Stuntflyer Posted November 18, 2017 #1 Posted November 18, 2017 Welcome to my Winchelsea build which will be done alongside Hayling. It will be based on Chuck's version II design. I have chosen to build the ship mainly from Cherry. It will be a P.O.B. model, using the laser cut parts and mini-kits that Chuck will offer. This will be a fun build for me and I'm looking forward to the many challenges that are ahead. The build starts with making the Knee of the Head from Chuck's laser cut kit. Cherry, being a softer wood than Boxwood, cuts somewhat cleaner and the pieces fit together quite nicely. Only a gentle scraping with a #11 blade was needed to remove the loose char. I used a #2b pencil to darken all the joints (optional) which were then joined with Elmer's Carpenter's Wood Glue. No clamping was necessary. The upper area from the stem down to the forward edge of the bobstay piece was gradually tapered from 3/16" to 3/32". The bobstay holes and gammon slot edges were softened as well. Mike Seventynet, matiz, Old Collingwood and 24 others 27 Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
albert Posted November 18, 2017 #2 Posted November 18, 2017 Great start Mike, and very good work. Stuntflyer, Old Collingwood, Canute and 3 others 6
Seventynet Posted November 18, 2017 #3 Posted November 18, 2017 I’m pulling up a chair if you don’t mind Mike. Love your work and this frigate is on my list once I finish the Cheerful and some other kits. Has Chuck made the book and other parts for it available yet? Best regards, Ian Canute, Old Collingwood, Martin W and 3 others 6 Builds in progress - Speedwell - by Syren Ship Model Company Builds completed - Hayling Hoy - by David Antscherl - Naval Cutter Cheerful - by Syren Ship Model Company - Cape Cod Catboat - by Bluejacket - Gokstad - by Dusek - Ship's Boat - by Dusek - Brazzera - by MarisStella
Mirabell61 Posted November 18, 2017 #4 Posted November 18, 2017 Hi Mike, I wish you all the best with this build, its a beautiful ship.... Nils Canute, Martin W, Seventynet and 4 others 7 Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
Stuntflyer Posted November 18, 2017 Author #5 Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) Thanks, guys! Nils: I agree that it is a very beautiful ship. Ian: Check with Chuck on this as I have not spoken to him in the last week or so. Mike Edited November 18, 2017 by Stuntflyer Old Collingwood, Seventynet, FrankWouts and 4 others 7 Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
KenW Posted November 19, 2017 #6 Posted November 19, 2017 Looking good Mike. I'm interested, maybe, in this kit as well. I'll enjoy watching this build progressing. Good luck. Canute, mtaylor, Old Collingwood and 3 others 6 Ken NO PIRACY 4 ME! (SUPPORTING CHUCKS' IDEA) Current Build: Washington 1776 Galley Completed Builds: Pilot Boat Mary (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Continental Boat Providence (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Continental Ship Independence (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Rattlesnake (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build) Armed Virginia Sloop (from Completed Gallery) Fair American (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build Log) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey Nautical Research Guild
Old Collingwood Posted November 19, 2017 #7 Posted November 19, 2017 Very interesting build, if you dont mind I will bring my chair and take a seat to follow this, I am too building a period frigate in the Kit build section HMS Greyhound 1721 sixth rate 20 gun frigate. OC. Stuntflyer, Martin W, Canute and 1 other 4 Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
wyz Posted November 19, 2017 #8 Posted November 19, 2017 Oh yes, I have a thing for frigates of this period so I too will be pulling up a chair. If the build quality of Winchelsea comes out as well as Cheerful or Hayling this should be one awesome model. Mike, two models going at once? Did you retire? Why cherry wood and how did you get it laser cut? Did you consider any other woods, like Castello boxwood or Swiss pear? On Chuck's Syren website I didn't see any Winchelsea parts in the laser cut section. Do you have a special arrangement with him to build a prototype of what he will offer in the future? Stuntflyer, Old Collingwood, MEDDO and 4 others 7
Stuntflyer Posted November 19, 2017 Author #9 Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) Thank you all! Tom, I'm semi-retired which gives me time to build almost every day. I considered boxwood which of course is great to work with, but I wouldn't be able to use Chuck's laser cut parts. Chuck did not approach me with the idea to build a prototype. I have always liked the Winchelsea and when I mentioned my wanting to build her, he suggested that I wait until version II was finalized. He happened to have had the head knee parts available for me to try out. Mike Edited December 1, 2017 by Stuntflyer Ryland Craze, Rustyj, Martin W and 8 others 11 Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Tigersteve Posted November 20, 2017 #10 Posted November 20, 2017 Looking forward to see this one take shape. Steve mtaylor, Old Collingwood, Canute and 2 others 5 Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways
