allanyed Posted May 19, 2022 Share #31 Posted May 19, 2022 The kit looks great! Where do the curved name pieces go? By the shape I am guessing the stern. By order of the Admiralty names were not permitted on the sterns before 1780 or after 1790 and well into the 18th century. We have seen exceptions but the only two contemporary paintings I could find of her do not have the name on the stern that I can see so I am assuming (I know, that is not usually a smart thing to do) that in 1794 there should be no name. https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-109649 is one example. Allan Bill Morrison and thibaultron 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted May 19, 2022 Author Share #32 Posted May 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, allanyed said: The kit looks great! Where do the curved name pieces go? By the shape I am guessing the stern. By order of the Admiralty names were not permitted on the sterns before 1780 or after 1790 and well into the 18th century. We have seen exceptions but the only two contemporary paintings I could find of her do not have the name on the stern that I can see so I am assuming (I know, that is not usually a smart thing to do) that in 1794 there should be no name. https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-109649 is one example. Allan In all fairness, can that engraving be trusted as evidence? After all, it shows round gun ports on the quarter too. Also all main gun deck ports seems to be lidded on that illustration. Bill Morrison, thibaultron, hollowneck and 1 other 4 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted May 19, 2022 Share #33 Posted May 19, 2022 Indy had a very active 20 year career as a razee, I just wanted to cover all the bases. As it is a wooden model kit, those can build it and add or leave off what they wish, depending on the time frame they want to model the kit in. I have that picture above, the only accurate detail of Indy is the position of the quarter galleries. Dave_E, thibaultron, Gregory and 2 others 5 Quote Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted May 19, 2022 Share #34 Posted May 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Vane said: It looks like the Hornblower TV series used a completely different ship! The real Indy would have been double the size! Bill Morrison, hollowneck, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted May 19, 2022 Share #35 Posted May 19, 2022 Good points gentlemen. As with any model, the builder can do as they please even if it is non-conventional. My apologies for bringing it up, just thought it might have been of interest to some folks. Allan Dave_E and thibaultron 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnBirdseye Posted May 19, 2022 Share #36 Posted May 19, 2022 Chris, the wife's going to kill me when i show her this 😄 I have to say she really does have beautiful lines. Just hope i can clear the decks for when she's launched . Bill Morrison, Dave_E, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted May 19, 2022 Author Share #37 Posted May 19, 2022 This photo gives a rough idea of the size of Indefatigable to Amati's 1:64 Victory. Vane, realworkingsailor, JeffT and 22 others 13 12 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouija2006 Posted May 19, 2022 Share #38 Posted May 19, 2022 What is it's length in millimeters? Thanks! thibaultron 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted May 19, 2022 Author Share #39 Posted May 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, Ouija2006 said: What is it's length in millimeters? Thanks! Hull length is around 880mm, I'm told. (minus bowsprit) Bill Morrison, Old Collingwood, thibaultron and 3 others 6 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted May 19, 2022 Share #40 Posted May 19, 2022 34 minutes ago, Ouija2006 said: What is it's length in millimeters? Thanks! Err, welcome to MSW, first post! Dave_E, mtaylor, Old Collingwood and 5 others 5 3 Quote Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouija2006 Posted May 19, 2022 Share #41 Posted May 19, 2022 Many thanks hollowneck, thibaultron, Dave_E and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted May 19, 2022 Author Share #42 Posted May 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, Ouija2006 said: Many thanks No probs, John. thibaultron, hollowneck, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vane Posted May 19, 2022 Share #43 Posted May 19, 2022 2 hours ago, James H said: This photo gives a rough idea of the size of Indefatigable to Amati's 1:64 Victory. chris watton, Old Collingwood, Bill Morrison and 14 others 1 16 Quote Current builds: HMS Victory (Corel 1:98), HMS Snake (Caldercraft 1:64), HMBV Granado (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Diana (Caldercraft 1:64), HMS Speedy (Vanguard Models 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted May 19, 2022 Share #44 