popeye the sailor Posted February 3, 2015 #1621 Posted February 3, 2015 stern framing looks excellent Augie! your skills are really shinning with this build augie and GLakie 2 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
augie Posted February 4, 2015 Author #1622 Posted February 4, 2015 Haven't really made enough progress for a proper update but there's something important I need to point out ... and now is the time. The bulkhead beakhead doors were made the usual way by laminating 3 sections together, thinning them down, applying the finish and hardware. They required only minor adjustments to fit the openings properly. The two outermost doors will be covered by the roundhouses down the road. Next, we fabricated the bowsprit step out of 3/16 and 1/4" strips. After painting, it was securely pinned to the deck: OK, here's what I wanted to discuss. The bowsprit hole in the beakhead is quite a bit undersized for the bowsprit. The bowsprit will be tapered but the hole still needs to be enlarged. With the stem already in place, getting the proper angle and size on that hole is somewhat problematic. Also, the next steps will include installing additional deck fittings as well as forecastle deck beams which will largely cover the bowsprit step. I could visualize painting myself into a corner and being unable to properly fit the bowsprit 6 months from now. So I fabricated and aligned this NOW and I'd strongly suggest you do something similar. If you check Rusty's great Confed log you'll see that he left off the upper part of the stem (that which holds the figurehead) at this point ----that would give you room to work. But I didn't think that far ahead. I don't like breaking out my dad's old Craftsman 1/2" drill for work on a 1:64 ship model. So I slowly enlarged the hole using slightly tapered sticks (old paint brush handles) wrapped in sandpaper. Yes, it's just this side of Neanderthal (and slow) but it works..... and nothing got destroyed in the process. Here's what we have: The bowsprit has a tenon cut in to sit nicely in the step. That will need to be painted red just prior to final installation. Didn't mean to bore anyone with this as I'm sure you all know it's good to think ahead. But now my conscience is clear. popeye the sailor, rafine, egkb and 33 others 36 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
riverboat Posted February 4, 2015 #1623 Posted February 4, 2015 Good thinking Augie!! augie and GLakie 2 Quote completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat HMAT SUPPLY USRC "ALERT" in progress: Red Dragon (Chinese junk)
GLakie Posted February 4, 2015 #1624 Posted February 4, 2015 Always good to plan ahead! Nice job Augie! Cheers augie 1 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
src Posted February 4, 2015 #1626 Posted February 4, 2015 Nothing boring there. Those are the things us novices need to hear about. Sam GLakie and augie 2 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise
gjdale Posted February 4, 2015 #1627 Posted February 4, 2015 I think the only thing that got "bored" was the hole for the bowsprit, Augie! Great forward planning, masterfully executed. GLakie and augie 2 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
lb0190 Posted February 4, 2015 #1628 Posted February 4, 2015 Awesome pictures and info Augie. As far as I'm concerned, the more the better.... augie and GLakie 2 Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges
lb0190 Posted February 4, 2015 #1629 Posted February 4, 2015 Hi Augie, I have a friend who is building a Hahn style version of the Confederacy. He is currently researching a number of specifications, one of which is stern lanterns. He has not seen any models showing stern lanterns and has difficulty believing they were not on the ship. Has this item come to your attention and if so, do you plan on adding them to your build. augie and GLakie 2 Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges
yancovitch Posted February 4, 2015 #1630 Posted February 4, 2015 good point..... GLakie and augie 2 Quote
Chuck Posted February 5, 2015 #1631 Posted February 5, 2015 Augie, That looks lovely!!! And a nice way to think ahead on enlarging that hole now. Very nice. As far as a stern lantern goes. I would say it is very plausible that this frigate had one. Just one in the center.... but because the Confederacy was never ever modeled that way, I did not add one to the prototype. I would say it is fine either way but would indeed be very interesting to see a model with it. It would however make it impossible to see that center figure on the stern. It would cover it up. Based on its location you might have to drill the hole for the main iron bracket right through the bottom of her torso or near-abouts. Something I didnt want to to do. Chuck GLakie, Rustyj, Stuntflyer and 3 others 6 Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY
popeye the sailor Posted February 11, 2015 #1632 Posted February 11, 2015 very nice work on the bow spirit Augie..........believe me, it's not a primitive thing to wrap sandpaper around a dowel......this is what I use. I have four different sizes. I use a semi rough paper though to speed the job up a little. you've done such a wonderful job so far my friend.......it's a true testament to your talent! GLakie and augie 2 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
kiwiron Posted February 12, 2015 #1633 Posted February 12, 2015 Great idea on the bowsprit step,i'll use your sandpaper around the old brush trick,unless it's copywright.She's looking great Augie,must go and use my seat of ease. augie and GLakie 2 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory - Caldercraft 1:72 Completed builds: HMB Endeavour - OcCre 1:54 HMS Supply - Caldercraft 1:64. Fishing boats, Bremen, Palamos.
