coureur 1776 - CAFmodel 1/48 VOC Retourship Batavia Boston Typhoon steam trawler 1/32 Research/Side Projects/On Hold: H.M. Bark Endeavour HMS Bounty 1787 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer Posted September 27, 2019 Share #4 Posted September 27, 2019 Hi Mark That's a very interesting build. I notice, that the kit is produced under Amati's licence with some changes. I'll be most interested to hear how the new guns look, the Amati gun carriages being a major weak point in their kit. I really like the Amati copper plates and hope you'll get an equally satisfying result with that tape. Question: Are the Bellerophon and Elephant variants also included? Enjoy your build! Peter Old Collingwood, popeye the sailor, FrankWouts and 1 other 4 Quote current build: The Naval Cutter Alert by flyer - Vanguard Models - scale 1:64 completed builds: HMS Bellerophon by flyer - Victory Models - scale 1:72 Yacht America by flyer - Mamoli - scale 1:66 - with some alterations Dolphyn Corel 1/50 Wasa Corel 1/75 La Gloire C.Mamoli 1/90 HM Bomb Vessel Granado JoTiKa HM Bomb Vessel Granado 1756 CC kit 1:64 Victory Models 1/64 HMS Pegasus by Flyer HMS Pickle, my interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share #5 Posted September 27, 2019 Welcome aboard everyone! David - since I have already done the Caldercraft Victory & Agamemnon I am familiar with the design concepts of Chris Watton,so I hope to do it justice. Udo - it was only made by Model Shipways for a short time. They stopped making it when Model Shipways & Amati parted ways for reasons unknown to me. Peter - I haven`t looked closely at the guns yet,so that remains to be seen. As far as the copper tape goes,I will experiment with it to see how it looks applied to something. If I`m not happy with it I have a package of 3000 copper plates from jotika that I can use. The Bellerophon & Elephant versions are not included - only Vanguard. Mark flyer, CDW, Old Collingwood and 1 other 4 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted September 27, 2019 Share #6 Posted September 27, 2019 I have used the copper tape on two models now, it worked beautifully for me. marktiedens and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) On the building slip: 1:72 French Ironclad Magenta (original shipyard plans) On hold: 1:98 Mantua HMS Victory (kit bash), 1:96 Shipyard HMS Mercury Favorite finished builds: 1:60 Sampang Good Fortune (Amati plans), 1:200 Orel Ironclad Solferino, 1:72 Schooner Hannah (Hahn plans), 1:72 Privateer Prince de Neufchatel (Chapelle plans), Model Shipways Sultana, Heller La Reale, Encore USS Olympia Goal: Become better than I was yesterday "The hardest part is deciding to try." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted September 27, 2019 Share #7 Posted September 27, 2019 7 hours ago, UdoK said: Seems to be an interesting kit, I even didn't know that the Vanguard was produced by Model shipways. I believe it was an original agreement/arrangement between Amati and Model Expo, but now not in operation. popeye the sailor and marktiedens 2 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share #8 Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) Phil - my greatest concern is how well the self adhesive copper tape holds over time - I would hate to have to re-do it after all the masts & rigging is done. I have coppered 4 ships so far with individual plates & haven`t had a single plate fall off. Mark Edited September 27, 2019 by marktiedens CDW, GrandpaPhil and popeye the sailor 3 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petervisser Posted September 27, 2019 Share #9 Posted September 27, 2019 Mark. You're a machine! Back in the saddle so soon. Well, good on ya. Doing something you're passionate about and obviously something you are very gifted at. Enjoy your new project and I will sign up for more updates. I love this kit and know you'll do it justice. Cheers, Peter fmodajr, popeye the sailor and marktiedens 3 Quote Build Log: Billing - Cutty Sark In The Gallery: HMS Unicorn, HMAV Bounty, L'Etoile, Marie Jeanne, Lilla Dan, Zeeschouw "Irene" A Toast: To a wind that blows, A ship that goes, And the lass that loved a sailor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwvolz Posted September 27, 2019 Share #10 Posted September 27, 2019 3 hours ago, marktiedens said: Phil - my greatest concern is how well the self adhesive copper tape holds over time - I would hate to have to re-do it after all the masts & rigging is done. I have coppered 4 ships so far with individual plates & haven`t had a single plate fall off. Mark Mark, I have a build that is 22 years old that was done with the copper tape. Not even a hint of anything lifting. Hopefully this is reassuring... marktiedens, CDW and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Joe Volz Current build: Model Shipways "Benjamin W. Latham" Completed builds on MSW: Caldercraft HMS "Cruizer" Caldercraft HMBV "Granado" Model Shipways "Prince De Neufchatel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmodajr Posted September 28, 2019 Share #11 Posted September 28, 2019 Hi Mark, Wow, that was a quick turnaround from your previous build to this one!!!! I look forward to following your progress. Good Luck! Frank marktiedens and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mort stoll Posted September 28, 2019 Share #12 Posted September 28, 2019 hi mark, i used adhesive cooper tape my mamoli connie which i completed about 10 years ago and it worked out fine. i first coated a portion of hull with contact cement and after a few minutes applied the tape - which i cut into individual plates before hand - and all was