popeye the sailor Posted April 18, 2017 Share #2431 Posted April 18, 2017 I'm thinking that you haven't painted them........just the color of the wood that's throwing you off. John has a cool head.....if it looks good Mark, leave it Omega1234, Eddie, Sjors and 6 others 9 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share #2432 Posted April 19, 2017 Well... slept on it... no beer....<sigh> I've ripped off the holly and cut some swiss pear. Once things are cleaned up a pit, I'll commence planking again. I only had two strakes down so no big loss. 16 hours ago, cog said: Clear head ... maybe better to refrain from the beer ... Just a few questions to get things clear to me: Why should the holly be removed? Is it imperative to paint ... (to paint or not to paint) Does the colour of the wood define the colour it would have been washed/painted Enjoy your beer Cheers I'm not painting, Carl except with the natural color of the wood. Holly would work for American or British but not the French as they didn't use whitewash. 13 hours ago, Canute said: How visible is the finished area? Main decks (very visible), I'll bet you redo with appropriate woods. Lower down, probably leave it. But, like Patrick said, wait for that clear head before you do anything. Hope that beer was good and you let your problem cogitate in the ol brain juices. However you decide will be the correct one. Semi-visible, Ken. There's a large open area in the middle of the ship where this area would be visiable. Salty Sea Dog, cog, Omega1234 and 12 others 15 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted April 19, 2017 Share #2433 Posted April 19, 2017 Good choice Mark, you will be much happier when its done. Sam Eddie, EJ_L, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted April 19, 2017 Share #2434 Posted April 19, 2017 A brave move, Mark - but it's no good leaving it if you're not completely happy. John Piet, mtaylor, Eddie and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted April 19, 2017 Share #2435 Posted April 19, 2017 Just when you thought...... you always resolve these things Mark so I am sure will resolve this one. As COG says - your model but my thoughts... Leave the holly in-situ and if the colour is off for your needs simply stain it with a dye/ink/wood stain (not paint it) as this will still look like natural timber as dyes/some stains tend to penetrate and not cover the grain of the wood? A light dye/stain of the right colour (experiment off model) may resolve it for the planks in place on the bulwarks, and you can dye the others off the model for future stuff. Sorry, hopefully not motherhood statements.... not intended if so. cheers Pat cog, Canute, Omega1234 and 7 others 10 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted April 19, 2017 Share #2436 Posted April 19, 2017 Mark, Explain to me, please, what has holly got to do with white wash ... Cheers EJ_L, Eddie, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Allen Posted April 19, 2017 Share #2437 Posted April 19, 2017 16 hours ago, mtaylor said: Clear head ... maybe better to refrain from the beer Mark, I Know you remember when I had to decide to redo all the ratlines on the Vic. I had several toddies wrote down pluses and negatives. With a clear head the next day I did the same. Was no help! But the old adage if the shoe fits wear it, well it didn't and I grabbed the scissors and cut. Made the right decision I would not have been satisfied leaving it. If it does not feel right change it then have the good luck your the master. Omega1234, vossiewulf, EJ_L and 7 others 10 Quote John Allen Current builds HMS Victory-Mamoli On deck USS Tecumseh, CSS Hunley scratch build, Double hull Polynesian canoe (Holakea) scratch build Finished Waka Taua Maori War Canoe, Armed Launch-Panart, Diligence English Revenue Cutter-Marine Model Co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vossiewulf Posted April 19, 2017 Share #2438 Posted April 19, 2017 2 hours ago, John Allen said: Mark, I Know you remember when I had to decide to redo all the ratlines on the Vic. I had several toddies wrote down pluses and negatives. With a clear head the next day I did the same. Was no help! But the old adage if the shoe fits wear it, well it didn't and I grabbed the scissors and cut. Made the right decision I would not have been satisfied leaving it. If it does not feel right change it then have the good luck your the master. I find the decision process easier than that, I long ago decided that if I think "hmm maybe I should fix that, it's really not as good as I want" then I should just stop and fix it. If it's bubbled up to that point in my mind it's something that will annoy me every time I look at it and disappoint me when I show the result to others so it seems to me the decision is pretty obvious. It may involve a considerable number of profane invectives of course and possibly throwing some of the offending bits around the room once you have them off, but no point in delaying or waffling about it - if you think you maybe should fix it, you should. John Allen, EJ_L, CaptainSteve and 9 others 12 Quote Building HM Cutter Lady Nelson 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted April 20, 2017 Share #2439 Posted April 