mtaylor Posted June 18, 2013 Author #211 Posted June 18, 2013 Thanks Russ, NenadM, and Juergen. Russ, You forgot: "and it's fun". The intimidation factor is always self-induced with me. Didn't take long to get over that. Juergen and NenadM, Feel free to use anything you find here. I found on MSW (and I think one was found on DDM) all the "special" tools I'm using. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
lamarvalley Posted June 18, 2013 #212 Posted June 18, 2013 Isn't liquid refreshment part of this hobby... at least after...? Oh dear, I've been mislead... mtaylor 1 Quote
DSiemens Posted June 18, 2013 #213 Posted June 18, 2013 (edited) Plan is still... go up to the caprail line with planks, chain wale, and any decorative plank.. I think there's one.... then head south and do the garboard strake, the wales and then fill in the blank area. Yup... simple. This is weird. I actually understood that. Sounds like a good plan actually. I will keep it in mind next time I attempt to plank a hull. I look forward to seeing the progress. I'll keep the popcorn machine running while you put on the show. Edited June 18, 2013 by DSiemens mtaylor 1 Quote Daniel We're ship in bottle builders, it's an occupational hazard. www.siemensbottlingco.blogspot.com http://www.bottledshipbuilder.com Current Builds: Bermuda Sloop Wood Krafters Pirate Ship Completed: 20 Gun Frigate Olympic 470 Bermuda Sloop Super Mini Queen Anne's Revenge German Cutter Mercury Santa Maria
rdsaplala Posted June 18, 2013 #214 Posted June 18, 2013 Hi Mark, Ahhh yes, the fun part begins, single planking a curvaceous French ship, I can feel the excitement all the way here my friend Kidding aside, with the top-notch planking job you've done to Constellation, I have no doubt that you will pull this off with flying colors Quote Best regards,AldoCurrently Building: HMS Pegasus (Victory Models)-Mothballed to give priority to Triton HMS Triton (first attempt at scratchbuilding) Past build:HM Brig Badger (Caldercraft), HM Brig Cruizer, HM Schooner Ballahoo
michael mott Posted June 18, 2013 #215 Posted June 18, 2013 Great start Mark, 9 inches is only 1/8th wow! I still have trouble getting my head around how small these models of huge ships are. I'm used to 1/8th equaling 1 inch. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
popeye the sailor Posted June 19, 2013 #216 Posted June 19, 2013 your going to be so happy to get her out of that jig..........I hope you have a stand ready Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
Landlubber Mike Posted June 19, 2013 #217 Posted June 19, 2013 Great work Mark. The Licorne is a gorgeous ship - can't wait to see her develop under your care Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
riverboat Posted June 19, 2013 #218 Posted June 19, 2013 Good luck Mark...... and don't forget, have fun !! Like Aldo says, it's a curvaceous French ship, so have fun planking ! Frank rdsaplala 1 Quote completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat HMAT SUPPLY USRC "ALERT" in progress: Red Dragon (Chinese junk)
Trussben Posted June 24, 2013 #219 Posted June 24, 2013 Really looking forward to seeing you put some flesh on those bones. Ben Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
Cap'n Rat Fink Posted July 1, 2013 #220 Posted July 1, 2013 Hey Mark hows it going? Good to see you finally hitting the planking part. i love this part cause it really gets the juices flowing as you lay each plank. I hope you ain't too hot there, because we sure are.... Quote Thank You all... Mario "Each of us is a mixture of some good and some not so good qualities. In considering one's fellow man it's important to remember the good things ... We should refrain from making judgments just because a fella happens to be a dirty, rotten SOB(biscuit) " My Builds.... BETTEAU WAR OF 1812 BOUNTY LAUNCH(bashed) CHESAPEAKE BAY FLATTIE THE SEA of GALILEE BOAT VICTORIAN STEAM LAUNCH(bashed) HOWARD CHAPELLE's CRABBING SKIFF LADY KATHRINE 1812 SCHOONER