Old Collingwood Posted November 22, 2017 #11 Posted November 22, 2017 Mike are you going to have to make your beak from scratch? the reason I ask - I would like to have a go at scratch building one for my 1/100 scale HMS Greyhound, as the one that comes in the box is a ruff metal one, I just dont kno the first place to start as my scratch building experience is very limited. OC. FrankWouts, Martin W, Canute and 1 other 4 Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
Stuntflyer Posted February 18, 2018 Author #12 Posted February 18, 2018 Snowy nights are a perfect time to get back into the workshop. The bulkhead former is now in one piece. These laser cut parts were joined with Elmer's Carpenter glue without any prior sanding on the joints. A slab of flat marble was used to rest the parts on while the glue set. The bearding line is laser etched into one side of the former. I traced the line and transferred its shape to the other side using graphite paper. The rabbet is 1/16" x 3/32" strip which was cut from 3/32" boxwood sheet. The fore side was moistened and heat bent into shape with a blow dryer. Since the former is rather long the rabbet strip was made in two pieces joined with an angle joint for strength. This joint also makes it easy to align the next section, simply by slipping it under the first section. The completed rabbet with a small section also added to the aft area of the former. Mike Bluto 1790, robdurant, Rustyj and 15 others 18 Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Chuck Posted February 18, 2018 #13 Posted February 18, 2018 Looks good....but check those plans....the rabbet strip doesnt extend that far aft.... Canute, Martin W, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY
Stuntflyer Posted February 18, 2018 Author #14 Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) Yup! Got it. I will use the the additional length to guide me while shaping the bearding line and then remove it afterwards. Mike Edited February 18, 2018 by Stuntflyer Martin W, russ, Rustyj and 7 others 10 Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Stuntflyer Posted February 19, 2018 Author #15 Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) I managed to complete the bearding line today. The wood is easy to work with, using just a coarse file and some medium grit sandpaper. The rabbet will be shortened as Chuck described above when I attach the aft section of the four section keel. Mike Edited February 19, 2018 by Stuntflyer Chuck, CaptMorgan, Canute and 13 others 16 Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Stuntflyer Posted February 20, 2018 Author #16 Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) I Added knee assembly to the bulkhead former. Some shaping was necessary in order to get a nice fit around the rabbet. Next I added the four section keel. You should be able to see where I removed a short section of the rabbet to accommodate the aft most keel section. Mike Edited February 21, 2018 by Stuntflyer russ, Chuck, alde and 19 others 22 Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Rustyj Posted February 20, 2018 #17 Posted February 20, 2018 Very nice start Mike. Good tight fit. FrankWouts, mtaylor, Stuntflyer and 1 other 4 Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
Stuntflyer Posted February 21, 2018 Author #18 Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) In preparation for making the false keel, the keel bottom was sanded 90° to its adjacent edge and smooth across its bottom face. To do this, I first raised the bulkhead former/keel assembly off the flat surface with 1/4" flat sheet. I used a square sanding block, gliding along the flat surface of the board to sand the edge. The false keel was ripped on the table saw from some scrap Cheery that I had lying around. It's made in three sections joined with what I think is called a "Harris joint". As you can see, I located the joint far enough away from the keel joint. In preparation for adding the bulkheads I made the build board that will hold everything upright and straight. Mike Edited February 21, 2018 by Stuntflyer Ryland Craze, rafine, druxey and 21 others 24 Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
druxey Posted February 21, 2018 #19 Posted February 21, 2018 Cheery wood?I like that! Seriously, the backbone looks good. And yes, those are 'Harris cut' joints on the false keel. Canute, FrankWouts, paulsutcliffe and 4 others 7 Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
