GLakie Posted April 13, 2016 #1741 Posted April 13, 2016 Very nice Mark! That closed the gap beautifully! Piet, mtaylor, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
BANYAN Posted April 13, 2016 #1742 Posted April 13, 2016 Mobbsie, if any of us ever figures out how not keep making the same mistakes, we could make a fortune. A fortune maybe Mark, but then how would you learn to be a 'master' of your trade/craft The rudder looks great and appears to sit hang nicely against the stern post cheers Pat Piet, WackoWolf, Elijah and 5 others 8 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
Jack12477 Posted April 13, 2016 #1743 Posted April 13, 2016 Nice job, Mark. Elijah, Piet, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour
Omega1234 Posted April 13, 2016 #1744 Posted April 13, 2016 Very nice, Mark! Piet, Elijah, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora
Fam Posted April 13, 2016 #1745 Posted April 13, 2016 A great improvement w.r.t. the previous version: good job! Fam GLakie, mtaylor, Elijah and 2 others 5 Quote Joint building: Brick de 24, 1/48, jointly with Jack Aubrey (POB from Ancre plans) Works in progress: USS Constitution Cross Section, 1:93 (POF bashed from Mamoli kit) Completed models: Santìsima Trinidad, 1/90 (POB heavily modified DeAgostini kit) Genoan Pinco, 1/50 (POB bashed from Euromodel plans - my current avatar) Viking Knarr, 1/72 (POF from Dusek kit)
Mirabell61 Posted April 13, 2016 #1746 Posted April 13, 2016 excellent looking rudder Mark ! Nils mtaylor, Canute, slow2cool and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
albert Posted April 13, 2016 #1747 Posted April 13, 2016 Nice rudder Mark. mtaylor, GLakie, Elijah and 2 others 5 Quote
gjdale Posted April 13, 2016 #1748 Posted April 13, 2016 Well worth the effort Mark - looks great! Elijah, GLakie, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted April 13, 2016 #1749 Posted April 13, 2016 G'day Mark I'm no expert on rudders, all of your versions looked great to me. I can see a minor difference, but as the saying goes in Australia "a blind man would love to see the difference." All I've noticed is that dreaded black line is even on the rudder. It must be a reaction with the glue and the final coat. But it still looks great, you could say it has an age appearance! Happymodelling Greg Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:...
cog Posted April 13, 2016 #1750 Posted April 13, 2016 Looking solid Mark. Don't forget the coat ... Cheers Elijah, mtaylor, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
mtaylor Posted April 13, 2016 Author #1751 Posted April 13, 2016 Thanks for the coments and the "likes". G'day MarkI'm no expert on rudders, all of your versions looked great to me. I can see a minor difference, but as the saying goes in Australia "a blind man would love to see the difference."All I've noticed is that dreaded black line is even on the rudder. It must be a reaction with the glue and the final coat. But it still looks great, you could say it has an age appearance!HappymodellingGreg Greg, the lines on the rudder are actually glue with paint pigment in it to simulated the tarred cloth that was used. The lines on the hull planking are some strange reaction I got when crack filling. But at galloping horse speed and distance it looks pretty good. Looking solid Mark. Don't forget the coat ... Cheers I'm working on the coat now, Carl. Testing some stains and colors and trying to sort out the shape that needs to be cut out. JesseLee, Piet, Elijah and 7 others 10 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
NenadM Posted April 13, 2016 #1752 Posted April 13, 2016 It looks very well, Mark. It just can not be better, I think cog, slow2cool, CaptainSteve and 6 others 9 Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic
albert Posted April 13, 2016 #1753 Posted April 13, 2016 Hi Mark, very nice work. Elijah, GLakie, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote
Elijah Posted April 13, 2016 #1754 Posted April 13, 2016 I agree, very good job Mark! WackoWolf, slow2cool, GLakie and 3 others 6 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society)
Piet Posted April 14, 2016 #1755 Posted April 14, 2016 Super looking rudder Mark. Cheers, mtaylor, Canute, GLakie and 1 other 4 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum)
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted April 14, 2016 #1756 Posted April 14, 2016 Greg, the lines on the rudder are actually glue with paint pigment in it to simulated the tarred cloth that was used. The lines on the hull planking are some strange reaction I got when crack filling. But at galloping horse speed and distance it looks pretty good. Thanks Mark I told you I don't know anything about rudders. Glad to have a lesson and again thank you for sharing your wisdom! Havagooday Greg Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:...