mtaylor Posted July 1, 2013 Author #221 Posted July 1, 2013 Thanks for the kind words, gentlemen. Mario, It's been in the 80's until Friday.. it's now 106o F here. Well, it's been a week of hell at work with long days and seemingly short nights and this coming week isn't promising to get any better. But I did manage to finally get the first strake laid and after a bit of tweaking, I'm happy. I flipped the photo to see it "right side up". This is the first strake above the wales. I'm planking upward... or downward....or fiddlesticks...towards the chain wale as this is lower in profile than the wales and I can sand them without damaging the wales. The wale line goes pretty much straight back from the bow and about 2/3rds of the way, it starts sweeping upward. The width is pretty consistant from 6 planks wide at the stern, through the mid-ships to about 1/3rd of the way from the bow then ends up a the bow 6-1/2 planks wide. I'll get creative with some wider wood at the bow area or slip in a stealer... maybe a half-checked stealer... ??? freewheelinguy, Sjors, Piet and 7 others 9 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Sjors Posted July 1, 2013 #222 Posted July 1, 2013 You know Mark…. You are saying that you flip the picture but….I think it's in human nature that I'm now standing up, turn my head into a impossible direction to see the picture as it should be….. Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre
Blue Ensign Posted July 1, 2013 #223 Posted July 1, 2013 Nice lines Mark, the results of all your hard work is clear to see. Useful thing to be able to flip the photos, helps the eye detect any discrepancies in the sheer line. Getting the wale line right is one of the crucial aspects of a build. Did the French use Top and Butt or Anchor stock planking on the wales, or have they made life more simple for you by using straight planks? B.E. Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
WackoWolf Posted July 1, 2013 #224 Posted July 1, 2013 Very nice work Mark. Keep the pictures coming. Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :)
mtaylor Posted July 1, 2013 Author #225 Posted July 1, 2013 Thanks guys. B.E., to my knowledge they used butt joints. But look at the cross-section attachment. This ship has a blending of the wales to the planking. I'm still figuring out how to get the taper right. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
gjdale Posted July 1, 2013 #226 Posted July 1, 2013 Very nice Mark, But you didn't need to flip the picture for we Southern Hemisphere folk, it was already the right way up! :P mtaylor and Piet 2 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
augie Posted July 1, 2013 #227 Posted July 1, 2013 That is a very pleasing line you've created there Mark. Those upcoming curves are something. Hold fast! mtaylor 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
rafine Posted July 1, 2013 #228 Posted July 1, 2013 You're off to a nice start, Mark. Bob mtaylor 1 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
popeye the sailor Posted July 2, 2013 #229 Posted July 2, 2013 good to see you've started to plank her.......looking good Mark mtaylor 1 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
tarbrush Posted July 2, 2013 #230 Posted July 2, 2013 It's looking really good Mark, love the shape of that hull. mtaylor 1 Quote John future build: to finish Mary Rose http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8507-mary-rose-by-tarbrush-scale-172-1545/?hl=%2Bmary+%2Brose completed builds: Constructo Steam Launch Louise
michael mott Posted July 2, 2013 #231 Posted July 2, 2013 clever trick with the photograph Mark. it makes sense to do that. When working on a painting I was told to turn it upside down and then you can spot minor errors. I bet you are looking forward to the day that you can cut it loose. If I were working with this method I would trim the builing sheet as soon as possible to get rid of the large flat plane . that would give me the best of both worlds. I could sit it upside down or right side up and also be able to visualize the ship more easily. But that is just me. The first plank looks good only x number to go Michael mtaylor 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
rdsaplala Posted July 4, 2013 #232 Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) Happy birthday, Mark! May you have many more happy birthdays to come, my friend Wow! Licorne sure has some lovely lines, a testament to your excellent work Thanks for sharing that interesting cross section, those 18th Century French Shipwrights sure have a thing for aesthetics, it seems that after the step caused by the black strake (?), all the strakes, including the wale blend so smoothly together, it seems to be quite a challenge, but I have no doubt you will pull it off beautifully Edited July 4, 2013 by rdsaplala mtaylor 1 Quote Best regards,AldoCurrently Building: HMS Pegasus (Victory Models)-Mothballed to give priority to Triton HMS Triton (first attempt at scratchbuilding) Past build:HM Brig Badger (Caldercraft), HM Brig Cruizer, HM Schooner Ballahoo
