Cathead Posted August 24, 2022 Share #61 Posted August 24, 2022 28 minutes ago, Old Collingwood said: someone Knit a plane/tank or ship Google "knitted military tank" and you'll find quite a few creative results, like this: Very cool model so far. I haven't really dabbled in the non-ship parts of MSW before but this is too interesting to let go. Landlubber Mike, Baker, AJohnson and 6 others 5 4 Quote Eric Current builds: scratchbuilt Missouri River steamboat Peerless (1893); 1:1 scale timber-framed outdoor kitchen Nautical builds (kits): USS Cairo; NRG capstan project; NRG half-hull; Viking longship; US revenue cutter; 18th century longboat; Bounty launch Missouri River craft (scratchbuilt): 1853 Missouri River steamboat Arabia; 1865 steamboat Bertrand; Lewis & Clark barge; keelboat; 1876 steamboat Far West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted August 25, 2022 Share #62 Posted August 25, 2022 11 hours ago, Keith Black said: I want to step in here and defend knitters as I don't think there's anything "easy" about knitting. For one, there's hundreds of different types of knitting needles (of course my wife requires at least one if not two of each) two, there are at least a hundred different types of knitting stitches, and three, there's all the different types of yarns and their respective weights that go hand and hand with those hundreds of different needles. The real kicker is being able to visualize making a three dimensional object out of a single strand of yarn from one of the countless patterns that if placed end to end would stretch from here to the moon. Sounds similar to scratchbuilding a wooden ship. Tons of tools and wood choices. Hundreds of plans. popeye the sailor, Edwardkenway, Keith Black and 3 others 6 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share #63 Posted August 28, 2022 Sorry to hijack the knitting thread (see what I did there?), but it's time for a modeling update. I haven't been idle these past few days -- it's just that I have been dealing with the typically insane parts count of even a 'simpler' Halinski kit. The horizontal stabilizers, elevators, struts, and rudder linkages consisted of 51 parts. Whew!! Because the vertical stabilizer is crooked, as reported earlier, the horizontal stabilizers are also slightly crooked, but not badly so -- just gonna have to live with it. BTW, the total surface area of the 109's horizontal tail surfaces is lilliputian compared to that of the F6F -- the area of the 109's two stabilizers together might equal that of just one on the Hellcat. Cheers! GrandpaPhil, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 17 others 15 5 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted August 29, 2022 Share #64 Posted August 29, 2022 Going to give plastic models a bad name. 😆 Outstanding work! 👍😀 Old Collingwood, AJohnson, Egilman and 6 others 9 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted August 29, 2022 Share #65 Posted August 29, 2022 Looking at the photos would never notice they were crooked. That's incredible parts count.... ccoyle, Old Collingwood, Egilman and 6 others 9 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted August 29, 2022 Share #66 Posted August 29, 2022 More like Grumman built them big and beefy. They were called the Iron Works, remember. And Grumman's neighbor out on Long Island, Republic, wasn't much different. Look at the size of the P-47 Thunderbolt aka the Jug. May have been the heaviest single engine fighter we built in WW II. AJohnson, mtaylor, Cathead and 7 others 10 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJohnson Posted August 29, 2022 Share #67 Posted August 29, 2022 7 hours ago, Canute said: More like Grumman built them big and beefy. They were called the Iron Works, remember. And Grumman's neighbor out on Long Island, Republic, wasn't much different. Look at the size of the P-47 Thunderbolt aka the Jug. May have been the heaviest single engine fighter we built in WW II. That is very true, I have 1/24 P47 (Razorback) a Hellcat and the 109 on my shelf, the 109 almost looks as though it’s a different scale model in between those two beasts! Outstanding work again Chris! 👏 Jack12477, Edwardkenway, hof00 and 8 others 11 Quote Andrew Current builds:- HM Cutter Trial - Vanguard models (1/64), HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64), Hawker-Typhoon-1b-"Car-Door" - Airfix (1/24) Completed (Ship):- "Nisha" - Vanguard Models (1/64), HMS Orestes (Mars) - Caldercraft (1/64), HM Cutter Sherbourne - Caldercraft (1/64), TSS Earnslaw - Paper Shipwright (1/250), Puffer "Starlight" - Paper Shipwright (1/250) Completed (Non-Ship):-Blackburn Buccaneer S.2C - Airfix (1/48), Bristol Beaufort - Airfix (1/72), Mosquito B.XVI - Airfix (1/72), , Sea-Harrier-FRS1 - Airfix (1/72), Grumman F6F-5 Hellcat - Airfix (1/24), De Havilland Chipmunk T.10 - Airfix (1/48), Flamborough Head Lighthouse - Paper Shipwright (1/250) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted September 3, 2022 Author Share #68 Posted September 3, 2022 It took me awhile to complete the beefy wing structure, ~60 pieces. hof00, Canute, Paul Le Wol and 15 others 15 3 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted September 3, 2022 Share #69 Posted September 3, 2022 What did you make the spars from? Old Collingwood, AJohnson, Egilman and 4 others 7 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted September 4, 2022 Author Share #70 Posted September 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Dave_E said: What did