Posted May 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, Vane said: Brilliant! Made me chuckle! And here is Indy next to the Speedy! JeffT, BobG, Theodosius and 29 others 21 2 9 Quote Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Greig Posted May 20, 2022 Share #45 Posted May 20, 2022 Very exciting times for folks that are interested in top of the line ship designs and kits. I'll be buying this one and very much looking forward to building it. regards and good luck to James and Chris for this huge project. Malcolm chris watton, Dave_E, thibaultron and 5 others 8 Quote Completed builds; Caldercraft Mars; Vanguard Alert, Amati Revenge On the shelf; Vanguard DOK & the Sphinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECK Posted May 20, 2022 Share #46 Posted May 20, 2022 I concur. Waiting for this and the Victory to come out. Will keep me busy for a few years. hollowneck, chris watton, Bill Morrison and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Dow Tea Posted May 21, 2022 Share #47 Posted May 21, 2022 On 5/19/2022 at 9:55 AM, Vane said: It looks like the Hornblower TV series used a completely different ship! I have the book about the ships and models used in the Hornblower series. The ship used was Grand Turk, now called Étoile du Roy. If you believe Wikipedia the overall length of Grand Turk is 8 feet less than the length of Indefatigable's gundeck. I have been wanting to build the Indy ever since watching the series, so this will be very interesting. Bill Morrison, mtaylor, hollowneck and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share #48 Posted May 24, 2022 Work has now begun. First, the obligatory disposable cradle shot 😃 Indy certainly isn't short of bulkheads. There are 18 in total, with #9 midships being a double layer bulkhead. There are no bevel marks on Indy. They simply aren't needed for a kit of this level. Fairing will be an easy task. All bulkheads are 4mm MDF, as is the keel. The keel slots are numbered too so you get things in the right place. Indy is a strange build in that practically all you see in this update, with the exception of lower deck/orlop detail, can be assembled initially with no glue. All bulkheads you see being added here are put into position as such. Now this is where the magic happens. Once all bulkheads (apart from #1, #2, #15, #16, #17 and #18 because they aren't needed yet) are slotted into their position, these keel doublers are added, bulking out the keel to 12mm! What these do is to hold the bulkheads in their exact position. while pegs slot through the holes to lock everything into position. Zero glue apart from the pegs themselves. Bulkheads #15, #16 and #17 are now added because the fairing parts will now lock them into position as with the other bulkheads. Bulkheads #1 and #2 are now fitted, but NO GLUE at this time. The fairing patterns are now added. You will see these as No.s 37, 38 and 39. Like the others, these are pegged into place. Is there an orlop deck? There certainly is. This is it 😆 Nothing more is needed. In fact, you'll probably not even see this without an endoscope. This part is glued into place. The 3mm MDF sub deck is now fitted. Care needs to be taken around the bulkhead ears. You should have no problem....just don't go charging in. To fit this, I ran some Titebond down the 12mm wide keel centreline. Nothing here needed to be weighted down or pinned. It fit perfectly with a reassuring push. Pegs are now pushed into position which give a further aid to making sure everything is level. At this stage, things look like this: bruce d, bolin, fake johnbull and 36 others 31 8 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share #49 Posted May 24, 2022 This photo shows the standard ply engraved section for the lower deck. As I've said, you'll be hard pressed to see this stuff, unless you're an ant that's crawled in. But in case you are, or have that endoscope I mentioned, the detail is there in part. Here you see the ply engraved part along with the optional maple deck section which I have opted to use for this build. The deck section is now glued into place. Two, 2-part grates are now built and added. And of course, you'll need some steps down to the dinky orlop deck. These two beams are now added, again without glue. These two beams hole them firmly in place and are located with two pegs each, glued into the slots. And lastly for this update, a whole raft of deck beams are fitted between those two longitudinal parts. Until next time! robdurant, realworkingsailor, BobG and 43 others 38 8 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigie65 Posted May 24, 2022 Share #50 Posted May 24, 2022 Wow you really get a sense of her size with the shots of the sub deck and your arm! Will be watching this closely, as like many other people here I am saving my pennies. Mind you Santa might be good to me this year………. mtaylor, CaptnBirdseye, Dave_E and 6 others 