JerryTodd Posted July 4, 2013 #233 Posted July 4, 2013 (edited) I'm sorry, but every time I look at the lines of a French frigate the rap song "I like Big Butts" pops into my head. I can't figure out why. Happy Birthday Edited July 4, 2013 by JerryTodd mtaylor 1 Quote Jerry Todd Click to go to that build log Constellation ~ RC sloop of war c.1856 in 1:36 scale Macedonian ~ RC British frigate c.1812 in 1:36 scale Pride of Baltimore ~ RC Baltimore Clipper c.1981 in 1:20 scale Gazela Primeiro ~ RC Barkentine c.1979 in 1:36 scale Naval Guns 1850s~1870s ~ 3D Modeling & Printing My Web Site My Thingiverse stuff
mtaylor Posted July 4, 2013 Author #234 Posted July 4, 2013 Thanks for gentle comments and birthday wishes, everyone. Jerry.... I need a new keyboard after that one... Michael, The board is as small as I can make it and still use the stand to support it when I flip it. Also, all my measurements use the base board as a refence and I need room for the tool. There will be a day when she's cut free.... I learned that upside down trick seemingly eons ago for both painting and photography. Works a treat. Aldo, I've been playing with the wood and I think stepping the thickness and then sanding to shape will work. We'll see. Popeye, You're psychic... I did that.. day after my 18th, I joined the USMC but didn't leave for boot camp until September. Ah... noon has arrived. The day's yard work has been finished, the BBQ is cleaned and ready to fire up (though I don't need a holiday or special occasion to use it) and it's officially "beer-o'clock". Because of the distance involved... I'll share a virtual beer with everyone. For those who don't... coffee... gjdale, rdsaplala, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
dvm27 Posted July 4, 2013 #235 Posted July 4, 2013 Mike, She's looking terrific. You must be counting the days until you can free her from her jig. A very Happy 65th birthday to you! Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752
mtaylor Posted July 5, 2013 Author #236 Posted July 5, 2013 Thanks for the birthday wishes. Beer-o-clock, wine-o-clock, drink with an umbrella in it-o-clock... works for me today. Greg, actually I'm not counting those days at all... I'm counting the days until I can retire. Hmm.... I wanted to "like" all your posts, but I got this (direct quote from the error message) "You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day".. strange... didn't know we could do that. augie, capnharv2, avsjerome2003 and 2 others 5 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
dafi Posted July 5, 2013 #237 Posted July 5, 2013 Hy Mark, good luck for the planking :-) Looks great so far! Daniel Quote To victory and beyond! http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/76-hms-victory-by-dafi-to-victory-and-beyond/ See also our german forum for Sailing Ship Modeling and History: http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/ Finest etch parts for HMS Victory 1:100 (Heller Kit), USS Constitution 1:96 (Revell) and other useful bits. http://dafinismus.de/index_en.html
popeye the sailor Posted July 5, 2013 #238 Posted July 5, 2013 hope you had a good day my friend! June ended wet...........now July is starting out hot. took me two days to get the lawn under control. just in time for me to go back to work.......oh well............ hope to see more on the planking Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
mtaylor Posted July 6, 2013 Author #239 Posted July 6, 2013 Popeye, I'm doing about the same... the hot weather brought out the weeds in the lawn..<sigh> Plus fighting for time and sanity due to a mad crunch going on at work. I'm currently lining off the hull from the wale to the caprail to get a sense of the flow and lines as well as spacing. Nit-picky work but I think it'll pay big dividends later. avsjerome2003, augie and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
WackoWolf Posted July 6, 2013 #240 Posted July 6, 2013 No matter how Nit-Picky it seems it will paid off bit time for you. Excellent work Mark. Keep the pictures coming. mtaylor 1 Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :)
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