you make the spars from? They're from the laser-cut frames set. popeye the sailor, AJohnson, Dave_E and 5 others 8 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted September 4, 2022 Share #71 Posted September 4, 2022 Chris, You mentioned a while back that you use a spray sealant on all of your card models prior to cutting. What spray sealant are you using and where do you get it? Thank you very much in advance! Phil Old Collingwood, Canute, Edwardkenway and 3 others 6 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) On the building slip: 1:72 French Ironclad Magenta (original shipyard plans) On hold: 1:98 Mantua HMS Victory (kit bash), 1:96 Shipyard HMS Mercury Favorite finished builds: 1:60 Sampang Good Fortune (Amati plans), 1:200 Orel Ironclad Solferino, 1:72 Schooner Hannah (Hahn plans), 1:72 Privateer Prince de Neufchatel (Chapelle plans), Model Shipways Sultana, Heller La Reale, Encore USS Olympia Goal: Become better than I was yesterday "The hardest part is deciding to try." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted September 4, 2022 Author Share #72 Posted September 4, 2022 3 hours ago, GrandpaPhil said: What spray sealant are you using and where do you get it? Krylon matte clear from the hardware store, although I ran out on this kit and had to get some off-brand from the hobby store that I haven't tried yet. Today I added the wheel wells, which is the last step before skinning the wings. Keith Black, Ian_Grant, Egilman and 12 others 14 1 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted September 4, 2022 Share #73 Posted September 4, 2022 What fun. popeye the sailor, mtaylor, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted September 5, 2022 Author Share #74 Posted September 5, 2022 Wing skins done. Now I can test fit the wing to the fuselage and twirl it about my head while I make airplane noises. What? You tellin' me you don't do exactly the same thing? 😆 Baker, Egilman, Landlubber Mike and 17 others 11 9 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted September 5, 2022 Share #75 Posted September 5, 2022 Oh yeah. Except when I have at least the basic airplane complete I’m flying it making coordinated turns along with sounds. 👍😁 Keith Black, AJohnson, Old Collingwood and 5 others 4 4 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted September 6, 2022 Share #76 Posted September 6, 2022 Kind of tough to see the ball in the race for those, eh? I just make jet whooshing sounds, while doing aileron rolls. 😉 Dave_E, Old Collingwood, AJohnson and 5 others 4 4 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted September 6, 2022 Share #77 Posted September 6, 2022 I suspect we all do that. The bird I did, it was choice... either the jet engines or the "whop, whop" sound of the rotor blades. tkay11, popeye the sailor, Old Collingwood and 6 others 9 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted September 7, 2022 Author Share #78 Posted September 7, 2022 Well, now it's on to the wing-mounted radiators. These have an insane number of parts. My recent Spitfire Vb had only one such radiator, but the Bf-109E has two -- great. I got the first parts in (parts 54) and then got completely stumped about how the next parts (54a and 54b) are supposed to go in -- they don't match the existing contours at all. I'm going to have to study some build logs. Cathead, Canute, popeye the sailor and 10 others 13 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted September 7, 2022 Share #79 Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) 56 minutes ago, ccoyle said: I got the first parts in (parts 54) and then got completely stumped about how the next parts (54a and 54b) are supposed to go in The leading edges of 54a&b are the edges with the slight curve to them, they match the leading edge curves of the outer radiator covers 54i L&P... The leading edge of the Radiator cover is the end that matches from side to side... The P & L designations on the parts must stand for port and starboard... It's the only way they make sense to me brother... Edited September 7, 2022 by Egilman mtaylor, Old Collingwood, Keith Black and 6 others 9 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted September 7, 2022 Author Share #80 Posted September 7, 2022 9 hours ago, Egilman said: The leading edges of 54a&b are the edges with the slight curve to them, they match the leading edge curves of the outer radiator covers 54i L&P... Yes, but the problem is that's not where the diagram says they're supposed to go. popeye the sailor, Dave_E, Old Collingwood and 5 others 4 4 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted September 7, 2022 Share #81 Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) It looks like it builds out into this radiator: 54a looks like a reinforcing piece for the outboard side of the radiator and 54b looks like a reinforcing piece for the inboard side of the radiator. My mark-up skills are awful, but this is what it looks like to me: Edited September 7, 2022 by GrandpaPhil BLACK VIKING, Dave_E, AJohnson and 8 others 11 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) On the building slip: 1:72 French Ironclad Magenta (original shipyard plans) On hold: 1:98 Mantua HMS Victory (kit bash), 1:96 Shipyard HMS Mercury Favorite finished builds: 1:60 Sampang Good Fortune (Amati plans), 1:200 Orel Ironclad Solferino, 1:72 Schooner Hannah (Hahn plans), 1:72 Privateer Prince de Neufchatel (Chapelle plans), Model Shipways Sultana, Heller La Reale, Encore USS Olympia Goal: Become better than I was yesterday "The hardest part is deciding to try." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted September 7, 2022 Share #82 Posted September 7, 2022 3 hours ago, ccoyle said: Yes, but the problem is that's not where the diagram says they're supposed to go. Yeah sometimes the technical drawing side doesn't match up with what they design for parts.... I found this on the net posted to the Superhobby.com website... In the lower left corner the parts are the same... (this is the Haliński KA-2-2009 Bf 109-E7) This image.. (upper right side) shows how they claim it is supposed to go together.... Clearly showing an aft view... I don't know if that helps, but as far as the Wing Radiators they appear to be the same.... Canute, Keith Black, Dave_E and 6 others 9 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted September 7, 2022 Author Share #83 Posted September 7, 2022 It's the same diagram, and it appears to offer the same conundrum. Part 54a is clearly intended to sit inside the wing well for the radiator, but it won't fit there -- not even close. Like I said, I will research this and find the answer. Dave_E, Keith Black, mtaylor and 6 others 9 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted September 7, 2022 Share #84 Posted September 7, 2022 I would say brother the image they provided has them glued as reinforcements or spacers to the outside portion of the radiator bay walls that fits inside the well, of course this isn't going to work... it narrows the space too much... I would submit that the 54A&B glue to the upper half of the of the bay walls on the outside of the wing, reversed from the picture, it gives a gluing edge for 54 H&G which is the vertical airfoil shape of the radiator cover sides... The actuators for the radiator door would then fit inside the well sides and the door fit over that... The radiator cover would then be shaped to the bay sides and 54 H&G... Looks to be the only way the parts will fit together in the space... Note on the image they show no references to 54 H&G... But they have to have a purpose and that is the only way they fit in the construction scheme... They lay along the wing surface to provide a shape for the outer cover.... and the only way they are going to do that is to glue along the radiator well insides... Definitely a mistake on the kit designers part.... I'm sure there is someone out there who has illustrated the issue and shown the correct way to assemble and mount it.... Keith Black, Old Collingwood, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted September 7, 2022 Share #85 Posted September 7, 2022 If you don’t mind my interjecting, it looks like in the diagram EG posted, pieces 54 a and b have switched labels with 54 c and d (as shown in Chris’ photo). 54c and d sit inside the wing cutout and a and b glued to the outside to provide support for the protruding part of the cowling. I suspect the printed side of 54c and d faces the inside of the radiator cowling. If that makes any sense. Andy Old Collingwood, Egilman, popeye the sailor and 4 others 7 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted September 7, 2022 Author Share #86 Posted September 7, 2022 All will be revealed in its time. 😉 Dave_E, Old Collingwood, popeye the sailor and 4 others 7 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Collingwood Posted September 7, 2022 Share #87 Posted September 7, 2022 I think they go somewhere under the wings..... I'll get my coat. OC. mtaylor, popeye the sailor, Keith Black and 5 others 2 6 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted September 7, 2022 Share #88 Posted September 7, 2022 2 hours ago, ccoyle said: All will be revealed in its time. 😉 Brother, you approach this kind of problem the same way I do, it's what build logs are created for... I'm sure and have full faith that you will find the right way and tell us all how to correct it... It's what great modelers do... Thank you.... Jack12477, Landlubber Mike, popeye the sailor and 6 others 9 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted September 10, 2022 Author Share #89 Posted September 10, 2022 So, I solved the riddle of the radiators. As far as I could tell, the parts in question earlier were simply shown in the wrong places in the diagrams. I assembled them in the order that seemed to make the best sense and ended up with structures that look like radiators. IMO, Halinski kind of went overboard on engineering the radiators (surprise, right?), but whatever -- they're done now. Which means (trumpet fanfare) that it was time to mate the wing and fuselage assemblies (after adding gun blisters, of course), so here they are: Cheers! Old Collingwood, Richard44, Ian_Grant and 18 others 17 4 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egilman Posted September 10, 2022 Share #90 Posted September 10, 2022 Looks good from here my friend.... Jack12477, lmagna, Canute and 8 others 11 Quote Current Build: F-86F-30 Sabre by Egilman - Kinetic - 1/32nd scale In the Garage: East Bound & Down, Building a Smokey & the Bandit Kenworth Rig in 1/25th scale Completed: M8A1 HST 1930 Packard Boattail Speedster M1A1 75mm Pack Howitzer F-4J Phantom II Bell H-13's P-51B/C Temporary Suspension: USS Gwin DD-433 F-104C Starfighter "Blue Jay Four" 1/32nd Scale Terminated Build: F-104C Starfighter ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "Relish Today, Ketchup Tomorrow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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