Licorne 1755 by mtaylor - 3/16" scale - French Frigate - from Hahn plans - Version 2.0 - TERMINATED

[dgbot]

As the saying goes fat, happy, and sassy.  Thanksgiving to me is not about the food but about family getting together and giving thanks for what god has given them.  I did not have to travel to my sisters this time so I was able to enjoy myself and not get tired.  It was great to see relatives again especially when they are scattered across the country.  I lost 40lbs sinceJan. so I became a glutton for turkey and ham.  My brother in law does a great smoked turkey.  One bite and you are hooked.  I am paying for it at the moment.

David B 

Edited November 29, 2014 by dgbot

[ianmajor]

Mark,

 

Whilst you were singing did you get to play with the pencils on the "Group W" bench?

 

Not to forget  - nice work on the ship.

[gjdale]

Mark,

 

Whilst you were singing did you get to play with the pencils on the "Group W" bench?

 

Not to forget  - nice work on the ship.

I want to see the "27 eight by ten colour glossy photographs with the circles and arrows explaining what each one was" !

[mtaylor]

Thanks for the "likes" and the comments.

 

As for the song... 

 

1) Nope, I didn't get to play with the pencils.  No bench and no pencils around.

 

2) No pictures, Grant, unless you have a seeing eye dog. 

 

Back to sorting out the stern.... and trying not to pull my hair out.

[NenadM]

You probably have some hair to pull .. I don't .... I heard it helps ...

[mtaylor]

I've often heard that that it's not about the destination but the journey that's important.  I agree but this journey is currently being measured in inches and not miles. 

 

I added the timbers the taffrail will sit on and worked up and installed the two outer timbers for the counter. The whole stern area was then rough faired.  Final fairing will be just before planking. 

 

The taffrail timber needs to be shaped after cutting loose the stern (the red curved line).  I still have a lot of shaping to that curve and most can be done while it's in frame and on the build board but I need to set up the rest of the stern framing.   This will be filling in the area between the final cant frame and the stern frames with framing for mounting the quarter galleries and the hatchway from the Great Cabin.   I'm have some ideas on how to do this as this another area that Hahn is a little vague on how to do.

 

Anyway enough out of me, here's the photos.   Feel free to click on and enlarge them to see everything in horrible detail.   

 

 

 

[JPett]

Ahoy Mark  

 

REALLY "horrible detail"  . 

 

I see lots of detail, none of it however fits that description 

[augie]

Curve is going to turn out just fine.  Very nice.

[Jim Lad]

Stop selling yourself short, Mark.  She's looking first class.

 

John

[gjdale]

Yup, wot he said!  Nice rear end Mark  

[popeye the sailor]

looking super Mark!  I too agree that the curve should clean up quite nicely    

[Cap'n Rat Fink]

Looking real good my friend!

 

mario

[SkerryAmp]

Horrible Detail? PFFFFT!!!  That will be enough of that!

 

Curve looks just fine!!  Nicely done!

[mtaylor]

Thanks for the likes and comments.

 

 

Ahoy Mark

 

REALLY "horrible detail"  . 

 

I see lots of detail, none of it however fits that description 

 

I saw it.. fixed it. The macro has it's advantages sometimes. 

 

Stop selling yourself short, Mark.  She's looking first class.

 

John

 

Thanks John.  I think I needed that kick in the pants.

[michael mott]

Mark, you are doing some very tricky woodwork there with lots of angles and curves, you are doing a fine job so don't be hard on yourself.

 

It is looking great.

 

Michael

[mobbsie]

All of the above and more besides Mark.

 

All I see is some wonderful workmanship. So Master Shipwright, lets have some more please.

 

Be Good

 

mobbsie

[Omega1234]

Hi Mark.  I agree with everyone....it looks damn fine!  In your case, the 'journey' and the 'destination' are definitely worthy of a big pat on the back!

 

Well done.

[WackoWolf]

I also agree with what has been said. You doing an excellent job, an inch there and another inch will get you all the way. Keep the updates and pictures coming.

[mtaylor]

Thank you for the "likes" and comments.  

 

So far, nothing I thought was "horrible' was.  Easily fixable once I got over the shock of seeing it blown up.

