Barbossa Posted July 26, 2016 Share #271 Posted July 26, 2016 Magnificent coppering, Jason. Using Amati copperplates instead of the copperplates supplied in the box is just one fine example of the following reasoning : "...If only I knew this before... I would have implemented this the same way" The pics are obvious : replacing the copperplates was the right thing to do and money well spent. mtaylor, JesseLee, cog and 1 other 4 Quote Kind regards Christian "The original always beats the copy" (supportive statement) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 26, 2016 Share #272 Posted July 26, 2016 Jason, Lovely job on the coppering. One question, though, don't you have those plates upside down ? It seems t me your last (upper) row will not have any nails at the top ... Cheers mtaylor and Beef Wellington 2 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Coleman Posted July 26, 2016 Share #273 Posted July 26, 2016 Very nice clean work on the coppering. Good work. Beef Wellington and mtaylor 2 Quote Regards, Scott Current build: 1:75 Friesland, Mamoli Completed builds: 1:64 Rattlesnake, Mamoli - 1:64 HMS Bounty, Mamoli - 1:54 Adventure, Amati - 1:80 King of the Mississippi, AL 1:64 Blue Shadow, Mamoli - 1:64 Leida Dutch pleasure boat, Corel - 1:60 HMS President Mantra, Sergal Awaiting construction: 1:89 Hermione La Fayette AL - 1:48 Perserverance, Modelers shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_smits Posted July 26, 2016 Share #274 Posted July 26, 2016 Excellent work Jason! So noted for when I take on my next tall ship. Beef Wellington and mtaylor 2 Quote Jim-----Current builds:HMS SnakeHMS HoodMechanical Solar SystemCompleted builds:HMS Ballahoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share #275 Posted July 27, 2016 Cheers Christian, Scott, Jim and the likes.. Carl - you've hit on the conundrum that I posed back in post #264 :-) To represent the plates being applied from the stern and bottom up, its necessary to have the nail lines on the bottom and aft side to simulate the overlap. Once that's done, the die is cast as it means that there will not be nailing on the upper edge next to the waterline (only potentially an issue on the topmost plates). However, all is not lost because the waterline batten was in practice applied/nailed over the copper plates so its not necessary to have the nails showing on the uppermost edge. That's my justification anyhow, and I still need to simulate the nails on this batten... Likely not much progress for a while as I'm off on holiday/vaction. Location to be disclosed if I can, as I plan to visit the site of a rather famous naval death back in 1779. If you would care to offer a guess, then please submit your answer on the back of some Amati 1:64 copper plates... cog, mtaylor and egkb 3 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted July 27, 2016 Share #276 Posted July 27, 2016 Pfew, that's a relief, Jason! mtaylor 1 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_smits Posted July 27, 2016 Share #277 Posted July 27, 2016 Sandwich Islands....! mtaylor and Beef Wellington 2 Quote Jim-----Current builds:HMS SnakeHMS HoodMechanical Solar SystemCompleted builds:HMS Ballahoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted July 27, 2016 Share #278 Posted July 27, 2016 Still no comment Jason because it is not finished yet.... But what I see is great !!! ( little comment ) Sjots mtaylor and Beef Wellington 2 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted July 27, 2016 Author Share #279 Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) Correct Jim, Kealakekua Bay on the big island of Hawaii. I'm always a sucker for historical sights and locations. Edited July 27, 2016 by Beef Wellington cog, JesseLee, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted July 27, 2016 Share #280 Posted July 27, 2016 Nice work with the plating Jason, that will provide a nice run of plates across the hull with a great result. cheers Pat mtaylor 1 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted August 10, 2016 Author Share #281 Posted August 10, 2016 Well, as promised here are the pics from my visit to Kealakekua Bay on Hawai'i Island. Not build-log related but sort of relevant. Top photo is from the beach, interesting comparison to the contemporary print, more overgrown but thats to be expected. The locals try to limit access to beach (its prime snorkelling water) but all that has done has resulted in a tour companies dropping people off by boat, hence the scores of people in the background. Anyway, what has not really changed is the rugged nature of the rock which does come across in the print, even on a calm day it must have been quite challenging to keep boat alongside to pick up the shore party. There are some ruins of Hawai'ian drystone walls amongst the trees which does support the 'village' in the print's background. Bottom pic is me looking as happy as I could at the Cook monument, I took the 8 mile walk down which is only way to access by land on a brutal path of volcanic rock path in sweltering heat. Monument is officially British soil, and is close to where he