gjdale Posted July 10, 2014 #361 Posted July 10, 2014 Looking very nice Mark. Shame about the broken frames, but nicely recovered. mtaylor 1 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
src Posted July 10, 2014 #362 Posted July 10, 2014 Mark looks really good to my eyes. David mentioned mini hacksaw blades, that made me think of airsaw blades. With just a little bit of modification they fit in a #3 Exacto handle. Sam mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise
Rustyj Posted July 10, 2014 #363 Posted July 10, 2014 Hi Mark. That is some really nice work on that framing as well as the repair work. It's always fun making more frames once you thought you were done huh? I also like being able to use the framing jig upside down and right side up. Did it a couple of times and thought it was great. mtaylor 1 Quote Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
mtaylor Posted July 11, 2014 Author #364 Posted July 11, 2014 Thanks Rusty and Grant. I'm firm believer in Murphy and "crap happens" so being prepared for re-do's and do-over's and repairs is part of the building process. David and Sam, Saw blades in abundance, I have. My current favorite for this work is the one that X-acto makes that resembles a #11 blade with teeth on it. Since the frames are laminated of two pieces (one forward, one aft) the glue line is the problem. I'm not sure alcohol is the answer because it can weaken the joint above and below the cut. I thought about filing out the waste area but that's time consuming, tedious, and I'm not sure I could get it exact or even close. There's only 3 more gunports which are in the aft cant framing. So I'll muddle along using the current process. I still will have to file/sand out the sides of each port a bit more.. but that's not bad. Bindy and NMBROOK 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Dan Vadas Posted July 11, 2014 #365 Posted July 11, 2014 Hi Mark, To cut out my ports I used a Razor Saw which I'd ground a section about 50mm long off the end until it was only a couple of millimetres wide. This lets me get into some really tight places . Danny mtaylor, WackoWolf, Kevin and 2 others 5 Quote Cheers, Danny ________________________________________________________________________________ Current Build : Forced Retirement from Modelling due to Health Issues Build Logs : Norfolk Sloop HMS Vulture - (TFFM) HMS Vulture Cross-section 18 foot Cutter Concord Stagecoach 18th Century Longboat in a BOTTLE CARD Model Build Logs : Mosel Sydney Opera House (Schreiber-Bogen) WWII Mk. IX Spitfire (Halinski) Rolls Royce Merlin Engine Cape Byron Lighthouse (HMV) Stug 40 (Halinski) Yamaha MT-01 Yamaha YA-1 HMS Hood (Halinski) Bismarck (GPM) IJN Amatsukaze 1940 Destroyer (Halinski) HMVS Cerberus Mi24D Hind (Halinski) Bulgar Steam Locomotive - (Modelik) Tanker and Beer Wagons (Modelik) Flat Bed Wagon (Modelik) Peterbuilt Semi Trailer Fender Guitar Restorations for Others : King of the Mississippi HMS Victory Gallery : Norfolk Sloop, HMAT Supply, HMS Bounty, HMS Victory, Charles W. Morgan, 18' Cutter for HMS Vulture, HMS Vulture, HMS Vulture Cross-section, 18th Century Longboat in a Bottle Other Previous Builds : Le Mirage, Norske Love, King of the Mississippi
src Posted July 11, 2014 #366 Posted July 11, 2014 Mark, if I recall correctly when you layed up the frames you turned the grain slightly, I can see where that would stop you from making a cut top and bottom then just "breaking" along the grain. Could you make lots of little saw cuts an nibble away with a small chisel? There is a name for the technique but its eluding me at the moment. That might help cut the parts out without breaking? Sam mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise
cabrapente Posted July 12, 2014 #367 Posted July 12, 2014 Thanks Rusty and Grant. I'm firm believer in Murphy and "crap happens" so being prepared for re-do's and do-over's and repairs is part of the building process. David and Sam, Saw blades in abundance, I have. My current favorite for this work is the one that X-acto makes that resembles a #11 blade with teeth on it. Since the frames are laminated of two pieces (one forward, one aft) the glue line is the problem. I'm not sure alcohol is the answer because it can weaken the joint above and below the cut. I thought about filing out the waste area but that's time consuming, tedious, and I'm not sure I could get it exact or even close. There's only 3 more gunports which are in the aft cant framing. So I'll muddle along using the current process. I still will have to file/sand out the sides of each port a bit more.. but that's not bad. hello Mtailor. I always thought Murphy lived very near my house. je je je mtaylor 1 Quote