 

This is part that Hahn gives minimal help by "leaving it up the modeler to fit and finish".   Last time, his recommended method didn't work for me.  It involved running the deck clamp to the stern frames and then tying in a couple of vertical stringers.  It just didn't look right nor was my craftsmanship good enough to get it consistant and proper.   So here's the plan:

 

 

Inside the red area is where I'll be focused next.  I'm now going to cut a piece of 1/8" thick cherry to shape, thin it down to the thickness of the frame forward and taper to half thickness where it ties into the stern frame.  It's pretty much a straight line according to the plans from above.. I'll finesse it in and then cut the doorway before mounting it.   The top of the piece (green) is the cut line for when the ship is removed from the buildboard so that's the upper limit.  It needs to be deep enough to catch the deck clamp as I'll need to add a beam on the gun deck as well as the clamp near the top for the quarterdeck.  It should be a lot sturdier for planking the inside and the outside and strengthen that stern framing some.

 

The doing should be a lot simpler than the describing.  We shall see what we shall see on the 'morrow after I fair the inside of the stern timbers. 

Edited December 7, 2014 by mtaylor

[Sjors]

Yep, they are right......  

 

Sjors

[Mirabell61]

Mark,

 

a beautiful build, nice hull lines and fine framing work

 

Nils

[shipmodel]

Hi Mark - 

 

Good looking progress.  Your plan for the next step sounds right and should give you a stern that is accurate, true, and strong.  

 

I do wonder about the shape of the doorway to the quarter gallery.  In your drawing it looks much too angled, although this might be an artifact of the angles of the plan.  As a doorway it should be pretty much a rectangle with sides that are perpendicular to the waterline so they will be vertical when the ship is at rest.  

 

Of course, this is a very small nit and probably will not be visible in the completed model. 

 

Looking forward to seeing your continued excellent progress.

 

Dan

[augie]

Dan makes an interesting point.  The door seems to be at the kind of angle we're used to seeing on quarter gallery lights.  At this point I'm not sure what would be considered correct.  The plans seem pretty clear.

[NMBROOK]

Your build is coming on great Mark

Your plan regarding the stern should work OK,I would just leave a little 'meat' both sides for fairing.I have done similar on a few builds and built the stern up from 'fresh air' so to speak.I will be doing it again on Mordaunt as the kit lines end short of the original

 

Kind Regards

 

Nigel

[cog]

Mark,

 

That hiney really looks horrendous! I'm glad you're the only one who thinks so.

 

It seems Hahn's plans leave somewhat to be desired ... with his "modeler's fittings and finishes" So far you've made some good fits (and finishings)

[Dan Vadas]

Nice *** Mark .

 

  Danny

[GLakie]

LOL! :D   See?  While I was resisting the urge, Danny jumped right in there! :D

 

Cheers

Edited December 8, 2014 by GLakie

[S.Coleman]

I see what you mean. Had to read it a couple of times haha. I'm sure that your method will work out fine. Problem solved. The build looks great so far. I checked in on this build way back when the first frames were being built. Looks real good.

[mtaylor]

Thanks for the likes and comments.

 

Hi Mark - 

 

Good looking progress.  Your plan for the next step sounds right and should give you a stern that is accurate, true, and strong.  

 

I do wonder about the shape of the doorway to the quarter gallery.  In your drawing it looks much too angled, although this might be an artifact of the angles of the plan.  As a doorway it should be pretty much a rectangle with sides that are perpendicular to the waterline so they will be vertical when the ship is at rest.  

 

Of course, this is a very small nit and probably will not be visible in the completed model. 

 

Looking forward to seeing your continued excellent progress.

 

Dan

 

 

Dan makes an interesting point.  The door seems to be at the kind of angle we're used to seeing on quarter gallery lights.  At this point I'm not sure what would be considered correct.  The plans seem pretty clear.

 

Dan and Augie,

I think the doorway is canted like that due to the sheer of the deck.   There was a discussion of the Great Cabin in English ships recently that showed doorways the same way.   I am taking a hard look at the Belle Poule plans to see how her's were handled.  To my eye, there's just not that much sheer to compensate for.

 

Your build is coming on great Mark

Your plan regarding the stern should work OK,I would just leave a little 'meat' both sides for fairing.I have done similar on a few builds and built the stern up from 'fresh air' so to speak.I will be doing it again on Mordaunt as the kit lines end short of the original

 

Kind Regards

 

Nigel

 

Thanks Nigel, but that's already accounted for in the wood I'm using. 

 

Nice *** Mark .

 

  Danny

 

  Thanks Danny.  I needed that.. and also a new keyboard. 

Edited December 8, 2014 by mtaylor

[popeye the sailor]

Already got one........just christened it         {I knew you'd have this figured out}