Gregory Posted September 17, 2020 #991 Posted September 17, 2020 Big tease.. Canute, chris watton, Nirvana and 3 others 6 “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon
Rustyj Posted September 17, 2020 #992 Posted September 17, 2020 42 minutes ago, Gregory said: Big tease.. That may be a bit of an understatement! Nirvana, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
Chuck Seiler Posted September 17, 2020 #993 Posted September 17, 2020 600MM. What is that in real length? Nirvana, Canute, BobG and 2 others 5 Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop
JeffT Posted September 17, 2020 #994 Posted September 17, 2020 Nice. Getting some popcorn Nirvana, Canute and BobG 3 Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard
amateur Posted September 17, 2020 #995 Posted September 17, 2020 21 minutes ago, Chuck Seiler said: 600MM. What is that in real length? 0.60 meters Jan Jonny 007, Canute, Nirvana and 9 others 12
Edwardkenway Posted September 17, 2020 #996 Posted September 17, 2020 30 minutes ago, Chuck Seiler said: 600MM. What is that in real length? 7 minutes ago, amateur said: 0.60 meters Jan 60cm or 2ft 😉 Ryland Craze, BobG, Canute and 3 others 6 Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 - on hold HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64 - FINISHED Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - FINISHED Providence whaleboat- 1:25 - FINISHED Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED
chris watton Posted September 17, 2020 Author #997 Posted September 17, 2020 Almost 24 inches for the hull. Have to be careful, as the kits are designed for almost anyone to have a go. What I always have to think of is fragile parts, and how will the non expert modellers fare, a thin line between enjoyment of building and utter frustration. But the pics show more or less what I have in mind for my larger kits, will have to see how the stern holds up to some rough treatment, though, as I know some will moan when they break something.. I cut these parts this morning, actually, I cut two whole sets with slightly different designs for the forecastle and quarterdeck beams, and the one shown proved to be much easier to construct, so that may be what I shall go with, with those beams being spaced to scale. ccoyle, BobG, Canute and 11 others 14 Vanguard Models on Facebook
glbarlow Posted September 17, 2020 #998 Posted September 17, 2020 Fascinating to watch a design get developed. I agree about the risk point of the stern Frames. They do seem a bit fragile, maybe include a few spares in the kit. Canute, BobG, Rik Thistle and 2 others 5 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Royal Barge, Medway Long Boat Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose
chris watton Posted September 17, 2020 Author #999 Posted September 17, 2020 24 minutes ago, glbarlow said: Fascinating to watch a design get developed. I agree about the risk point of the stern Frames. They do seem a bit fragile, maybe include a few spares in the kit. I think I will keep stern frames as is, as I would like the modeller have the option of fitting out that area if they so wished. If they are all solid (but completely fool-proof), then it's a lot of work to try and mod that area. Better to meet half way, allow the modders a fighting chance whilst also allowing the general model maker to sand the area for the stern fascia with minimum risk of breaking anything - so the frames are a lot deeper that they should be, scale-wise. Oh yes, also I shall add coamings and gratings for that lower/berth deck But, I must stop this now and concentrate on the Duchess of Kingston manual, which shouldn't take too long thanks to Jim. Richard44, mtaylor, dkuehn and 11 others 14 Vanguard Models on Facebook
dkuehn Posted September 18, 2020 #1000 Posted September 18, 2020 6 hours ago, chris watton said: Well, you've got one sold already. 😀 BobG, hollowneck, DelF and 15 others 17 1
Chuck Seiler Posted September 18, 2020 #1001 Posted September 18, 2020 6 hours ago, amateur said: 0.60 meters Touche' mtaylor, BobG, Jonny 007 and 5 others 8 Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop
Chuck Seiler Posted September 19, 2020 #1002 Posted September 19, 2020 On 9/17/2020 at 11:41 AM, chris watton said: I started designs on my first medium/large development (a littler larger than a Fly type kit), I don't believe you named the model. Will it be a ship-rigged sloop LIKE the FLY, different class? ...or something else? mtaylor, chris watton and Canute 3 Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop
chris watton Posted September 19, 2020 Author #1003 Posted September 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chuck Seiler said: I don't believe you named the model. Will it be a ship-rigged sloop LIKE the FLY, different class? ...or something else? It is ship rigged, armed with 20 x 9-pounders, Fly (Swan Class) had 16 x 6 pounders plus swivels, as built. Am sure many have already worked out the name and class.. JeffT, BenD, hollowneck and 7 others 10 Vanguard Models on Facebook
BenD Posted September 19, 2020 #1004 Posted September 19, 2020 HMS Sphinx - 6th rate The excitement is palpable. dkuehn, chris watton, Jonny 007 and 3 others 6 Ropes of Scale.com - Rope and cable for the scale modeler. Finished builds: HM Cutter Sherbourne - Caldercraft - 1:64 - 9th century longship - Falkonet - 1:72 Current builds: HMS Snake - Caldercraft - 1:64 - Tender Avos by BenD - Master Korabel - 1:72 - 19th Century Four-Oared Yawl by BenD - Falkonet - 1:24 scale
chris watton Posted September 20, 2020 Author #1005 Posted September 20, 2020 Yep, HMS Sphynx, will be my 7th kit, a real step up in size and complexity. Am laser cutting 2nd lot of 'pre-prototype parts now. I thought the 1mm pear for ladder sides, especially double layered, looked a trifle thick. I ordered a batch of 0.6mm pear sheet (more expensive, but prefer things to look more in scale), and designed and just laser cut a pair of ladders for the orlop and mid deck hatch. All ladders will be designed to suit each hatch opening. I copied the ladder profile from the original plans. jpalmer1970, realworkingsailor, VonHoldinghausen and 24 others 27 Vanguard Models on Facebook
glbarlow Posted September 20, 2020 #1006 Posted September 20, 2020 Ahh the secret is out. I get the first one, well the second one after James puts us all to shame. 😁 chris watton, mtaylor, RichardG and 4 others 7 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Royal Barge, Medway Long Boat Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose
Chuck Seiler Posted September 20, 2020 #1007 Posted September 20, 2020 Excellent!!! Thanks. Looking forward to it. Canute, mtaylor and chris watton 3 Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop
chris watton Posted September 20, 2020 Author #1008 Posted September 20, 2020 OK, am now fully up to date with the Duchess of Kingston manual, not much left to do on that. So today I cut the second 'pre-prototype' Sphinx parts, which have quite a few little changes from the first. One of which is making sure the bowsprit sits correctly when added. Still only MDF for most parts. Gun deck is split into halves. I did try bending a complete deck into position on the first prototype, but only managed to damage the bulkhead tabs. Nothing is glued at all at this stage, just checking critical alignments. In fact, I shall recommend that nothing is glued until the 2mm lower/birth deck is in place. The upper tabs look vulnerable, but the gun port 'stringers' are added (3mm MDF) once the gun deck is in place, making them a lot stronger as they connect to every single bulkhead. In fact, because the deck is in two halves, they could be added before fitting the deck... Murphy, Ronald-V, VonHoldinghausen and 33 others 36 Vanguard Models on Facebook
Kevin Posted September 20, 2020 #1009 Posted September 20, 2020 lovely work Chris hollowneck, chris watton, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat
Wahka_est Posted September 20, 2020 #1010 Posted September 20, 2020 Have to add that to do list... What would be the finished model dimensions Chris? chris watton, mtaylor and Canute 3
VTHokiEE Posted September 20, 2020 #1011 Posted September 20, 2020 Looks really awesome! I really am amazed that you can do all these developments this relatively quickly “on the side.” Sphynx looks really impressive! Looking forward to seeing her development unfold (and then James build her hopefully). mtaylor, Canute, Rik Thistle and 2 others 5 Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG)
glbarlow Posted September 20, 2020 #1012 Posted September 20, 2020 One of the things I like about Speedy and Flirt is the close distance between bulkheads, especially at the bow, there seems to be more the traditional kit spacing on these. Or maybe it’s just my imagination. mtaylor and Canute 2 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Royal Barge, Medway Long Boat Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose
chris watton Posted September 20, 2020 Author #1013 Posted September 20, 2020 Don't know finished dimensions, haven't looked at masts and yards yet, as I have only just started. I know the hull is around 605mm without any spars. Am figuring about 770/780mm overall length, as there's no mizzen gaff boom jutting out from the stern (being 1775) No Jim for this one, am on my own, as Jim has the Amati Victory to do, the two timer! ccoyle, Duanelaker, Canute and 5 others 8 Vanguard Models on Facebook
chris watton Posted September 20, 2020 Author #1014 Posted September 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, glbarlow said: One of the things I like about Speedy and Flirt is the close distance between bulkheads, especially at the bow, there seems to be more the traditional kit spacing on these. Or maybe it’s just my imagination. Gun port spacing hollowneck, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Vanguard Models on Facebook
ASAT Posted September 20, 2020 #1015 Posted September 20, 2020 Brilliantly executed Chris! Amazing that her complexity will be reproduced by the nature of the design and not as dependent upon the modelers skill. Absolutely cutting edge, next generation advancement of ship modeling. I am thinking this design concept will revolutionize the possibility for the modeler to produce excellent results and also allow more modelers to undertake more complex ship kits. I wonder how many kits it will take before every other designer/manufacturer will be “outdated” or obsolete? 😀 This has to be the most significant leap forward I have seen in my 25 ish years in the hobby! Lou, In Pleasant View Harvey by ASAT- AL Scale 1:50 - Kitbash Fair American by ASAT - LSS Craftsman Plus https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23121-revenge-1577-by-asat-amati-164/
VTHokiEE Posted September 20, 2020 #1016 Posted September 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, chris watton said: No Jim for this one, am on my own, as Jim has the Amati Victory to do, the two timer! Traitor! (J/k of course 😁) chris watton and Canute 2 Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG)
chris watton Posted September 20, 2020 Author #1017 Posted September 20, 2020 Cheers ASAT. I don't know know, though, I love Chuck and CAF's models, they are great, and lot more technical than mine. But I try to design with the novice in mind, and hope they can build something that looks great out of the box without too much 'kit bashing', like we're used to with the older mainstream kits. ETA - Forgot to mention, bulkheads and bow/stern patterns are thicker MDF and keel is 3mm, to be clad either side, like Duchess of Kingston for etched details and rabbets. BobG, st george, VTHokiEE and 6 others 9 Vanguard Models on Facebook
VTHokiEE Posted September 20, 2020 #1018 Posted September 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, chris watton said: I love Chuck and CAF's models, they are great, and lot more technical than mine. It’s wonderful they all exist - such variety and choice! Even including other makers too... I think it’s great to have so many options. Edit - Very grateful for your novice approach. I don’t think I would’ve been as happy with a first “serious” build. Canute, chris watton and BobG 3 Current Build: HM Sloop Echo 1781 (First Scratch Build) Previous Builds: HM Cutter Alert, Sharpie Schooner, Chesapeake Bay Flattie, Half-Hull (NRG)
ASAT Posted September 20, 2020 #1019 Posted September 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, chris watton said: Cheers ASAT. I don't know know, though, I love Chuck and CAF's models, they are great, and lot more technical than mine. But I try to design with the novice in mind, and hope they can build something that looks great out of the box without too much 'kit bashing', like we're used to with the older mainstream kits. I love the diversity and their efforts are stellar no doubt, but this is new, refreshing and exciting potential and seems to me a very creative and original application of the latest technologies - I am joyful that our hobby is in such capable hands!! All of them!! Lou, In Pleasant View Harvey by ASAT- AL Scale 1:50 - Kitbash Fair American by ASAT - LSS Craftsman Plus https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23121-revenge-1577-by-asat-amati-164/
ErnieL Posted September 29, 2020 #1020 Posted September 29, 2020 Sphinx will be impressive. I was gonna say a 28 but I’ll take any frigate Canute, mtaylor and chris watton 3 On the bench: Vanguard Models 1/64 HMS Speedy On Deck: Vanguard Models 1/64 Zulu, Vanguard Models 1/64 Fifie, Victory Models 1/72 HMS Bellerophon
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