died. There is another plaque (which I couldn't find) that also marks the spot which also states that 'nearby' Cook was killed. Trip has moved on, I'm now on the Island of Kaui, which interestingly was the place where Cook first stepped ashore in the Sandwich/Hawai'ian Islands. So will need to bookend this trip with a visit to that spot as well.... usedtosail, de_kryger, Barbossa and 18 others 21 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_smits Posted August 10, 2016 Share #282 Posted August 10, 2016 So that's what a beef Wellington looks like....! mtaylor, JesseLee, Landlubber Mike and 4 others 7 Quote Jim-----Current builds:HMS SnakeHMS HoodMechanical Solar SystemCompleted builds:HMS Ballahoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted August 11, 2016 Share #283 Posted August 11, 2016 Wow, nice to meet you my friend And I was looking in to see for an update and what do I've got ? Hawaii ! Nice alternative !!!! Sjors mort stoll, mtaylor and jim_smits 3 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmo Posted August 12, 2016 Share #284 Posted August 12, 2016 Nice Jason. I can see why you didn't have your SNake close to hand for a pic. Looks like an interesting spot. My summer holiday haunt is where Cook and Banks tried to observe the transit of Mercury on their first voyage. I bore the kids to tears talking about it and pointing out where they would have anchored and filled the ship's casks. cog, JesseLee and mtaylor 3 Quote Current build Enterprise class 28-gun frigate 1774 - scratchbuild 1:36 RC Completed builds Cruizer class brig - scratchbuild 1:36 RC HM Bomb Vessel Granado - Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne - Caldercraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton Posted August 13, 2016 Share #285 Posted August 13, 2016 Looks nice out there! Hope you're having fun hamilton mtaylor 1 Quote current builds: Corel HMS Bellona (1780); Admiralty models Echo cross-section (semi-scratch) previous builds: MS Phantom (scuttled, 2017); MS Sultana (1767); Corel Brittany Sloop (scuttled, 2022); MS Kate Cory; MS Armed Virginia Sloop (in need of a refit); Corel Flattie; Mamoli Gretel; Amati Bluenose (1921) (scuttled, 2023); AL San Francisco (destroyed by land krakens [i.e., cats]); Corel Toulonnaise (1823); MS Glad Tidings (1937) (in need of a refit); HMS Blandford (1719) from Corel HMS Greyhound; Fair Rosamund (1832) from OcCre Dos Amigos (missing in action); Amati Hannah (ship in a bottle); Mamoli America (1851); Bluenose fishing schooner (1921) (scratch); Off-Centre Sailing Skiff (scratch) under the bench: MS Emma C Barry; MS USS Constitution; MS Flying Fish; Corel Berlin; a wood supplier Colonial Schooner Hannah; Victory Models H.M.S. Fly; CAF Models HMS Granado; MS USS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted September 29, 2016 Author Share #286 Posted September 29, 2016 (edited) Think I've got a bit of catching up to do. Firstly, heres the Captain Cook Monument in Waimea, no undercooked beef wellington shots in this one . Found the beach he landed at, nothing special but couldn't locate the plaque that allegedly marks the spot according to guide books. I have managed at least an interim milestone, the completion of the starboard copper...this task just goes on and on Couple of items I've found to be helpful: Super Solvent - I've found this product to be highly effective at getting rid of any CA glue residue (at least the Admiralty Pro thick stuff). Wiping over the surface of any potential smearing is usually enough Some plates plates require very acute angles to be cut and when using scissors (which I find by far the easiest), the ends tend to curl and distort horribly. I found that cutting these as part of a larger section this problem is eliminated, although care is needed still to separate them. And the results. Some of the photos are before I cleaned to plates with copper cleaner, which I did to ensure that there was no CA residue anywhere. These will need to be done again once all the plates are on as I can guarantee more finger prints. Managed to do the copper plate pattern at the bow that seems to be prevalent on so many models and AOTS drafts, slight discrepancies in the plates will only become less noticeable as the copper ages and darkens. Overall I'm very happy with the Amati plates, and slight plate misalignments that just seem to be inevitable when using CA glue are tolerable. Not sure I could do it any better if I were to do it again, so I think that's the yardstick to meaure to. At the bow, I plated the cutwater first and tried to shape the plates on the planking to match the required curve. Its far from perfect but will do. I think these areas are inherently limited given the thickness of the plates, I suspect using copper tape would allow a more scale appearance. I drilled some small holes in the waterline batten to simulate nails and highlighted with pencil, these are not to scale but felt it gives it a little bit more functional relevance. Et voila! The pinkish hue of freshly cleaned copper reminded me on the AOTS Diana picture, I was very pleased with the lines that appear once the