dgbot Posted November 6, 2014 Share #601 Posted November 6, 2014 Your V2 is great. It shows the determination and dedication of the builder to create a really good and in my opinion a beautiful model, Congratulations on a job well done. David B mtaylor 1 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted November 7, 2014 Share #602 Posted November 7, 2014 Mark (or is it Muad'dib now ), I thought she sailed the wet oceans, not those off planet ... NenadM, Beef Wellington and mtaylor 3 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted November 7, 2014 Share #603 Posted November 7, 2014 whether upside down......or right side up........you've done an excellent job this time around Mark. the portholes look really REALLY good! what I've found to be a complimenting part of this site is the moderation team.....you folks do an admirable job. given the subjects I tend to model, it's good to see you and John {Jim Ladd} have taken an interest. I had the pleasure to meet John, back when I finished the M&M Fun Ship. for me, with all there is to see here in the states, he took the time to stop in for a visit, and take pictures of this off the wall build. I was very humbled and honored. don't know when........or how........but one day, I hope to get to meet you too Rustyj, dgbot, themadchemist and 1 other 4 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustyj Posted November 7, 2014 Share #604 Posted November 7, 2014 Hi Mark, I've just had the pleasure of going over your build log and catching up from my busy season. Great work my friend! I loved watching your progression and how you worked through each portion of the framing. So very well done! An inspiration to us all. Also consider the like button pounded until it wore out. Best of luck on the stern, but then I don't think wishing you luck will be needed at all! mtaylor 1 Quote Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share #605 Posted November 7, 2014 Thanks Popeye. I'm sure we'll find a way to meet sometime. Thanks Rusty. I'm of the opinion that right now I'm overthinking this and just need to do it. src, Rustyj, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted November 7, 2014 Share #606 Posted November 7, 2014 Mark, So far you haven't given me the impression you 'overthink', you (merely?) think things through - rather thorougly though. mtaylor 1 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawdustDave Posted November 9, 2014 Share #607 Posted November 9, 2014 Beautiful work Mark. So jealous of you. I really love all of the amazing POF builds going on around MSW. Looking forward to the day when I can tackle one. Your Licorne is an inspiration. Dave mtaylor 1 Quote Sawdust Dave - Current build - USS Constitution 1:60th (scratch).... Visit my blog site - All previous builds.... http://davesmodelships.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASAT Posted November 9, 2014 Share #608 Posted November 9, 2014 Mark, great work, I have seen an article or book mentioned that descibes the Hahn method including making framing stock and jigs - can you point me to the reference? I have Ships of the American Revolution, am I missing it or is there a different book? Quote Lou, In Pleasant View Harvey by ASAT- AL Scale 1:50 - Kitbash Fair American by ASAT - LSS Craftsman Plus https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23121-revenge-1577-by-asat-amati-164/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share #609 Posted November 9, 2014 Hi Carl, Actually I do overthink. Though for the stern I think it's the fear since that's where I crashed and burned the last time. Anyway, pics coming as do the transoms... Thanks, Dave. I've seen your work and I have no doubt you could do a POF and it would be excellent. Hi Lou, The best overview of his building is in the book you already have. The chapters on Alfred pretty much tell you how. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texxn5 Posted November 10, 2014 Share #610 Posted November 10, 2014 Looking good Mark...keep it up now.. mtaylor 1 Quote John Current Current Builds: US Brig Niagara on my website FINISHED BUILD LOGS: New Bedford Whaleboat - page on my Morgan Website: http://www.charleswmorganmodel.com/whaleboat-build-log-by-john-fleming.html C.W. Morgan - Model Shipways 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1785-cw-morgan-by-texxn5-johnf-ms-164-kit/ USS Constitution - Revell 1:96 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1796-uss-constitution-by-texxn5-johnf-revell-196-kit/ website US Brig Niagara Model http://www.niagaramodel.com website Charles W Morgan Model http://www.charleswmorganmodel.com website PROXXON DISCOUNT TOOL STORE http://proxxontoolsdiscount.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted November 13, 2014 Author Share #611 Posted November 13, 2014 Battle of the Stern - Opening Salvos Reread the plans at least 10 times and compared them to the salvaged stern section from V 1.0... realized I can do a lot better and also figured out where the errors crept in. Then reviewed Hahn's article from the NRJ on her. The pictures were unclear and perhaps I missed something first time through. So... scanned the article and adjusted the pics... yep. whiffed it. Scan of a a scan of a printed magazine with retouched photos... <hangs head since he knows better> So, I started with some deconstruction by removing the stern post. That done, took some basswood and worked on the filler piece. The pics seem to show one curve (which I used for V 1.0) and plans show a different curve. Originally, I figured Hahn found something and did the filler differently then the drawing and I followed that. Wrong!!!! It was the pic. I followed the drawing this time. Much happier. Also, worked on the first transom frame. A lot happier even though it took the second try to get it right. These are "rough faired" for now. I'll go back and finish shaping when the second transom is installed. riverboat, themadchemist, Elmer Cornish and 32 others 35 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted November 13, 2014 Share #612 Posted November 13, 2014 Ain't it grand when you solve the unsolvable, Mark! John Bill Hime and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Hime Posted November 13, 2014 Share #613 Posted November 13, 2014 Mark, The great thing about wood is you can always rework it or replace it . I noticed that you have left your frame fairly rough to this point. To what extent will you finish it out or at all? Sincere Regards, Bill mtaylor 1 Quote Passion is Patience...and I am a carpenter in any scale. Current build; Endurance - 1:70 scale, Occre Current build; H.M.S. Surprise - 1796, 1:48 A L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted November 13, 2014 Share #614 Posted November 13, 2014 Well thouhgt through Mark. Good to see you took the drawing. Sometimes a picture can say more than a thousand words, but sometimes it puts you on the wrong foot as it did with vs 1.0 In todays day and age you really have to be sharp using images with all the scanning, retouching, etc mtaylor 1 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted November 13, 2014 Share #615 Posted November 13, 2014 Second time's always a charm! Cheers mtaylor 1 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted November 13, 2014 Share #616 Posted November 13, 2014 I spy two 'happiers' subsequent to head hanging. Congrats !! trippwj and mtaylor 2 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverboat Posted November 13, 2014 Share #617 Posted November 13, 2014 Good "show" Mark.... Frank mtaylor 1 Quote completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat HMAT SUPPLY USRC "ALERT" in progress: Red Dragon (Chinese junk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share #618 Posted November 14, 2014 Thanks for the likes and comments. Mark, The great thing about wood is you can always rework it or replace it . I noticed that you have left your frame fairly rough to this point. To what extent will you finish it out or at all? Sincere Regards, Bill Hi Bill, The frames are <cough> a bit <cough> rough at this point. I'm using 100 grit paper but will go to maybe a 120(?) or a tad finer for the final of all final fairings. I tell myself I'm done and then go back and hit it again.. <sigh> I want the glue to hold the planks on and using something 400 just doesn't leave enough tooth. If I were doing an "admiralty style", there would be no rough edges or gouges allowed and I'd probably just now be getting the second or third frame into place. src, CaptainSteve, rafine and 6 others 9 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted November 14, 2014 Share #619 Posted November 14, 2014 Nice detective work Mark. Looks like you've got it this time! mtaylor 1 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted November 14, 2014 Share #620 Posted November 14, 2014 Well done Mark, looks like you've cracked it this time, looking real good mate. Be Good mobbsie mtaylor 1 Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted November 14, 2014 Share #621 Posted November 14, 2014 It seems that everyone knows what you are saying Mark except me ...... Don't blame your self, it's just the thing that I not take attention on school when it was needed As far I can see.....great work Sjors src and mtaylor 2 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted November 20, 2014 Author Share #622 Posted November 20, 2014 Thank heavens I started over.. this is coming out better than I thought. I missed so much on the plans and pictures the last time stumbling though... I'm making templates of the transom timbers from the plans and using the cleaned up photos as a guide. I think it's coming together much better. Here's the first two timbers in place. They're of the proper shape but not faired. That will come when all of the stern is in place lest I screw it up. The next one, the top transom, is the challenge. It has two curves (one vertically and one horizontally) to give the stern windows their curve but also the curve from side to side. Plus... (added bonus for complexity) it has eight slots milled into it for the vertical timbers. This should be frustrating and fun at the same time. See the pic for the plan view of this timber. Onward and upward.... Mike Y, alangr4, Shazmira and 24 others 27 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texxn5 Posted November 20, 2014 Share #623 Posted November 20, 2014 Nice and complicated Mark, glad you're happy with it, very nice curves and all. mtaylor 1 Quote John Current Current Builds: US Brig Niagara on my website FINISHED BUILD LOGS: New Bedford Whaleboat - page on my Morgan Website: http://www.charleswmorganmodel.com/whaleboat-build-log-by-john-fleming.html C.W. Morgan - Model Shipways 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1785-cw-morgan-by-texxn5-johnf-ms-164-kit/ USS Constitution - Revell 1:96 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1796-uss-constitution-by-texxn5-johnf-revell-196-kit/ website US Brig Niagara Model http://www.niagaramodel.com website Charles W Morgan Model http://www.charleswmorganmodel.com website PROXXON DISCOUNT TOOL STORE http://proxxontoolsdiscount.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted November 20, 2014 Share #624 Posted November 20, 2014 If it wasn't a challenge Mark, it would be no fun cheers Pat druxey, WackoWolf, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted November 20, 2014 Share #625 Posted November 20, 2014 Mark, It's a HOBBY so: challenge = fun You'll get it right anyway! mtaylor 1 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarbrush Posted November 20, 2014 Share #626 Posted November 20, 2014 looks great Mark! mtaylor 1 Quote John future build: to finish Mary Rose http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8507-mary-rose-by-tarbrush-scale-172-1545/?hl=%2Bmary+%2Brose completed builds: Constructo Steam Launch Louise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted November 21, 2014 Share #627 Posted November 21, 2014 Yup, that transom piece is a compound curve. Had the same on Confederacy....but of course I wasn't starting from thin air. Based on your success with the counter you'll get it RFT. mtaylor 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alangr4 Posted November 21, 2014 Share #628 Posted November 21, 2014 Wonderful work Mark well done Alan mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tim I. Posted November 21, 2014 Share #629 Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Mark, Your Licorne is a stunning piece of work. I do no think there is a modeler out there that does not cringe a little (or a lot in my case) when it comes to transom work. Your timbers look great and I am sure you will pull it off with aplomb. - Tim Edited November 21, 2014 by Tim I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted November 21, 2014 Share #630 Posted November 21, 2014 To me the transom has always been a bear cat for getting it correct. I remember on my Latham I had to redo the transom at least 3 times until i was happy with it. David B mtaylor 1 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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