popeye the sailor Posted August 4, 2015 Share #1171 Posted August 4, 2015 moving along quite nicely Mark........planking is looking sweet! mtaylor, GLakie and Omega1234 3 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share #1172 Posted August 4, 2015 Thanks for the comments and "likes". Just a small (by MSW standards) but a big one for me. Sadly, I forgot to take pictures during this process as my mind was on the process and not much else. I lined off the hull starting a frame 20 (dead flat) and then went fore and aft from there at every 4th frame. At the dead flat, I needed 27 strakes to cover the hull, at the sternpost, 27 also with a dip to 25 a couple frames in front of the stern post. At the bow... 18. Note that these are "full width" measurements. I grabbed the planking fan and began lining it off bow to sternpost based on "27 planks" and realized I should be able to plank without stealers or drop planks.. Happy dance... My next step was to lay some battens (3 on each side) and check the run... looks good but I needed to tweak the lining off a bit. I've since pulled off the battens and the garboard plank and started planking. I'm working from the wales toward the garboard. I made this choice based my feelings that I can use the wiggle room provided by the extra-wide garboard for adjustment if my planking doesn't quite match the lines. Back to sawdust, planking and trying not to overthink this too much. captainbob, UpstateNY, GLakie and 10 others 13 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted August 5, 2015 Share #1173 Posted August 5, 2015 Mark, Getting caught up here, Really nice work - as if we would get anything else from you. Looking forward to the rest of the planking. Sam Canute, mtaylor, Omega1234 and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted August 5, 2015 Share #1174 Posted August 5, 2015 Excellent work Mark Your second 'take' on the round tuck has paid off in spades. Kind Regards Nigel GLakie, Canute, canoe21 and 2 others 5 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpstateNY Posted August 5, 2015 Share #1175 Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) Hi Mark, Been following along from afar and enjoying hitting the like button. Your Licorne is looking just wonderful...the patience and dedication that goes into these expert, fully framed scratch builds simply astonishes me. Great news that you may not need any drops or stealers, though if they end up being required, I think they also make a nice detail. One question, are you planning to fully plank the hull on both sides or leave some of your beautiful framing details visible? Just wondering as you mentioned you placed battens on both sides to check the runs. Cheers, Nigel. Edited August 5, 2015 by UpstateNY popeye the sailor, augie, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote Current Build Logs: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section, USF Confederacy Model Shipways Completed Log: Red Dragon Artesania Latina Gallery: Red Dragon: Artesania Latina Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted August 5, 2015 Share #1176 Posted August 5, 2015 Pictures are proof ... Hmmm, I wonder ... did he or didn't he do it ... did he just buy time ... GLakie, canoe21, IgorSky and 1 other 4 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share #1177 Posted August 5, 2015 Hi Mark, One question, are you planning to fully plank the hull on both sides or leave some of your beautiful framing details visible? Just wondering as you mentioned you placed battens on both sides to check the runs. Cheers, Nigel. Hi Nigel, Fully planked both sides. Admiralty orders. The battens have been removed and planking is progressing. Pictures are proof ... Hmmm, I wonder ... did he or didn't he do it ... did he just buy time ... Carl... oh yeah...he did it. A lot of fussing and agonizing going on as well as some real-world distractions. Stay tuned.... we'll see where this goes. IgorSky, Jack12477, GLakie and 6 others 9 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted August 6, 2015 Share #1178 Posted August 6, 2015 It is a shame. All that work and nobody will ever see it. David B Omega1234, Piet, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted August 6, 2015 Share #1179 Posted August 6, 2015 But we know it's there. And perhaps kept some photos. Omega1234, Canute, IgorSky and 3 others 6 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jparsley Posted August 6, 2015 Share #1180 Posted August 6, 2015 You know mark it's such a shame to cover up such beautiful detail but to have an open sided ship also to me looks strange the knowledge of knowing the ship is built with such love and detail will