well. hope this helps, mort marktiedens and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Current Build - Caldercraft Victory Completed - Artesiana Latina Swift, Harvey, MGS Prince de Neufchatel, Imai USS Susquehanna, Mamoli Constitution, Rattlesnake per Hunt Practium, Caldercraft Snake, Diana, Kammerlander Duke William Waiting to be Launched - Bluejacket Constitution Proud member of The New Jersey Ship Model Society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted September 28, 2019 Author Share #13 Posted September 28, 2019 Peter - I`ve actually been just sitting around for a couple of weeks & was getting bored,so off I go again. I was going to build an old Aeropiccola kit of the Essex,but the Vanguard kept calling to me from the closet. Joe & Mort - thanks for the vote of confidence. Frank - Yes,a fairly quick turnaround. There`s no admiral here,so I get bored pretty quickly. Mark CDW, popeye the sailor and egkb 3 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted September 29, 2019 Author Share #14 Posted September 29, 2019 Starting work on the ship,I first glued the 2 halves of the bulkhead former together & glued the stem & keel in place. Next,all the bulkheads were removed from the plywood sheets & test fitted along with the lowest gun deck,which serves as a good stiffener. Everything is dry fitted for now to see how everything lines up. Everything fit together nicely with only a few swipes with a file in a few spots. Sighting down the sides,I don`t see any bumps or dips in the edges of the bulkheads,which is a first for me! I must say the laser cutting seems to be spot on everywhere & even the edges are only a light brown,instead of burned black - I am very impressed with the kit so far. Mark gieb8688, popeye the sailor, ErnieL and 16 others 19 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share #15 Posted October 7, 2019 All bulkheads are now glued in place,the dummy barrel strips were slid into the slots in the bulkheads & painted black,& the stern counter patterns added. I also made some bow filler blocks from balsa & glued them in place along with the bow deck pieces. The instructions say to plank the bow deck & build the beakhead bulkhead now,but I think I will wait until I see how the gunport patterns line up. Mark Retired guy, GrandpaPhil, Edwardkenway and 15 others 18 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ondras71 Posted October 9, 2019 Share #16 Posted October 9, 2019 It is better not to believe the kit than to believe. Better to measure three times!! I keep my fingers crossed for the result!! Ondras Bill Morrison, popeye the sailor and marktiedens 3 Quote Ondras. Done : President - https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=177&t=90230 Under construction : Roter Lowe - https://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=177&t=114576 Member of the organizing club - https://wchs-c-2023.klom-admiral.cz/en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired guy Posted October 9, 2019 Share #17 Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) On 9/26/2019 at 8:20 PM, marktiedens said: Hi everyone - this will be my build of the Vanguard by Model Shipways. This kit was made by Model Shipways for a short time under license from Amati. Included in the kit are 20 plan sheets,27 laser cut wood sheets of various woods,11 sheets of etched brass,along with all the usual fittings,plus a lot of cast metal items. All the rigging line is on Mantua spools & looks to be of decent quality,although I may replace some of it with Syren rope depending on the application. The rigging blocks look to be above average quality,but I will still probably use Syren blocks. Copper tape is provided for coppering the hull rather than individual copper plates. Also,all the guns are cast metal instead of turned brass. As I understand,the Amati version has the gun carriages made of metal but my kit provides wood carriages. There is a LOT of strip wood plus a large handful of walnut dowels. This appears to be a high quality kit & should be fun to build! Hi Mark, will be watching your build and see how you tackle her, have the Amati Vanguard and as you say they have metal gun carriages, wonder why they did that, but they do have the copper plates in individual. Regards Richard Edited October 21, 2019 by Retired guy popeye the sailor, marktiedens and FrankWouts 3 Quote Current build: Bluenose by Retired guy - Model Shipways - scale 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted October 10, 2019 Author Share #18 Posted October 10, 2019 Thanks guys. On to the upper gun deck. The deck is provided in 2 pieces - a front & rear half. I cut both halves down the middle in order to ease installation & they fit almost perfectly.so they were glued in place. The written instructions say to plank this deck with tanganyka strips,so I looked through all the wood strips & couldn`t find them. I finally realized that the deck planking strips are provided as basswood. I have some tanganyka strips in my stash.but not nearly enough so I will go ahead & use the basswood from the kit. I also lined off the deck for a four plank shift using 100mm long planks. Mark Peter Bloemendaal, GrandpaPhil, Edwardkenway and 13 others 16 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share #19 Posted October 21, 2019 Hi everyone. The gun deck is now planked & false treenails added. I did the false treenails by just giving a small twist with a #77 drill bit - just enough to break the surface. A coat of poly then makes them visible,but not too overdone. I only did the treenailing to the part of the deck that will be visible. Also the edges of the planks