9 Quote Cheers Craig Current Build HMS Indefatigable Erycina - Vanguard Models Finished: HM Bomb Vessel Granado - Caldercraft, HMS Pegasus - Victory models, Nisha - Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share #51 Posted May 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Craigie65 said: Wow you really get a sense of her size with the shots of the sub deck and your arm! I was going to do these with just my hand at the end of the hull, but thought these gave a better sense of proportion! Ryland Craze, BobG, AJohnson and 8 others 11 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldsalt1950 Posted May 24, 2022 Share #52 Posted May 24, 2022 You'll be ready for planking soon at the rate you are going. hollowneck, thibaultron, Bill Morrison and 2 others 3 2 Quote Current Build: Fair American - Model Shipways Awaiting Parts - Rattlesnake On the Shelf - English Pinnace 18Th Century Longboat I stand firmly against piracy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn-UK Posted May 24, 2022 Share #53 Posted May 24, 2022 It great to see the innovations incorporated in this design. It looks like it is going to be an amazing model. Ryland Craze, Dave_E, DelF and 4 others 7 Quote Glenn (UK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted May 24, 2022 Share #54 Posted May 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, glennard2523 said: It great to see the innovations incorporated in this design. It looks like it is going to be an amazing model. I am sure ZHL of China will soon integrate these new designs into their next kits sometime soon.... Bill Morrison, ccoyle, BobG and 11 others 3 2 9 Quote Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn-UK Posted May 24, 2022 Share #55 Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, chris watton said: I am sure ZHL of China will soon integrate these new designs into their next kits sometime soon.... It's a pity you can't patent your idea's. Edited May 24, 2022 by glennard2523 thibaultron, mtaylor, Ryland Craze and 3 others 6 Quote Glenn (UK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldsalt1950 Posted May 24, 2022 Share #56 Posted May 24, 2022 Unfortunately, patents don't mean anything to the Chinese. thibaultron, Dave_E, ErnieL and 8 others 7 4 Quote Current Build: Fair American - Model Shipways Awaiting Parts - Rattlesnake On the Shelf - English Pinnace 18Th Century Longboat I stand firmly against piracy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenD Posted May 24, 2022 Share #57 Posted May 24, 2022 This isn't some easy kit to copy that has 6 bulkheads and a hand full of pre cut parts + White metal castings. I bet they would try though... Dave_E, hollowneck, Bill Morrison and 3 others 5 1 Quote Ropes of Scale.com - Rope and cable for the scale modeler. Finished builds: HM Cutter Sherbourne - Caldercraft - 1:64 - 9th century longship - Falkonet - 1:72 Current builds: HMS Snake - Caldercraft - 1:64 - Tender Avos by BenD - Master Korabel - 1:72 - 19th Century Four-Oared Yawl by BenD - Falkonet - 1:24 scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollowneck Posted May 24, 2022 Share #58 Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) On 5/19/2022 at 5:57 AM, chris watton said: The real Indy would have been double the size! Psych!🤯...easily TWICE. Oh well, creative license by film directors.. should I build this one with sails I'm planning on having a separate room to display her! (if one browses through my history of builds below, most of them are displayed in my home, so I am truly fortunate to have SPACE..."The Final Frontier...") Not bragging, just thankful. Edited May 24, 2022 by hollowneck grammar, added sentiments Ryland Craze, chris watton, thibaultron and 3 others 6 Quote Ron Director, Nautical Research Guild Secretary/Newsletter Editor, Philadelphia Ship Model Society Former Member/Secretary for the Connecticut Marine Model Society Current Build: Godspeed 2, (Wyoming, 6-masted Schooner) Completed Builds: HMS Grecian, HMS Sphinx (as HMS Camilla) Ongakuka Maru, (Higaki Kaisen, It Takes A Village), Le Tigre Privateer, HMS Swan, HMS Godspeed, HMS Ardent, HMS Diana, Russian brig Mercury, Elizabethan Warship Revenge, Xebec Syf'Allah, USF Confederacy, HMS Granado, USS Brig Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted May 24, 2022 Share #59 Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BenD said: This isn't some easy kit to copy that has 6 bulkheads and a hand full of pre cut parts + White metal castings. I bet they would try though... thats why ZHL are crap kits Edited May 24, 2022 by Kevin BenD, chris watton, scrubbyj427 and 7 others 10 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oboship Posted May 24, 2022 Share #60 Posted May 24, 2022 This build will be another Chris W / James H masterpiece! ErnieL, mtaylor, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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