spur your heart on to make grander undertakings She looks great best of luck to you Canute, IgorSky, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote USF Constellation 1/85 AL Jparsley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior ole salt Posted August 6, 2015 Share #1181 Posted August 6, 2015 Fantastic workmanship.I love to see all the models posted here. SOS mtaylor, Salty Sea Dog, GLakie and 4 others 7 Quote New Bedford Whaleboat build. Kit by Model Shipways I've been making progress on my model and according to the instruction booklet I should be painting it, at least parts of it. Are acrylic's ok ? I did apply a sanding sealer. but I want to stain the untreated floor boards which are walnut. Thanks S.O.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioannis Posted August 12, 2015 Share #1182 Posted August 12, 2015 Whole construcrion great And stern ...as i say builds nice ,beautifull as wives a s s mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioannis Posted August 12, 2015 Share #1183 Posted August 12, 2015 Absolutely business professional mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share #1184 Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) A minor milepost in the overall build but a major one for me... Six strakes have been added and to check how the tuck planking went, I taped the sternpost into position and took a few extra shots. Roughly sanded (sorry about the sawdust) and there's some gaps need filling. Overall, I'm feeling pretty good at this point. At the stern area, I'm off by about 3" (scale) which could be tolerance buildup or one side was of the transoms was off by that much. I'm thinking it has more to do with some tolerance buildup and the angle the planks came into tuck. The bow is about 2" (scale) off. I do like the way the lines are shaping up with planking. I need to re-mark off the hull and re-check the measurements and then do a few more strakes before putting the garboard back on. And sand, sand, sand.... <cough><cough>: Luckily the air filter system I've added to the workshop is doing it's job. Comments, questions, abuse is always allowed. Ok.. maybe not the abuse part... Edited August 21, 2015 by mtaylor Blue Ensign, canoe21, NMBROOK and 56 others 59 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted August 21, 2015 Share #1185 Posted August 21, 2015 She's really looking nice, Mark. John mtaylor, Piet, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jparsley Posted August 21, 2015 Share #1186 Posted August 21, 2015 Mark I think she is taking shape well Not sure what the original looks like but everything seems to have smooth and sleek lines the way you brought those around the stern without buckling is a feat all in itself great job Piet, mtaylor, GLakie and 1 other 4 Quote USF Constellation 1/85 AL Jparsley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted August 21, 2015 Share #1187 Posted August 21, 2015 Hi Mark What a beautiful hull shape. No wonder, they call ships a 'she' - shapely! Cheers Patrick Piet, GLakie, CaptainSteve and 4 others 7 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted August 21, 2015 Share #1188 Posted August 21, 2015 beautiful lines Mark, trust These full curves are characteristic for the French design of that period Nils Canute, Omega1234, Piet and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted August 21, 2015 Share #1189 Posted August 21, 2015 Your attention to detail Mark, and your willingness to re-visit work you have already put much time and effort into is what will make your build a great one. Just love the look of her. B.E. Canute, JesseLee, GLakie and 6 others 9 Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted August 21, 2015 Share #1190 Posted August 21, 2015 Smart lass, Mark ... no competition for Janet though ... She looks better every time! GLakie, Canute, Omega1234 and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted August 21, 2015 Share #1191 Posted August 21, 2015 She does have nice lines and the symmetry is great. Well done! Jack12477, CaptainSteve, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted August 21, 2015 Share #1192 Posted August 21, 2015 Sweet! Looking just lovely Mark. (The ship, that is ) Jack12477, Omega1234, cog and 5 others 8 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisLBren Posted August 21, 2015 Share #1193 Posted August 21, 2015 Looking sweet GLakie and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NenadM Posted August 21, 2015 Share #1194 Posted August 21, 2015 She start talking, Mark ! GLakie, mtaylor and IgorSky 3 Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted August 21, 2015 Share #1195 Posted August 21, 2015 