Shazmira Posted January 20, 2014 Share #871 Posted January 20, 2014 Mobbsie, I think what you said is exactly what I was concerned about, (the rat lines no longer being straight). I think you are correct, if you have even tension on both sides when the lanyards are secured, then IF one used proper tension on the ratlines there shouldn't be any issues. Like I said, it was just a thought that flew through my head, and I needed another brain or two to talk it through for me. Thanks to both for your replies. mtaylor and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted January 23, 2014 Author Share #872 Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Hi Guys, Thanks everybody for the nice comments and remarks, and also the guys who pressed the "like" button. I am going to try for an update using IE10, hopefully I've not been scuppered again. The Lower Main Mast is now done as far as the shrouds and ratlines are concerned and the next step is the Lower Foremast, I have just put the ropes into the black dye in readiness for that, so as far as the pictures go it's mainly the Main Mast. I have soaked the Burton Pendants with diluted white glue and they are weighted down so that they hang right. Next up is the completed Starboard side ratlines Now for the Port side, all the deadeyes had to be retied due to the mast leaning to Starboard, the shrouds on retying could almost play a tune they are so tight, but the mast is now straight and all is well. This is my method of holding the deadeye and rope so that I can seize the shroud. You can see by the tails just how much I have had to adjust the shrouds All the shrouds have been adjusted and the ropes have been tied off and trimmed. This is my method when tying ratlines, the shrouds are clamped together with two boards , the boards are the correct size for the ratlines and keep them straight, they also help to keep the shrouds from moving out of alignment but care still needs to be taken Portside shrouds completed prior to trimming up All trimmed and finished So there we are, right up to date, a bit long winded I know but it's been a while and I wanted to give IE10 a good workout. Be Good mobbsie Edited March 23, 2014 by mobbsie realworkingsailor, Kevin, themadchemist and 19 others 22 Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted January 23, 2014 Share #873 Posted January 23, 2014 lovely work, roll on me getting back into the Victory build mobbsie 1 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted January 23, 2014 Share #874 Posted January 23, 2014 she looks great Mobbsie........the ratlines really look superb! ....an update of epic proportions! mobbsie 1 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted January 23, 2014 Share #875 Posted January 23, 2014 Interesting idea using that board to both hold the shrouds in place and keep the distance between the ratlines even, i like that better than the cardboard pattern stuck behind the shrouds mobbsie and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted January 23, 2014 Share #876 Posted January 23, 2014 A workout indeed...for both IE 10 and yourself. Good work on the re-tensioning of the shrouds and your method for ratlines will be worth a try down the road. You have just the right amount of tension in those. Do you glue all the knots or just the ones on the outermost shrouds? Or perhaps none of them?? mobbsie 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted January 23, 2014 Share #877 Posted January 23, 2014 Very impressive Mobbsie, particularly love the Tweezers in the channels photo, really shows just how robust this build actually is, they aren't as delicate as they look Nice work on the ratlines, I imagine a few medicinal pints were ordered after that lot just to steady the nerves of course! Take Care Mate Eamonn mobbsie 1 Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Script Posted January 23, 2014 Share #878 Posted January 23, 2014 Great work Mobbsie! The rats will be proud! Cheers, Jim mobbsie 1 Quote Completed Robert E Lee, Misisssippi riverboat Completed, HMS Victory Bow Section Completed, Wells Fargo Stagecoach...Picasa album.... Completed, Lackawanna tugboat converted to private yacht... Completed: Sopwith Camel, 1:16 Scale, Model Airways...at another location... Completed: 1961 Ferrari F-1 Sharknose Completed: (sorta) OcCre BR-18 Locomotive Completed: 1/35 Pz.KPfw.III Completed: Allerton Steam Pumper circa 1869 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted January 23, 2014 Author Share #879 Posted January 23, 2014 Thanks guys for the good comments, their very much appreciated. Augie, I glue every knot, Sjors very kindly got me some Pattex Special, It's very good and when dry doesn't show up unlike CA which does. It takes about 5 minutes to set so there is time to make adjustments if needed. Be Good mobbsie augie 1 Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted January 23, 2014 Share #880 Posted January 23, 2014 Hi great work on the ratlines they look very nicely tensioned and even . mobbsie 1 Quote Ray Current build A set of HMS Diana`s boats @ 1/48 HMS Royal Marine a Military class Trawler Completed HMS Diana Completed build The Lady Nelson Completed Build HMS Pegasus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippwj Posted January 23, 2014 Share #881 Posted January 23, 2014 Yo, Mobbsie - WOW!!! Looking fantastic, mate. Well done! mobbsie 1 Quote WayneNeither should a ship rely on one small anchor, nor should life rest on a single hope.Epictetus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted January 23, 2014 Share #882 Posted January 23, 2014 Nice job on the ratlines Mobbsie. Lessons well learned !!!!! And the combination of black shrouds and white ratlines are great ! trippwj and mobbsie 2 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverboat Posted January 23, 2014 Share #883 Posted January 23, 2014 Excellent work!! mobbsie 1 Quote completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat HMAT SUPPLY USRC "ALERT" in progress: Red Dragon (Chinese junk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted January 23, 2014 Share #884 Posted January 23, 2014 Very impressive indeed, mate! John mobbsie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbuilder101 Posted January 23, 2014 Share #885 Posted January 23, 2014 Super job on the ratlines - and all the rigging for that matter! Keep the great updates coming! mobbsie 1 Quote Sherry Every goodbye is the birth of a memory... Current Build: San Felipe Finished Builds: Mayflower Build Log Gallery: Mayflower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 24, 2014 Share #886 Posted January 24, 2014 Great looking ratlines and great idea for jig to keep the shrouds spaced properly. mobbsie 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted January 24, 2014 Share #887 Posted January 24, 2014 An excellent post mobbsie, a fine job you've done on the 'rattlin' down. B.E. mobbsie 1 Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted January 24, 2014 Share #888 Posted January 24, 2014 Excellent work Mobbsie. Your ratlines look superb. mobbsie 1 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clloyd Posted January 24, 2014 Share #889 Posted January 24, 2014 Lovely ratlines. A big job done really nicely. Colin mobbsie 1 Quote -- Current Builds: HMS Pandora 1/64 Scratch Jeannie Johnston; 18thC Longboat with my son Previous Builds: HMB Bounty - Caldercraft Running Round my head: HMS Speedy (1782) - vaguely thinking POF "If at first you don't succeed, try it your wifes' way" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shihawk Posted January 24, 2014 Share #890 Posted January 24, 2014 CONGRATULATIONS on a great log of a superb build. Im just about to start rigging my Cruiser and have been doing some research through the forem and books and so far your log has been very helpful especially as a lot of the terminology is new to me . Your pictures explain so much. I think i have all blocks and eyes on the masts and believe my next move is to clue masts to hull followed by fitting shrouds and ratlines My question to all you more experienced riggers is if i fit the lower shrouds now will they not be in the way when i get to fit the running rigging . I APOLAGISE for asking questions on your log but you seem to have a lot of expert followers .Once again FANTASTIC build and keep the good work and pictures coming mobbsie 1 Quote HMS Victory by Shihawk. Billing 1-75 wood finish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted January 24, 2014 Author Share #891 Posted January 24, 2014 Wow, thank you all so very much for your very kind comments and remarks and the like button, I didn't think for one moment I would get a response like that. :) Lawrence, I use 2 made up lengths of timber made up to the size of the spacing, they go either side of the ratlines and are clamped into position using small bulldog clips, there is a picture of them fitted to the shrouds in my last post, hope that answers your question mate. Shihawk, Thanks for looking in and I'll try to answer your question. To make it short the answer is YES, but whatever lines you do first they all get in the way of each other, there is an order that must be followed which will save a lot of aggro later. It is thought to be better to work from stern to bow, but this is a matter of preference. I have found out by reading other logs from builders who are a lot better and experienced than me that it is better to start on the Mizzen then Main followed by the Fore mast and then the Bowsprit. After the Masts have been stepped ( do not glue ) it is best to complete the lower shrouds and ratlines. When you have completed them move back aft and start on the Topmasts and then