chborgm Posted February 14, 2015 #1634 Posted February 14, 2015 I am build this model, but nowhere near Augi's work. I do have a question about the ships design. Why is the windless so far to the rear. I don't see how the ropes could lead to the catheads. GLakie 1 Quote Flying Fish -- MSW Essex --- MSW Constitution -- MSW Confederacy -- MSW Philadelphia -- MSW Chaperon -- MSW San Felipe -- Panart Portland -- Bluejacket
yancovitch Posted February 14, 2015 #1635 Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) haha....i was thinking the same thing just yesterday.....also would the passage ways need to be hatched over.....and wondered how long the armsor levers were, or whatever they were called... Edited February 14, 2015 by yancovitch GLakie 1 Quote
mtaylor Posted February 14, 2015 #1636 Posted February 14, 2015 I am build this model, but nowhere near Augi's work. I do have a question about the ships design. Why is the windless so far to the rear. I don't see how the ropes could lead to the catheads. The capstan being rearward was/is intentional. They would use a messenger rope which ran from the manger around the capstan and back to the bow. The anchor hawse was tied to the messenger when raising the anchor. As the hawse go to the scuttle for the cable tier, the wraps were untied. Where the capstan is allowed it also to be used via pulleys to assist with raising/lowering the yards on the main mast, launching and recovering boats, etc. You have to remember that these ships ARE very labor intensive and so moving gratings, etc. was just part of a day's work. riverboat, augie, GLakie and 6 others 9 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
augie Posted February 15, 2015 Author #1637 Posted February 15, 2015 I believe Mark has covered it quite well. Thanks GLakie 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
mtaylor Posted February 15, 2015 #1638 Posted February 15, 2015 By the way, Daniel (Dafi) has covered much of this capstan usage in his Victory build log and other topics where he thought things like this through with the help of MSW members and research. He also explores other topics including guns, cabins, meals, and others. It's well worth a look even if you're not building the Victory as it gives insight into how and why many things were done. GLakie, Dubz, src and 2 others 5 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
chborgm Posted February 15, 2015 #1639 Posted February 15, 2015 thanks. GLakie 1 Quote Flying Fish -- MSW Essex --- MSW Constitution -- MSW Confederacy -- MSW Philadelphia -- MSW Chaperon -- MSW San Felipe -- Panart Portland -- Bluejacket
Blue Ensign Posted February 16, 2015 #1640 Posted February 16, 2015 Beautiful work on the bulkhead Augie and 'work slowly and nothing gets destroyed in the process' should be a model makers mantra. B.E. augie, mtaylor, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
Mirabell61 Posted February 17, 2015 #1641 Posted February 17, 2015 Lovely work Augie, a pleasure to watch this build NIls augie and GLakie 2 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
augie Posted February 21, 2015 Author #1642 Posted February 21, 2015 Time in the shipyard has been at a premium these last 2 weeks. But we do have a small update as we cross the 900 hour mark into the build. The foresheet bitts (with 'working' sheaves), foremast hoop and deck beams have been added up in the bow. In addition, the stove has reached it's final destination: The last of the forecastle deck beams: The view from the bow: Next we'll be putting in the hanging and lodging knees and carlings. Gahm, dgbot, KenW and 32 others 35 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
GLakie Posted February 21, 2015 #1643 Posted February 21, 2015 Nice work Augie! Love the detail in your stove. I get the "itch" to start mine every time I stop by! To self:---Patience grasshopper! Cheers Canute, edmay, Sjors and 1 other 4 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Sjors Posted February 21, 2015 #1644 Posted February 21, 2015 Very nice Augie ! Just "clean" wood looks great !!!!!!! Sjors GLakie and augie 2 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre
UpstateNY Posted February 21, 2015 #1645 Posted February 21, 2015 Hi Augie, As always looks great and I especially like the stove with the brass details standing out. I hope a lot of this hard work will be visible in the end given it is an Admiralty model. This kit looks like it is really a lot of fun to build! Cheers, Nigel. augie and GLakie 2 Quote Current Build Logs: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section, USF Confederacy Model Shipways Completed Log: Red Dragon Artesania Latina Gallery: Red Dragon: Artesania Latina Member: Nautical Research Guild
Trussben Posted February 21, 2015 #1646 Posted February 21, 2015 Looks awesome Augie. Ben augie and GLakie 2 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
mtaylor Posted February 21, 2015 #1647 Posted February 21, 2015 Very clean and crisp and that stove is great!!!! GLakie and augie 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
rafine Posted February 21, 2015 #1648 Posted February 21, 2015 Beautiful work Augie. The stove looks great in place. Bob GLakie and augie 2 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Gahm Posted February 21, 2015 #1649 Posted February 21, 2015 Beautiful work, Augie! I love your stove!! Thomas GLakie, augie and Stuntflyer 3 Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864)
Jim Lad Posted February 21, 2015 #1650 Posted February 21, 2015 Nice to see you got some time in the shipyard, Augie. She's looking really good. John augie and GLakie 2 Quote
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