20, 2017 Hello Mark, I have been mostly quietly following along on your build. I can empathize with your dilemma, even though our types of model are very far apart regarding the era and subject. Resolving the authenticity of a particular methodology for a country's ships is no doubt something that requires a fair amount of research to reach a position that you are comfortable with. It is similar with regards to "original design" As you know I am no chicken when it comes to reworking something or tossing a lot of work because it did not feel right after some time. one only has to wade through my cutter build to see that. In my view there is a great deal more going on behind the scene (eyes) for us than meets the eye. We are engaged in a very complex process when building our models that covers a broad spectrum of decisions, not the least is that it looks right for whatever reason that we each feel is important to us. Probably why we build these things in the first place. The journey is in my view the most important aspect of our work and being satisfied with the results is critical to continuing the build or not. As beautiful and exquisite as the fished results are they are not the most important aspects of our work in my view. Keep up the very fine work you are doing! Michael Salty Sea Dog, gjdale, Hubac's Historian and 13 others 16 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted April 22, 2017 Author Share #2440 Posted April 22, 2017 Thanks for the likes and support. I think it's right thing to do. I'm still on the learning curve or maybe a straight line that vertical? There wasn't much to remove and I'm cutting wood to size and sorting some odds and ends out. Having new glasses to adjust to is slowing me down also. I hope to make progress here soon. On 4/18/2017 at 11:23 PM, BANYAN said: Just when you thought...... you always resolve these things Mark so I am sure will resolve this one. As COG says - your model but my thoughts... Leave the holly in-situ and if the colour is off for your needs simply stain it with a dye/ink/wood stain (not paint it) as this will still look like natural timber as dyes/some stains tend to penetrate and not cover the grain of the wood? A light dye/stain of the right colour (experiment off model) may resolve it for the planks in place on the bulwarks, and you can dye the others off the model for future stuff. Sorry, hopefully not motherhood statements.... not intended if so. cheers Pat Already gone, Pat. I figured that staining that little amount of wood just wasn't worth the hassle. I did consider it, though. On 4/19/2017 at 9:28 AM, cog said: Mark, Explain to me, please, what has holly got to do with white wash ... Cheers Carl, Holly is almost pure white as is whitewash. hexnut, Jack12477, Eddie and 12 others 15 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted June 18, 2017 Author Share #2441 Posted June 18, 2017 Been too long since I updated this... by way of explanation I posted here rather than clutter of my log: egkb, aviaamator, coxswain and 9 others 12 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEDDO Posted June 18, 2017 Share #2442 Posted June 18, 2017 Glad to see you're back. Jack12477, JesseLee, Piet and 9 others 12 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted June 18, 2017 Share #2443 Posted June 18, 2017 Sorry to hear about the problem, Mark - and good to see you back. John popeye the sailor, CaptainSteve, mtaylor and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted June 18, 2017 Share #2444 Posted June 18, 2017 Glad to see you back Mark. Sorry to hear of your health scare and offer my most sincere wishes for a full recovery mate. cheers pat CaptainSteve, Piet, JesseLee and 11 others 14 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ_L Posted June 19, 2017 Share #2445 Posted June 19, 2017 Indeed, sorry to hear of the health problems. Glad you are back with us and best wishes for a speedy and full recovery. Eddie, CaptainSteve, JesseLee and 8 others 11 Quote "A Smooth Sea NEVER made a Skilled Sailor" - John George Hermanson -E.J. Current Builds - Royal Louis - Mamoli Royal Caroline - Panart Completed - Wood - Le Soleil Royal - Sergal - Build Log & Gallery La Couronne - Corel - Build Log & Gallery Rattlesnake - Model Shipways, HMS Bounty - Constructo Plastic - USS Constitution - Revel (twice), Cutty Sark. Unfinished - Plastic - HMS Victory - Heller, Sea Witch. Member : Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vossiewulf Posted June 19, 2017 Share #2446 Posted June 19, 2017 Was thinking about asking because normally I can't post "purple monkey dishwasher" with it being liked by MTaylor 10 minutes later, but I've been only seeing sporadic activity. Hope the recovery continues quickly! Salty Sea Dog, coxswain, popeye the sailor and 11 others 14 Quote Building HM Cutter Lady Nelson 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSteve Posted June 19, 2017 Share #2447 Posted June 19, 2017 Real happy to read that you are over the worst of it, Mark ... now, perhaps, you can get back to entertaining us and building your Licorne. EJ_L, mtaylor, davyboy and 10 others 13 Quote CaptainSteve Current Build: HM Granado Bomb Vessel (Caldercraft) My BathTub: Queen Anne Barge (Syren