dgbot Posted July 12, 2014 #368 Posted July 12, 2014 Murphy is everywhere at all times. And his law is all powerful. David B mtaylor, Omega1234, Bindy and 1 other 4 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
Sjors Posted July 13, 2014 #369 Posted July 13, 2014 Mark, I think I have to go on a vacation again ! When I come back, there is an update !!!!!!!! Looks....crowdy But nice.... mtaylor 1 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre
mtaylor Posted July 15, 2014 Author #370 Posted July 15, 2014 Thanks for looking in and commenting Danny, Sam, Cabrapente, David, and Sjors. Murphy apparently took a few days off (thank heavens) as things went well. Sam, if I remember, I'll do a quick photo essay when I cut the next gunport which will be later in the week. I got the hull (what there is of it so far) faired out close. It will still need work but that will come after the cant frames which is the next project. There's still some low spots and high spots but overall, pretty close. I also reshaped/reworked the rabbet so the planking will set right. It was tedious and had me sweating blood but worth every second of it. The keel has glued on and sits square and level with everything. newbuilder101, popeye the sailor, KentM and 39 others 42 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
SawdustDave Posted July 15, 2014 #371 Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) Mark....happens to the best. As for me (not even close to being among the best) re-doing my mistakes seems to have become a way of life lately. "That which does not kill us makes us stronger".....Friedrich Nietzsche....Must have been a very good modeler. Dave Edited July 15, 2014 by SawdustDave mtaylor, Jack Panzeca, pete48 and 2 others 5 Quote Sawdust Dave - Current build - USS Constitution 1:60th (scratch).... Visit my blog site - All previous builds.... http://davesmodelships.blogspot.com
Landlubber Mike Posted July 15, 2014 #372 Posted July 15, 2014 Very nice work Mark. This is going to be a beauty Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
MEDDO Posted July 15, 2014 #373 Posted July 15, 2014 Mark, very nice progress. mtaylor 1 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL
michael mott Posted July 15, 2014 #374 Posted July 15, 2014 She is looking very good Mark, so now you ar ready to tackle the challenging frames. Michael mtaylor 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
mij Posted July 15, 2014 #375 Posted July 15, 2014 Hi Mark She`s coming along, and she`s looking good. Kind Regards mij mtaylor 1 Quote xebec 1:60 scale, scratch build
WackoWolf Posted July 15, 2014 #376 Posted July 15, 2014 Mark, A little at a time is working for you. Screw the sweat, in the long run it is lest re-work. Who cares how long it takes. Your doing an excellent job and learning and having a good time, isn't this suppose to be a hobby. Keep the pictures coming, and Thank you for sharing this with us. mtaylor 1 Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :)
alangr4 Posted July 15, 2014 #377 Posted July 15, 2014 Mark Licorne is coming along nicely. Well done. The piece of ebony for the false keel will look terrific when finished. Will you be using ebony for the wales? Alan mtaylor 1 Quote
Trussben Posted July 15, 2014 #378 Posted July 15, 2014 SWEET! :D ben mtaylor 1 Quote Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
Piet Posted July 15, 2014 #379 Posted July 15, 2014 She's looking fantastic Mark!! Cheers, mtaylor 1 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum)
gjdale Posted July 16, 2014 #380 Posted July 16, 2014 Looking very nice Mark. Can't wait to see the cant frames in place. Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout
Erebus and Terror Posted July 16, 2014 #381 Posted July 16, 2014 Looking great, Mark - you are making progress now! mtaylor 1 Quote Building Terror Blog
popeye the sailor Posted July 16, 2014 #382 Posted July 16, 2014 been out of the loop for a bit.........sad to have heard that you were having trouble with the gun ports, but I see you have that well in hand now! she's looking really good.......time well spent, in my view! very nicely done mtaylor 1 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch
mtaylor Posted July 17, 2014 Author #383 Posted July 17, 2014 Thanks for the likes and comments. Didn't get much done yesterday or today. Yesterday had the heatpump and all the ducting in the house cleaned and serviced. The temp hit 104 degrees F, and it was just too hot until the A/C finally got everything cooled down. Today was rib day with homemade Jerk Sauce. After marinating and slow cooking on the grille, I'm in heaven. Ok.. so this doesn't turn into Facebook... She is looking very good Mark, so now you ar ready to tackle the challenging frames. Michael Indeed, but I'm wimping out and doing the aft frames first. They're not as challenging. Mark, A little at a time is working for you. Screw the sweat, in the long run it is lest re-work. Who cares how long it takes. Your doing an excellent job and learning and having a good time, isn't this suppose to be a hobby. Keep the pictures coming, and Thank you for sharing this with us. My thinking exactly, Joe. I might sweat while doing it, but at the end of the day, it feels good. Mark Licorne is coming along nicely. Well done. The piece of ebony for the false keel will look terrific when finished. Will you be using ebony for the wales? Alan I'll be using ebony for the top rails, channel wale and the upper most piece of the main wales, Alan. The mains blend into the planking. So they aren't distinct. Here's a pic showing the cross section. Ignore the arrow as the pic is from another discussion. Looking very nice Mark. Can't wait to see the cant frames in place. I can't wait for the cants, either, Grant. But I'm being cautious on this build. I don't want to do a Ver 3.0. been out of the loop for a bit.........sad to have heard that you were having trouble with the gun ports, but I see you have that well in hand now! she's looking really good.......time well spent, in my view! very nicely done It's just the materials and the size, Popeye. I'm learning.... ever so slowly.. but still learning. src, Mike Y and alangr4 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
pete48 Posted July 17, 2014 #384 Posted July 17, 2014 She's looking good Mark , nice work Best Regards, Pete mtaylor 1 Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
mtaylor Posted July 18, 2014 Author #385 Posted July 18, 2014 I mentioned above about how I cut gunports. So here's how I do it. I make no guarantees that it's the best way but it works for me. First up is a laminated frame blank (I'm using a half frame as the full frames are done). I then rubber cement the frame plan to it and carefully cut it out. I fit the frame into position and check all the reference points both against the plans and in situ using the EdT tool. After that, the reference points are etched using the scroll saw and the frame cuts are made with the saw pictured. I soak the joint in 91% isopropyl and wrap in a scarp of paper towel which is also soaked in the isopropyl. The joint is then wrapped in plastic wrap and secured at each end with clothes pins (pegs) so as not let the whole frame separate. After doing something else for about a half an hour, I grab the frame with pliers and piece to be removed with a pair of cutters. A slight pull and the piece comes out, usually cleanly. At this point, the frame is glued into place, space blocks added between the newly installed frame and the existing frame, everything clamped and the glue allowed to cure. After curing, I double check all reference points, just in case.... I hope this helps someone. egkb, archjofo, SkerryAmp and 28 others 31 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Kevin Posted July 18, 2014 #386 Posted July 18, 2014 i love being part of the MSW community again and catching up on everyone's logs again, mark this looks brilliant, well done mtaylor 1 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat
src Posted July 19, 2014 #387 Posted July 19, 2014 Mark, Now it makes sense, nicely done. Are the cut outs always 1/2 of the frame thickness? Sam mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise
Piet Posted July 19, 2014 #388 Posted July 19, 2014 Very nifty Mark. I made a not of it, just in case - - - Cheers, mtaylor 1 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum)
mtaylor Posted July 19, 2014 Author #389 Posted July 19, 2014 Thanks for the "likes" and comments. Sam, On Licorne, they are 1/2 the frame thickness. Other ships... not going to vouch for them. I have some other Hahn plans which when I dig them out of the dark recesses of my storage area, I'll check. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
pete48 Posted July 19, 2014 #390 Posted July 19, 2014 Wow Mark, Incredible workmanship . Thanks for showing how you did it " Amazing " Best Regards, Pete mtaylor 1 Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
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