were darkened with a #2 pencil before glueing down. Mark gieb8688, JayCub, ErnieL and 19 others 22 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share #20 Posted October 25, 2019 A little progress - the inner bulwarks were planked & painted red. I pre-painted the lowest plank before glueing in place so I didn`t have to mask anything off. Next will be the fittings for this deck - they need to be done before fixing the upper decks in place. The ship`s stove should be interesting - it is provided in etched brass! Mark GrandpaPhil, gieb8688, CDW and 14 others 17 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer Posted October 25, 2019 Share #21 Posted October 25, 2019 Hi Mark Great work. Just a small hint although I might be a bit late: Parts of the lower gun deck will be visible from above where in the waist the two open companionways will lead from the partly visible upper deck down to the gun deck. I would recommend to put in some small planked false deck parts of the gun deck (I mean the one with the dummy guns) as long as there still is some limited access. I forgot it on my Bellerophon and had to do some keyhole surgery to put the planks in place. Cheers Peter Retired guy, CDW, Old Collingwood and 3 others 6 Quote current build: The Naval Cutter Alert by flyer - Vanguard Models - scale 1:64 completed builds: HMS Bellerophon by flyer - Victory Models - scale 1:72 Yacht America by flyer - Mamoli - scale 1:66 - with some alterations Dolphyn Corel 1/50 Wasa Corel 1/75 La Gloire C.Mamoli 1/90 HM Bomb Vessel Granado JoTiKa HM Bomb Vessel Granado 1756 CC kit 1:64 Victory Models 1/64 HMS Pegasus by Flyer HMS Pickle, my interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share #22 Posted October 25, 2019 Hi Peter - I see what you mean. I think I can add some planks down below without too much trouble. I don`t always think far enough ahead. Thanks for the tip. I am always open to advice or suggestions. Mark popeye the sailor, Bill Morrison, Old Collingwood and 1 other 4 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md1400cs Posted October 25, 2019 Share #23 Posted October 25, 2019 Mark, Yes indeed, as Frank said, quick turnaround. Great choice. I know nothing about Model Shipways product quality - so it will be fun to follow for that as well. Good luck! Bringing my chair as well Cheers, Edwardkenway, Old Collingwood, marktiedens and 2 others 5 Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share #24 Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) Thanks Michael. The quality seems quite good so far - the laser cutting is spot on with all the parts fitting together nicely. There are a few trade-offs such as the deck planking is basswood instead of the tanganyika called for in the instructions & copper tape instead of plates for the hull. On the other hand,wood gun carriages are provided instead of the metal ones in the Amati kit. The changes from the Amati kit are probably why this kit was much lower priced. I have a long way to go & am very pleased with the kit so far. By the way,I hope everyone in CA. can stay safe with all the wildfires that have popped up again. Mark Edited October 25, 2019 by marktiedens popeye the sailor, fmodajr and Old Collingwood 3 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share #25 Posted October 25, 2019 Hi - managed to get some planks down on the lower gun deck. The ends of the planks on the left opening will not show - the grating will cover that area. Mark gieb8688, Edwardkenway, J11 and 14 others 17 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J11 Posted October 26, 2019 Share #26 Posted October 26, 2019 Looks great!! marktiedens, Old Collingwood and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Current build project: CSS Alabama 1/96 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/20148-css-alabama-by-jonathan11-revell-196-scale-kit-bash-90-historical-accuracy/ Finished build projects 2018: H.L Hunley 1/24 CSS Arkansas 1/96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted October 26, 2019 Author Share #27 Posted October 26, 2019 Thanks Jonathan. Mark J11, popeye the sailor and Old Collingwood 3 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired guy Posted October 28, 2019 Share #28 Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Decking and Bulwarks look very good Mark Like the way you have shown very light tree nails took a couple of pictures of the deck on HMS Victory and as you will see it is very hard to see pic taken close up Regards Richard Edited November 2, 2019 by Retired guy Bill Morrison, Old Collingwood, popeye the sailor and 7 others 10 Quote Current build: Bluenose by Retired guy - Model Shipways - scale 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share #29 Posted October 28, 2019 Thanks Richard - I like to show them,but also try to make them as unobtrusive as possible. They are almost invisible at arm`s length. I`m not that crazy about the color of the planks - looks more like fresh cut wood than a deck that has been out in the weather for a while & turned more gray. Mark Old Collingwood, Edwardkenway, CDW and 1 other 4 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zappto Posted October 31, 2019 Share #30 Posted October 31, 2019 Hello, this ship is on my wish list, will watch with pleasure. Your work is remarkable neat! Very nicely done planking! popeye the sailor, marktiedens, Old Collingwood and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: Mamoli - La gloire 1778 Finished builds: Mamoli - Friesland 1663 Mamoli - Lexington 1776 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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