Maury S Posted February 21, 2018 #20 Posted February 21, 2018 The Fair American (Lauck Street) kit used cherry for the frames. It's been about 7 years since I finished it and the wood has aged beautifully. Maury FrankWouts, Stuntflyer, Canute and 2 others 5 Current diversion: Anchor Hoy c 1815 - 1825 1:48 scale Recent Builds: Fair American: 18th C. Longboat: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/2284-longboat-18th-c-by-maury-modelshipways-by-chuck/ Echo Cross Section: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/513-echo-cross-section-by-maury/ Emma C. Berry http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/203-emma-c-berry-132-pof-by-maury/
Stuntflyer Posted February 22, 2018 Author #21 Posted February 22, 2018 (edited) Made a bit more progress today by simulating the lower stem and keel bolts. Holes were drilled with a #76 bit and filled with .017 black monofilament and PVA glue. I'm not a big fan of CA as it has a tendency to discolor the wood. I anxious to see what the Cherry will look like after a coat of W-O-P. I should know soon enough. Mike Edited February 22, 2018 by Stuntflyer russ, Rustyj, Captain Poison and 25 others 28 Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Chuck Posted February 22, 2018 #22 Posted February 22, 2018 Nicely done Mike. Chuck Canute, Maury S, robdurant and 3 others 6 Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY
dvm27 Posted February 22, 2018 #23 Posted February 22, 2018 Lovely work, Mike. There's something about this hull that has always appealed to me. Lot's of planking ahead! wyz, robdurant, mtaylor and 4 others 7 GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752
Stuntflyer Posted March 12, 2018 Author #24 Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) Hello everyone! Since my last post I have been contemplating whether or not my using Cherry as the primary wood was the right choice for me. No doubt some beautiful ships have been built from Cherry, but I really prefer the look of boxwood. I thought about removing just the knee and keel assembly, but quickly ruled that out. The problem being that it would be difficult aligning those new parts to the already assembled bulkhead former/bulkhead assembly. This meant that I would have to start over from the beginning. So, over the last few weeks I have managed to re-build her with boxwood. Right now, 3/16" laser cut boxwood kits are not being offered for the Winnie. The nine pieces making up the knee parts were scratched from 3/16" boxwood sheet. The mill came in handy for making the bobstay holes and gammon slot. I'm going with copper bolts this time. Blackening will be done later. Large blocks were used to handle any slight twists in the bulkheads while at the same time keeping the structure straight. The two lower platforms were added as well. Mike Edited March 12, 2018 by Stuntflyer Erik W, Martin W, albert and 32 others 35 Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Tigersteve Posted March 12, 2018 #25 Posted March 12, 2018 Oh well, Mike, I was looking forward to seeing the cherry version of this, but I am still happy to follow the construction of your boxwood version. Steve Canute, FrankWouts, Stuntflyer and 3 others 6 Current: Mayflower- Model Shipways Completed: Lowell Grand Banks Dory- Model Shipways English Pinnace- Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat- Model Shipways
Stuntflyer Posted March 12, 2018 Author #26 Posted March 12, 2018 Well, Steve, I certainly wouldn't discourage anyone from using Cherry. Of course, one would get all those great mini-kits from Chuck too. Mike FrankWouts, Martin W, Tigersteve and 2 others 5 Current build - Sloop Speedwell 1752 (POF) Completed builds - 18 Century Longboat (POB) , HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 (POB), HMS Winchelsea 1764 (POB) Member: Ship Model Society of New Jersey
Rustyj Posted March 12, 2018 #27 Posted March 12, 2018 Hi Mike. Having done her in boxwood I understand your change. Great job on the joints on the Knee of the Head too. Stuntflyer, FrankWouts, Canute and 1 other 4 Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
dvm27 Posted March 12, 2018 #28 Posted March 12, 2018 Looks terrific, Mike. I also prefer the boxwood but understand the economics of offering the kit in cherry. Martin W, wyz, mtaylor and 3 others 6 GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752
SJSoane Posted March 12, 2018 #29 Posted March 12, 2018 Very nice joinery on the stem, Mike. FrankWouts, Stuntflyer, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
ChrisLBren Posted March 12, 2018 #30 Posted March 12, 2018 (edited) Really nice work on the stem Mike ! I would encourage you to experiment with finishes other than Wipe On Poly - it's easy to apply - but there are better finishes available in my opinion. Im looking forward to following your progress ! Edited March 12, 2018 by ChrisLBren Stuntflyer, Tigersteve, Rustyj and 3 others 6
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