druxey Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share #511 Posted May 2, 2016 Free floating at an appropriate level, E&T. As the sweeps will overhang the base by some distance, there will be sub-base as well. Thanks for the other comments above. I've decided to paint dolphins on the blades. Why not? The oars are now crimson and look a little unfinished yet. More later. Engelmann, Erebus and Terror, Jack12477 and 5 others 8 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted May 3, 2016 Author Share #512 Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) The first of twelve dolphins has been painted. It is based on an actual example in the RMG collection. By the way, the oar blade is ⅛" wide. Eleven more to go! (Click on the image to see the complete sweep) Edited May 3, 2016 by druxey dgbot, ggrieco, mtaylor and 26 others 29 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted May 3, 2016 Share #513 Posted May 3, 2016 That looks wonderful. They will look great on the model presentation. Chuck dgbot, Mirabell61, paulsutcliffe and 5 others 8 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitbok Posted May 3, 2016 Share #514 Posted May 3, 2016 Here is some more "oars out" displays for inspiration WackoWolf, mtaylor, Mike Y and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted May 3, 2016 Share #515 Posted May 3, 2016 The first of twelve dolphins has been painted. It is based on an actual example in the RMG collection. By the way, the oar blade is ⅛" wide. Eleven more to go! (Click on the image to see the complete sweep) Very nice decoration on the sweeps Druxey, the dolphin looks painted 3D, well done ! Nils mtaylor, robin b, Jack12477 and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted May 3, 2016 Share #516 Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) now i am impressed, how on earth did you paint the dolphin that size and so perfectly wow!!!!!!!!!! ps you never told us how you curved the ends of the sweeps?? Edited May 3, 2016 by paulsutcliffe robin b, mtaylor, WackoWolf and 2 others 5 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted May 3, 2016 Share #517 Posted May 3, 2016 Don't forget to mirror the dolphin on the last six oars..... It's unbelievable what you do atthis size..... Jan mtaylor, Jack12477 and Canute 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted May 3, 2016 Author Share #518 Posted May 3, 2016 Thanks for the pictures and comments, everyone. How do I curve the blades? They are carved that way. I thought of steam bending, but they would never be entirely consistent. The dolphin paint job is done with high-grade watercolour sable brushes in 0 and 1 sizes, using acrylic paints. Canute, Mahuna, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted May 3, 2016 Author Share #519 Posted May 3, 2016 Well, a dozen dolphins done! I've secured the model permanently on the base and pedestals and set up a trial placement for the sweeps on one side. Comments, anyone? JohnE, Dan Vadas, Engelmann and 39 others 42 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbshan Posted May 3, 2016 Share #520 Posted May 3, 2016 Preparing for the salute for the launching. Canute, robin b and mtaylor 3 Quote Joel Sanborn http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9953-lexington-by-jbshan-dlumberyard-164-from-the-seaways-practicum-by-clay-feldman/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted May 3, 2016 Share #521 Posted May 3, 2016 Magnificent! Canute, mtaylor, Jack12477 and 1 other 4 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted May 3, 2016 Share #522 Posted May 3, 2016 I would think that the sweeps would be set on the other axis given that the section at the thole pins are restricting the rotation of them. Other than that they look quite extraordinary. michael WackoWolf, mtaylor, robin b and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted May 3, 2016 Author Share #523 Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) Thanks, Michael. In actual use, I agree that the blades would be more vertical, but I was using the City of London barge model as my example. Perhaps I need to try orienting them that way.... Oh, the indecision! Joel: not quite yet launch time: there are still two standards to make, hoist and fly. Edited May 3, 2016 by druxey Erebus and Terror, mtaylor, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted May 3, 2016 Author Share #524 Posted May 3, 2016 Well, any advantage to showing the sweeps in a more operational orientation? Opinions welcomed. The standards have been started. Some SilkSpan has been stretched (like watercolour paper) and the designs laid down using graphite paper. One is the Union Jack, the other is the Greenwich Hospital coat of arms. Canute, gjdale, modelshipwright and 24 others 27 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted May 3, 2016 Share #525 Posted May 3, 2016 A difficult choice with the sweeps, Druxey, but I think showing them 'at rest' with the blades parallel to the water would show them to best advantage. The hospital coat of arms flag looks like it will be fun! John Bobstrake, mtaylor, Canute and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted May 3, 2016 Share #526 Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) Hi Druxey, exquisite work! WRT suggestions on Operational display of oars - if there are no crew then not operational? A feathered display might be more realistic? just an opinion - and how else would a viewer appreciate the full detail of those miniature masterpieces? cheers Pat Edited May 3, 2016 by BANYAN Canute, robin b, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted May 3, 2016 Share #527 Posted May 3, 2016 I have had to go back several times for the dolphins. They look carved and the detail is incredible. Jack12477, paulsutcliffe, michael mott and 5 others 8 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryland Craze Posted May 3, 2016 Share #528 Posted May 3, 2016 Art in its best form. I am really enjoying this build. Gerhardvienna, Jack12477, robin b and 3 others 6 Quote Ryland Member - Hampton Roads Ship Model Society - Ship Model Society of New Jersey - Nautical Research Guild Current Build - Armed Virginia Sloop, 18th Century Longboat Completed Build - Medway Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjimmy Posted May 4, 2016 Share #529 Posted May 4, 2016 Fantastic........ Jim Canute, WackoWolf, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted May 4, 2016 Share #530 Posted May 4, 2016 Splendid detail, Druxey!! I've seen the dolphins on the real size sweeps, and when I see yours, at their size ... they are spot on ... Reading Jan's (Amateur) remark I had a better look. Those on the port side seem to swimming upside-down, is that correct? Is there a difference between port and starboard side sweeps when painted ... Cheers Gerhardvienna, WackoWolf, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbshan Posted May 4, 2016 Share #531 Posted May 4, 2016 I'm curious about the proportions of the flags. Would they or would they not be the same shape? My reading has left the impression that Navy ensigns and standards were to the same (changeable) proportions, and since the Jack derives from the ensign would the proportions change? I'm glad to see that the St. Patrick's Cross you have rotated to the left to signify its third place in the hierarchy. A small but significant detail. Gerhardvienna 1 Quote Joel Sanborn http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9953-lexington-by-jbshan-dlumberyard-164-from-the-seaways-practicum-by-clay-feldman/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdT Posted May 4, 2016 Share #532 Posted May 4, 2016 Beautiful work, Druxey. My vote would be for the blades to be vertical, but this does not show off the lovely blade decoration as well as the horizontal arrangement. I am always puzzled by the length of these sweeps because the mechanical advantage for the rower is really minimized - requiring much more force on each stroke - to say nothing of traffic problems. Of course shorter oars would require more strokes. Was there a reason? Ed Mahuna, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote All EdT posted material Copyright 2016 Edward J Tosti Young America - extreme clipper 1853 Young America POB Version Modeling the Extreme Clipper Young America Vol 1 1:60 HMS Naiad 1797 The Naiad Frigate Vol I The Naiad Frigate Vol II1:96 Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahuna Posted May 4, 2016 Share #533 Posted May 4, 2016 Hi Druxey The sweeps look great - your painting of the dolphins is outstanding. I like the second option - vertical - best, but either looks really good. mtaylor, WackoWolf, EdT and 1 other 4 Quote Frank Completed: Skipjack Kathryn; Dunbrody Sectional Model; Paragon (modified Mayflower) Scratch Build; Planning a Sectional Model of Dunbrody NRG Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share #534 Posted May 4, 2016 Thanks for participating in the straw poll! I'm still dithering, but tending toward vertical orientation. Meanwhile, work on the ensigns continues. The first sides are painted. As these will be hanging naturally in folds, the coat of arms is more impressionistic than realistic. The 'white' is actually more a cream color. robin b, alangr4, Engelmann and 33 others 36 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted May 4, 2016 Share #535 Posted May 4, 2016 Ed from my hands on experience with sweeps... the length is required to reach the water without the oarsman sitting on a highchair Alan WackoWolf, EdT, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbshan Posted May 5, 2016 Share #536 Posted May 5, 2016 I didn't find anything definitive on the proportions of the flags, but did find the same emblem you have on your coat of arms flag. It is also on a round shield on the gates of the Greenwich Hospital. WackoWolf, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Joel Sanborn http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9953-lexington-by-jbshan-dlumberyard-164-from-the-seaways-practicum-by-clay-feldman/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted May 5, 2016 Share #537 Posted May 5, 2016 Beautiful work, Druxey; both the sweeps and the standards For what it's worth I prefer the sweeps with the blades horizontal. I agree the dolphins are displayed to greater advantage, and if they're not in use there's no reason for them not to be feathered. Steven mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted May 5, 2016 Author Share #538 Posted May 5, 2016 Well, decision time for the sweeps! While 'feathered' is an attractive and perhaps obvious choice, I think I'll place the oars with blades vertical. Why? The dolphins draw the eye away from the boat too much and, by placing the blades vertically, one can see the transition from body to blade on the other side clearly. The viewer will only 'discover' the dolphins as his or her point of view changes. I really appreciate the time and trouble those of you took to give me input on this issue. It certainly helped clarifying my own thinking. Pictures later! Jack12477, Erebus and Terror, Mahuna and 13 others 16 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted May 5, 2016 Share #539 Posted May 5, 2016 Druxey, those flags look super ! Nils mtaylor, Canute and Jack12477 3 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted May 5, 2016 Share #540 Posted May 5, 2016 Absolutely brilliant Druxey, a gold medal(at least) from me! Canute, Gerhardvienna, RichardG and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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