Coming along nicely, Mark. Try to resist doing too much sanding until planking is complete. What do you mean by '3" off'? Do you mean creep or cumulative error compared to your lining off of the planking runs? You can easily correct this by either making remaining strakes fractionally wider or narrower to compensate. Just don't let this become a big issue when it comes down to the last strake! mtaylor, Omega1234, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipmodel Posted August 21, 2015 Share #1196 Posted August 21, 2015 Nice work, Mark. You are really getting the hang of planking and spiling. I completely agree with Druxey - go slow when correcting plank runs. Take at least three strakes to fill in a dip or level a hump. No one will be able to see the incremental difference, which they could if you try to fix a problem all at once. Congrats, again. Dan Canute, GLakie, Omega1234 and 4 others 7 Quote Current build -SS Mayaguez (c.1975) scale 1/16" = 1' (1:192) by Dan Pariser Prior scratch builds - Royal yacht Henrietta, USS Monitor, USS Maine, HMS Pelican, SS America, SS Rex, SS Uruguay, Viking knarr, Gokstad ship, Thames River Skiff , USS Oneida, Swan 42 racing yacht, Queen Anne's Revenge (1710), SS Andrea Doria (1952), SS Michelangelo (1962) , Queen Anne's Revenge (2nd model) USS/SS Leviathan (1914), James B Colgate (1892), POW bone model (circa 1800) restoration Prior kit builds - AL Dallas, Mamoli Bounty. Bluejacket America, North River Diligence, Airfix Sovereign of the Seas "Take big bites. Moderation is for monks." Robert A. Heinlein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted August 21, 2015 Author Share #1197 Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) Thanks for the "likes" and comments. It's still fun... Coming along nicely, Mark. Try to resist doing too much sanding until planking is complete. What do you mean by '3" off'? Do you mean creep or cumulative error compared to your lining off of the planking runs? You can easily correct this by either making remaining strakes fractionally wider or narrower to compensate. Just don't let this become a big issue when it comes down to the last strake! Nice work, Mark. You are really getting the hang of planking and spiling. I completely agree with Druxey - go slow when correcting plank runs. Take at least three strakes to fill in a dip or level a hump. No one will be able to see the incremental difference, which they could if you try to fix a problem all at once. Congrats, again. Dan I'm thinking it's more creep than anything else at this point, Druxey. At the sternpost, the right side plank is higher then the left. I'm taking yours advise on adjusting. The sanding is/was very rough only to see if things were close. I made a newbie's mistake early on in this and grab some planking that was too thin. For a strake. Didn't notice it until I ran some sandpaper to clean a rough edge. If I find one too low, after the light touch now, I can still fix it. Thanks Dan, good advice from both you and Druxey. Edited August 21, 2015 by mtaylor Omega1234, druxey, michael mott and 4 others 7 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverboat Posted August 21, 2015 Share #1198 Posted August 21, 2015 Just catching up..... looking at the bow and stern of your ship, I don't think you could have gotten such a great run of the planks if you didn't spil them... Nice work Mark ....she' s going to be a real "looker".... frank Omega1234, JesseLee, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat HMAT SUPPLY USRC "ALERT" in progress: Red Dragon (Chinese junk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior ole salt Posted August 21, 2015 Share #1199 Posted August 21, 2015 I poke into a number of logs here and am continually marveled by the workmanship seen here. It is an inspiration to do better but some time trying to achieve perfection can be a burden. So I try to do my best get on with the model and hope others don't notice my mistakes. or make allowances. SOS GLakie, Omega1234, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote New Bedford Whaleboat build. Kit by Model Shipways I've been making progress on my model and according to the instruction booklet I should be painting it, at least parts of it. Are acrylic's ok ? I did apply a sanding sealer. but I want to stain the untreated floor boards which are walnut. Thanks S.O.S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piet Posted August 22, 2015 Share #1200 Posted August 22, 2015 Very nice indeed! Love the stern tuck, looks very symmetrical. Cheers, mtaylor, Omega1234 and GLakie 3 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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