waterline is apparent. Obviously next step is to continue with the other side.... Edited September 29, 2016 by Beef Wellington Sjors, jim_smits, Barbossa and 38 others 41 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted September 29, 2016 Share #287 Posted September 29, 2016 Nicely done Jason, the coppering looks excellent. B.E. Mirabell61, mtaylor and Beef Wellington 3 Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted September 29, 2016 Share #288 Posted September 29, 2016 Holy cow, that looks amazing Jason. It almost looks like it was drawn on the computer or something the lines look so perfect. I'll send you my Pegasus to copper if you don't mind... Mirabell61, Blue Ensign, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted September 29, 2016 Share #289 Posted September 29, 2016 Beautiful work on the coppering, Jason. Bob mort stoll, mtaylor, Beef Wellington and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted September 29, 2016 Share #290 Posted September 29, 2016 Really Looks The Business Jason !! Loving what you are doing here Mate ! All the Best Eamonn Beef Wellington and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwvolz Posted September 30, 2016 Share #291 Posted September 30, 2016 Very nice Jason. Looks terrific. mtaylor and Beef Wellington 2 Quote Joe Volz Current build: Model Shipways "Benjamin W. Latham" Completed builds on MSW: Caldercraft HMS "Cruizer" Caldercraft HMBV "Granado" Model Shipways "Prince De Neufchatel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted September 30, 2016 Share #292 Posted September 30, 2016 Beautiful clean and crisp work BW. cheers Pat mtaylor and Beef Wellington 2 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmo Posted September 30, 2016 Share #293 Posted September 30, 2016 That is a thing of great beauty Jason. Well done. Beef Wellington and mtaylor 2 Quote Current build Enterprise class 28-gun frigate 1774 - scratchbuild 1:36 RC Completed builds Cruizer class brig - scratchbuild 1:36 RC HM Bomb Vessel Granado - Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne - Caldercraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_smits Posted September 30, 2016 Share #294 Posted September 30, 2016 Excellent work my friend! Beef Wellington, mtaylor and cog 3 Quote Jim-----Current builds:HMS SnakeHMS HoodMechanical Solar SystemCompleted builds:HMS Ballahoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted October 1, 2016 Author Share #295 Posted October 1, 2016 Thanks B.E., Mike, Bob, Joe, Pat, Wayne, Jim and the likes for all the support. mtaylor 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted October 1, 2016 Share #296 Posted October 1, 2016 Out of curiosity, since I'm planning the same upgrade to the copper plates on my own build, how many sets of the Amati plates have you used, or plan to use? Andy mtaylor and Beef Wellington 2 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms10 Posted October 1, 2016 Share #297 Posted October 1, 2016 Jason, That is some of the cleanest work I have ever seen. Really a top notch job. Tom Beef Wellington, Mirabell61 and mtaylor 3 Quote Attitude is the difference between ordeal and adventure. Finished: Charles W. Morgan, scratch 1:96 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/30666-charles-w-morgan-1841-scratch-196-pob-by-toms10 Finished: HMS Leopard, scratch 1:85 https://modelshipworld.com/gallery/album/2403-hms-leopard-scale-185 Finished: Constellation AL Kit, scale - 1:85 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/1383-constellation-al-185-by-tom-szabo/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dfell Posted October 1, 2016 Share #298 Posted October 1, 2016 Absolutely beautiful work !! mtaylor and Beef Wellington 2 Quote Completed: HM Brig Supply - JoKita / Caldercraft 1:64 HMS Fly - Caldercraft 1:64 HMS Sherborne - Caldercraft 1:64 HM Brig Flirt - Vanguard 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted October 1, 2016 Share #299 Posted October 1, 2016 That's a really good job Jason!! You have learn that when you was on Hawaii??? :-) Sjors Beef Wellington and mtaylor 2 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASAT Posted October 2, 2016 Share #300 Posted October 2, 2016 Jason, Exellence in execution. Your penchant for craftsmanship is showing, your passion to grow and excel is obvious in the effort and results that you obtain. Thank you for demonstrating what is possible when desire, creativity and talent are combined. I am so ready to pull the trigger on this kit - I have visions of building her using ChrisLBren's Boxwood,Black and Pear technique that he used on his Confederacy. I think it would be a great alternative to paint and copper, although your rendition is among the finest I have seen...... That model on the AOTS cover has nothing on you so far bro...... Lou Quote Lou, In Pleasant View Harvey by ASAT- AL Scale 1:50 - Kitbash Fair American by ASAT - LSS Craftsman Plus https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23121-revenge-1577-by-asat-amati-164/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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