the Topgallants, it is recommended that the Standing rigging be completed before you start on the Running rigging. Unfortunately it's in this type of vessels nature to make life a bit difficult and so you generally find that most of the ropes and lines will get in each others way, this will test your patience to the limit but life can be made a little easier by getting rigging tools. All I can suggest to you is that you study the rigging plan and follow that as best you can, if you have Caldercrafts Cruiser then the rigging plan will most likely have the best method of rigging. :mellow: :mellow: Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Be Good mobbsie Kevin, mtaylor, gjdale and 1 other 4 Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shihawk Posted January 24, 2014 Share #892 Posted January 24, 2014 tks I guess its like all builds no hard and fast rules I will keep my eye on your build for guidance . mobbsie 1 Quote HMS Victory by Shihawk. Billing 1-75 wood finish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookster Posted January 27, 2014 Share #893 Posted January 27, 2014 Mobbsie, I'm just catching back up on your build, your ratlines are superb. Love your method with the alignment sticks! That's one beautiful build you've got going there. keep it up! mobbsie 1 Quote Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share #894 Posted January 27, 2014 I'll take that as real compliment coming from you Wes, compared to you I am a mere Loblolly Boy. Be Good mobbsie Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookster Posted January 27, 2014 Share #895 Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) Now Mobbsie, I haven't tied the first knot.... Don't know a clove hitch from a what-knot. (well I do now....) Gluing pieces of wood together is one thing, but rigging? When I get to rigging you folks are gonna watch me shed some tears for sure.... And use sailor's language. I just hope I can come close to the many ship builders here, you included! Edited January 27, 2014 by cookster mobbsie 1 Quote Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippwj Posted January 28, 2014 Share #896 Posted January 28, 2014 And use sailor's language. I just hope I can come close to the many ship builders here, you included! Surely you don't mean to imply that Mobbsie would use such language as to peel paint from a barnacle???? :D :D Looks good there, Mobbsie. Very impressive! mobbsie 1 Quote WayneNeither should a ship rely on one small anchor, nor should life rest on a single hope.Epictetus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookster Posted January 28, 2014 Share #897 Posted January 28, 2014 Tripp, I would never imply Mobbsie would do any such thing.... Myself on the other hand? Yes, I'm afraid so.... trippwj and mobbsie 2 Quote Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share #898 Posted January 28, 2014 I have to admit gents that I have made milk curdle quite often so we have no shortage of yogurt at home, with a little practice I reckon I could strip paint which would be most beneficial right now. Just as a quick verbal update I am currently putting the shroud cleats on the Mizzen and Main masts, no information in either the manual or sheet plans so that called for a quick email to Jotika, the answer came the same day and was really comprehensive. For anybody waiting for Caldercrafts HMS Surprise to come out, it should be out later this year, Jotika have stepped up their production with new machinery and workshops, I know we've heard it all before but this time I think I believe them. Be Good mobbsie gjdale, Sjors, cookster and 5 others 8 Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted February 12, 2014 Share #899 Posted February 12, 2014 For anybody waiting for Caldercrafts HMS Surprise to come out, it should be out later this year, Jotika have stepped up their production with new machinery and workshops, I know we've heard it all before but this time I think I believe them. Be Good mobbsie Hi Mobbsie - that is very interesting news...I'm now in a bit of a bind because that might coincide well with when I'm likely to get my Snake finished. I had my heart set on the Aggie but the Surprise could be the new front runner! mobbsie 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mort stoll Posted February 13, 2014 Share #900 Posted February 13, 2014 Great news. Have you heard anything about their 74? Mort Quote Current Build - Caldercraft Victory Completed - Artesiana Latina Swift, Harvey, MGS Prince de Neufchatel, Imai USS Susquehanna, Mamoli Constitution, Rattlesnake per Hunt Practium, Caldercraft Snake, Diana, Kammerlander Duke William Waiting to be Launched - Bluejacket Constitution Proud member of The New Jersey Ship Model Society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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