mtaylor Posted April 14, 2016 Author #1757 Posted April 14, 2016 Greg, If you'll go back here: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/5339-licorne-by-mtaylor-pof-316-french-frigate-hahn-version-20/?p=401762 The first photo shows the new rudder and the three pieces that make it up on the left. The old rudder is on the right. It's not hard to make but fiddly as it's pretty much scroll saw work or jeweler's saw and then careful finessing to get the joints to match. WackoWolf, GLakie, CaptainSteve and 7 others 10 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
jose_b Posted April 14, 2016 #1758 Posted April 14, 2016 Congratulations Mark, your redo work was worth it. WackoWolf, Omega1234, CaptainSteve and 5 others 8 Quote Building Le François: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9952-le-fran%C3%A7ois-by-jose-scale-1-48-1683/
mtaylor Posted April 15, 2016 Author #1759 Posted April 15, 2016 Thanks for the "likes" and comments. Rudder coat time.... I tested several materials ranging from paper, silkspan, to handkerchief and a pillowcase. I decided the pillowcase cloth would best replicate canvas. After sorting out design and how I was going to mount it, I stained the cloth with some wood stain to give it tarred canvas look and when dry attached it to the rudder. I've attached the rudder to the ship and glued down the rudder coat. It's looking splotchy so I'll see what happens when the glue fully cures out. I might just brush on some more stain but the worse case is that I'll paint it. The French didn't use a metal ring like a lot models show (here on MSW anyway) but nails. Since those are 1" nails (full-size), I'm not going to try to duplicate them although I'm testing a method for simulating them... More on the rudder, later, as there's still more details to finish up. Elijah, GuntherMT, tadheus and 42 others 45 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted April 15, 2016 #1760 Posted April 15, 2016 G'day Mark The rudder is "ruddy" good. I've some test myself on the canvas. I also using and old sheet, but I'm staining it with tea. It works well. Happymodelling Greg Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:...
mtaylor Posted April 15, 2016 Author #1761 Posted April 15, 2016 Thanks for that, Greg. I applied a bit darker stain and it's looking pretty good. I'll know better in the morning after it drys. Jack12477, Piet, paulsutcliffe and 7 others 10 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
druxey Posted April 15, 2016 #1762 Posted April 15, 2016 That's a nice detail, not often modelled. It's a tricky item, so good for you! WackoWolf, CaptainSteve, GLakie and 9 others 12 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
dgbot Posted April 15, 2016 #1763 Posted April 15, 2016 Nice job on the coat. I have rarely seen it on models. I asked one guy when I saw it what he used and it was sheet linen and gesso. Then a "dirty" wash. I did not have my camera so I could not get a photo. Well done. David B Omega1234, GLakie, mtaylor and 6 others 9 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
Beef Wellington Posted April 15, 2016 #1764 Posted April 15, 2016 Mark, I think I may be in the same boat regarding my rudder needing some rework/movement of the recesses as well, I'm lucky that I can probably hide with copper plates. The new version does look better when put side by side. Piet, paulsutcliffe, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
Landlubber Mike Posted April 15, 2016 #1765 Posted April 15, 2016 Very nicely done Mark! That stern area is looking fantastic, great job my friend! Omega1234, mtaylor, Elijah and 5 others 8 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
mtaylor Posted April 16, 2016 Author #1766 Posted April 16, 2016 Thanks for the "likes" and comments. Milestone point tonight. The rudder is finished. It still needs another coat of Wipe-on-Poly but that will wait until the quarter galleries are finished and I'll do it all at once. The second and third coats of stain did the trick. The rudder coat looks pretty good in person. Weird thing happened though, after the 3rd coat, the rudder suddenly got about a 10 degree rotation to starboard in it. I think the coat may have shrank a bit... ???? I'm not going to argue with it as plan on have the yards rotated with sails in battle configuration (main courses brailed up and the rest set as needed). I'm still researching this part as to what would be "normal". The only thing not on the rudder is the emergency steering lines as from what I've read, they weren't put on unless needed. Anyway, the pictures.... This was more for my benefit to check that the mortices for the main tiller and the emergency tillers were in the right locations. The rest are just assorted shots of the rudder. I think I'll take the rest of the night off and tomorrow finish sorting out the design for the quarter galleries. Hahn's plans and the NMM plans don't show the shape from above but there's enough hints from the stern view and side view to know that it's a semi-circle and sticks out on the sides beyond the transom. gjdale, kiwiron, giampieroricci and 34 others 37 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
mtaylor Posted April 16, 2016 Author #1767 Posted April 16, 2016 You're correct, Robin. It's very stiff, probably from the stain. I'll have to do some more testing and if I find a better way, I'll rip it off and re-do it. And thanks for the compliment. I am very stubborn determined when I set my mind to do something. Elijah, Jack12477, Piet and 10 others 13 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
NenadM Posted April 16, 2016 #1768 Posted April 16, 2016 Sounds familiar ... CaptainSteve, GLakie, slow2cool and 5 others 8 Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted April 16, 2016 #1769 Posted April 16, 2016 Ain't we all Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:...
Omega1234 Posted April 16, 2016 #1770 Posted April 16, 2016 Hi Mark Congrats on reaching this milestone. A rest is very well deserved, as far as I'm concerned! Cheers Patrick Elijah, Canute, GLakie and 2 others 5 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora
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