Ship Models) Log: Queen Anne Barge (an build log) Bounty Launch (Model Shipways) Log: Bounty Launch by CaptainSteve Apostol Felipe (OcCre) HMS Victory (Constructo) Check It Out: The Kit-Basher's Guide to The Galaxy Website: The Life & Boats of CaptainSteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share #2448 Posted June 19, 2017 Thanks guys. So far, I'm able to do just about everything I could before... there's a periodic brain fog but it's disappearing rapidly. I hope to push the envelope this week and test fire the laser and cut some parts. Now if I can just get the love of my life to slow down on her missions... CaptainSteve, Eddie, Gerhardvienna and 24 others 27 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnharv2 Posted June 19, 2017 Share #2449 Posted June 19, 2017 Sorry to hear of your medical issues Mark. I'm glad you're on the mend. Harvey JesseLee, Salty Sea Dog, Omega1234 and 9 others 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted June 19, 2017 Share #2450 Posted June 19, 2017 Hey howya goin Mark mate, good health to you mate, now get back to making the ship . Canute, Cathead, EJ_L and 8 others 11 Quote I'm probably not going to live long enough to build all these but I'm BLOODY going to try HAHAHA. Future Builds: The Schooner Bluenose, scale 1:48, POF Scratch Build (Gene Bodnar practicum - Plans from modelshipbuilder.com) HMS Victory, scale 1:64 or 1:48, POF Scratch Build (John McKay's plans) Current Builds: 42ft Longboat Armed for War 1834, scale 1:36 POF Scratch Build (Plans from A.N.C.R.E.) Galley Washington 1776, scale 1:48, POF Scratch Build (NRG's Plans) Ragusian Carrack, scale 1:59, POB kit (MarisStella) King of the Mississippi, scale 1:80, POB Kit (Artesania Latina) HMS Snake 1797, 18 Gun Sloop of War, scale 1:64, POB Kit (Jotika/CalderCraft) Current Build: Stage Coach 1848, scale 1:10, Kit (Artesania Latina) Shhh don't tell the Admins I'm building this I'll hide it here ^under this line^ so they don't see it HAHAHA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted June 19, 2017 Share #2451 Posted June 19, 2017 Hey Mark Like everyone else, I too was wondering what had happened to you. Sorry about the stroke, but I'm sincerely happy to hear that you're on the mend! Stay well. Cheers Patrick CaptainSteve, Eddie, EJ_L and 10 others 13 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 19, 2017 Share #2452 Posted June 19, 2017 Hmmm, you could set a speed limmit, but once an Admiral is on the run ... Hope to see you make some charcoal soon, Mark mtaylor, CaptainSteve, JesseLee and 8 others 11 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jose_b Posted June 19, 2017 Share #2453 Posted June 19, 2017 Hello Mark. I wish you have a fast recovery and continue delighting us with your frigate. Jack12477, Cathead, JesseLee and 7 others 10 Quote Building Le François: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9952-le-fran%C3%A7ois-by-jose-scale-1-48-1683/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted June 19, 2017 Share #2454 Posted June 19, 2017 Sorry to hear of your health scare Mark, but glad to hear you're on the road to recovery and back in the shipyard. Omega1234, cog, Piet and 8 others 11 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted June 19, 2017 Share #2455 Posted June 19, 2017 Glad to see you back Mark. I wish you a speedy and full recovery and a quick return to building. Bob Piet, popeye the sailor, Canute and 8 others 11 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted June 19, 2017 Share #2456 Posted June 19, 2017 glad your back Mark.....take care of things and get better Salty Sea Dog, Jack12477, Piet and 7 others 10 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikiek Posted June 20, 2017 Share #2457 Posted June 20, 2017 I'm glad you're OK and back in the saddle Mark. It looks like your 'brain fog' days still come out better than my best days. Keep it up. cog, mtaylor, Cathead and 8 others 11 Quote Sail on...... Mike "Dropped a part? Your shoe will always find it before your eyes do" Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lancia Armata 1803 - Panart US Brig Niagara - Model Shipways ; Section Deck Between Gun Bays - Panart ; Arrow American Gunboat - Amati Riva Aquarama - Amati T24 RC Tugboat ; Hispaniola - Megow - Restoration ; Trajta - by Mikiek - Marisstella ; Enterprise 1799 - Constructo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted June 21, 2017 Share #2458 Posted June 21, 2017 It is a big relief that you are back in the game! Hope it would be a speedy recovery! Piet, cog, mtaylor and 6 others 9 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angarfather Posted June 21, 2017 Share #2459 Posted June 21, 2017 Sorry to hear about the health problems, Mark - and good to see you back. best regards Hartmut Omega1234, Cathead, cog and 6 others 9 Quote on the : Staatenjacht Utrech At last finished: Gianna a Pinco Genovese HMS Agamemnon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted June 24, 2017 Share #2460 Posted June 24, 2017 Welcome back Mark. Great to hear your and the wife are on the mend. Sam Canute, mtaylor, JesseLee and 4 others 7 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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